I agree with that. I wouldn´t start either Schurrle or Salah in front of Markovic but i can understand Mourinho´s reasoning. Markovic also isn´t that good at back tracking and defending and with Hazard in the team it would probably bring some unbalance to the typical Mourinho team.
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I agree with that. I wouldn´t start either Schurrle or Salah in front of Markovic but i can understand Mourinho´s reasoning. Markovic also isn´t that good at back tracking and defending and with Hazard in the team it would probably bring some unbalance to the typical Mourinho team.
I don't know. I think Schürrle is better than Markovic right now and offers more. Pace, power, scores goals, and tracks back well and helps out in defense.
Think he'll be the best of Liverpool's new signings unless they pull off Sanchez which is looking unlikely.
What? Pace? No way. Markovic is quicker and has more pace than Schurrle. It isn´t even up for debate. I assume you haven´t watched that much from Markovic.
Offers more as in more dimensions to his game. Wasn't saying he has more pace.
I've seen quite a bit of Markovic. Again, he's a nice player with bags of potential but he isn't a top class player yet. Liverpool are probably the only one of the top 4-5 sides in the league he'd start regularly for. He's not as good as any of the other clubs' wide options.
You lot really do lap that shit up, don't you?!
A German guy signs for you and the first thing he does is donate to a local children's hospice.
Now I realise I'm a very cynical person but come on, he might as
well have given all the fans £20 each to like him and have done with it.
Are you considering United in that 4-5 top sides in the league? If you are he would definitely be useful for you lot. I would argue with your assessment but the best way to prove my point is to wait and watch how he does for Liverpool. I´m not one to overrate players from our rivals but Markovic was very good last year specially in the big matches (unfortunately against us
). Has potencial to become world class (not fan of the label but helps the point).Yes, I'm including us. As you say, he'd certainly get games for us but I still think we'll be bringing in a big player to play there.Are you considering United in that 4-5 top sides in the league? If you are he would definitely be useful for you lot. I would argue with your assessment but the best way to prove my point is to wait and watch how he does for Liverpool. I´m not one to overrate players from our rivals but Markovic was very good last year specially in the big matches (unfortunately against us
If he does realize his massive potential then he won't be at Liverpool long.
I'm always happy to see a charity receive.
Doesn't mean I can't cringe at the circumstances of it.
"If you want Liverpool fans to froth over you, give some money to charity, doesn't matter how shit you are from then on in, you'll be a top la and they'll fight till the death for you".
Like I said, don't be such a bell.
He should have done it on the quiet like most footballers do.
He wasn't the one that announced it.
Markovic will be an excellent signing. Not sure about the Belgian lad as hard to judge from a few games. I guess Liverpool will now focus on there defence after they complete these signings, they need too anyways.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calc...-for-origi-but-liverpool-remains-in-the-lead/
Bit of a weird one. Still seems as if he'll be off to the scousers, mind.
Bit of a weird one. Still seems as if he'll be off to the scousers, mind.
BBC and almost everywhere else saying it's almost done so I'm not worried.
If I was Rodgers and Cavani seriously wants out of PSG I'd make enquiries.
He needs to sign someone top drawer to replace Suarez. I look at the rumoured signings as a United fan, and none worry me. They have some quality going forward in Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge. Hendersons good but Gerrard is swiftly declining and needs replaced.
Use the 75m on a striker and midfielder.
He needs to sign someone top drawer to replace Suarez. I look at the rumoured signings as a United fan, and none worry me. They have some quality going forward in Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge. Hendersons good but Gerrard is swiftly declining and needs replaced.
Use the 75m on a striker and midfielder.
So Markovich, never has a player reminded me of Aquilani so much, that's purely based on his hair though.
Liverpool are clearly buying so many because Suarez is off. Adam Lallana is the only quality player they have signed IMO. You can buy 7 or 8 players like Spurs last Summer but it doesn't mean progress. If you lose your best player you need quality replacements. Sanchez would have been a player that would improve Liverpool. It remains to be seen where Sanchez is going? Lambert and Divock Origi are not going to cut it in the Champions League. Liverpool need to buy some quality defenders IMO to really improve. You are better signing 4 quality players rather than than 7 average ones. Emre Can, Divock Origi, Ricky Lambert and Markovic aren't good enough to push for a title. The league will be a lot tougher than last year. Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and United will be stronger. It remains to be seen but Liverpool are currently buying players outside top 4 standard IMO. Rodgers is a good manager and maybe he can develop them into great players. Liverpool could get a rude awakening this season if Suarez isn't properly replaced.
We'd be buying 7 players (Origi will be out on loan so 6) even if Suarez stayed. He's going to leave though, so we'll sign 7.
I think they will see just how hard it is when the best player leaves. Same thing happened to us when Ronaldo left, when Bale left Spurs, it just takes time.
How good/bad is Markovic? He's had a lot of hype the last year but can't say I've ever watched him play.
So is Sturridge now the main man that'll shoulder the goal scoring load or what? Lambert isn't going to score 20+ league goals.
I would make him the main centre forward and bring in someone like Sanchez or Griezmann who will also score 15-20 goals from a wide position. Sterling I think will improve too and score even more.
Sturridge the main striker. Sterling, Markovic, Some other new signing to assist with that.
Lambert will be backup to Sturridge.
But yes, we'll be needing more goals throughout the side to compensate. That much is obvious.
Assume BBC are correct:
- £40m for Lambert, Lallana, Can
- £35m for Origi and Markovic
That equals £75m and probably the Suarez money alone.
£60m remains, after Lovren they will have £40m possibly a little less.
£40m to spend.
The squad depth is will be there without a doubt, this is important to absorb injuries and compete on all fronts. I think very few of the players signed would start for a Chelsea or Manchester City therefore the quality is not so much.
Liverpool, in order to get top four, must hope Rodgers can do a Klopp or Simeone and build a team (like he did last season) where the whole is considerably greater than the sum of its parts.
But even then, the premier league is incredibly competitive.
Wenger is a specialist in scraping top four.
Chelsea and City very strong indeed.
And Louis van Gaal will also look to build a team where the whole is considerably greater than the sum of its parts but with better players.
This will be an epic season, I bet Rodgers can't wait. No doubt he is up to the challenge, to get fourth you must mount a serious title challenge, I'd be looking at 82 points.
Louis van Gaal is a slow starter because it takes his sides a while to grasp his ideas but he then finishes strongly. United must ensure even if they don't quite get the system down immediately that they get the 3 points in games in the first half of the season.
- £40m for Lambert, Lallana, Can
- £35m for Origi and Markovic
That equals £75m and probably the Suarez money alone.
£60m remains, after Lovren they will have £40m possibly a little less.
£40m to spend.
The squad depth is will be there without a doubt, this is important to absorb injuries and compete on all fronts. I think very few of the players signed would start for a Chelsea or Manchester City therefore the quality is not so much.
Liverpool, in order to get top four, must hope Rodgers can do a Klopp or Simeone and build a team (like he did last season) where the whole is considerably greater than the sum of its parts.
But even then, the premier league is incredibly competitive.
Wenger is a specialist in scraping top four.
Chelsea and City very strong indeed.
And Louis van Gaal will also look to build a team where the whole is considerably greater than the sum of its parts but with better players.
This will be an epic season, I bet Rodgers can't wait. No doubt he is up to the challenge, to get fourth you must mount a serious title challenge, I'd be looking at 82 points.
Louis van Gaal is a slow starter because it takes his sides a while to grasp his ideas but he then finishes strongly. United must ensure even if they don't quite get the system down immediately that they get the 3 points in games in the first half of the season.
If United have a slow start they won't get top four. Your start reads like a championship schedule. You have to pick up points from those games.
Not really, our key time is January to March. Like Liverpool last season, with no Europe we'll have played 6 less games than the others & will more or less have a Saturday to Saturday schedule from that point onwards. With no Europe to return to we'll most likely have settled on a Plan A and be playing our strongest team every week. We have a run of fixtures against mid-table or lower teams for the whole of January & February. That's the time we need to be aiming for 8 straight wins over a 2 month period.
Meanwhile you guys, Arsenal, City & Chelsea all play each other, and/or play teams like Everton and Spurs. Liverpool have a particularly tricky February for instance, including games vs Everton, Spurs & City, and (if you avoid finishing bottom of your CL group) you'll have either a CL or Europe League home & away tie chucked in there (subject to fixture juggling of course).
Obviously a strong of losses in those few games will kill us off, but more important than wins are for LVG and the squad to figure each other out.
I'd be very surprised to see Liverpool spend £135m on 9+ player's. Much more likely I'd say is 100m on maybe 7. If all of the bolded do go through I'd expect maybe Bertrand at £5m and another attacking midfielder around the £20m mark. If Lovren goes through at £15-16m I'd expect a Zaha-type signing.
I have to say I'm thrilled at their business so far this Summer. They seem to be going by Spurs' belief that several middle of the road player's can make up for one superstar. I'd be far more worried if they replaced Suarez with Cavani (£40m) and Sanchez (£35m) for instance, rather than potentially Lallana (£25m), Markovic (£20m), Lovren (£15m) and Can (£10m).
Yeah, that's my feeling too. Every couple of days this summer I see Liverpool on the verge of signing someone for £25M and think 'urgh'. Then I see who it is and think 'ooh'.
There is a difference with Spurs last year in that they really needed a bigger squad. They have at least sorted out a problem they needed to sort. But at the end of a day it still leaves Sturridge or Sterling as their best player. I just dont think that's enough to trouble the top of the table.
All good signings by Liverpool except potentially Lovren who I think is overrated and well overpriced at 20m. Never seen Markovic so going on reputation there.
If United have a slow start (probably because the team struggle to grasp Louis van Gaal's methods) they will fall behind.
But why stop there?
If Chelsea don't perform better against the weaker sides, if they don't break them down better yet fail to perform ridiculously well in the big games, those dropped two points here and there will see them fall behind.
If City don't perform better away from home yet don't replicate their incredible home performances of last season, those dropped points here and there will see them fall behind.
If Arsenal don't sustain their good performances for the duration of the season, that drop in form could cause them to fall behind.
If Liverpool don't match their form of last season, if they don't react to the fact teams will treat them differently, if their many new players don't immediately gel, if their intensity cannot be sustained from a mid-week champions league game to the weekend premier league, if they do not cope without Suarez' magic, if Rodgers' attempt to create a world class team from not so world class players doesn't work this coming season, if he gets it even slightly wrong the opponents will punish them and those dropped points here and there will see them fall behind.
It's not just United fans that must worry this coming season. Even Chelsea and City have areas they must improve, and along with Liverpool and Arsenal, nobody is safe.
I for one am very grateful for the lack of champions league football, we will benefit immensely from the extra time on the training ground thus increasing our chances to grasp Louis' ideas and implement his instructions to the letter.
I agree that they need a much bigger squad and I suppose it would always be difficult to get the likes of Cavani and Sanchez, whilst also adding 6-7 player's, I just think the signing of for instance Lallana is a bit bizarre. You are looking at a 26 year old who has played less than 70 games at the top level, coming off the back of his first impressive season as a Footballer, buying him for a few million less than Fabregas. I think they would have been better off adding 4-5 squad player's at around £10m and then 2 big signings such as Sanchez and Cavani, rather than the likes of Markovic/Lallana for £50m. If I were a Liverpool fan seeing the likes of Valbuena linked with a move to Valencia for £5m - £20m less than Lallana and I'd be wondering why on Earth we weren't in for him instead.
I also don't understand why they aren't looking to bring in some proven quality central defenders. The best way to replace a player like Suarez in my opinion is not to find a player who can contribute to 50 odd goals as Suarez does, because that player would never go to Liverpool. The best way would be to find someone who could contribute to 25-30 and a few player's who could mean they concede 20 less. There is a very real possibility to them going into the season with the following defensively minded players: Bertrand, Lovren, Agger, Skrtel, Gerrard, Lucas, Flanagan, Johnson, Enrique, Sakho, Kelly, Toure. To me that would be laughable. I'd be earmarking at least 65-75% of the Suarez cash to completely re-vamp their defence.
I'm also very underwhelmed by Lovren, I don't understand why Liverpool fans are getting so excited by that transfer. If they line up with Lovren-Sakho, it's a recipe for disaster. Should be fun though.
Lovren is a decent player, back up at best.
I don't quite understand why anyone rates Sakho. He's invaribly shite whenever I see him play. Poor touch and less said the better about the weight of his passing. Maybe I only watch him on his bad days.
I wouldn't get Cavani to replace Suarez, such a different type of player. Cavani and Sturridge wouldn't work that well. Better to get a more versatile allround forward with some pace and dribbling skills.
If there's anything I'd say Cavani is its versatile and well rounded. He can play off either side, presses very well and tracks back like few other forwards can.
Yeah, he can play there, but he's not great there in my opinion. Just another striker played out on the wing without having any raw pace or real dribbling skills. To me he's a center forward more than anything, wouldn't buy him unless it's for that position. He's nowhere near as versatile as Suarez. Cavani is more a finisher than a creative player, Suarez is both.
Lovren isn't shit, but their defence is so bad I think they really need a top notch signing. Not a 'meh-decent' guy.
Sakho is pretty inconsistent and has the touch of a rapist at times. It's really hard to say how he's going to develop, he can be brilliant as he has been now and again for France (though painting him as greatly consistent for France would be slightly wrong), but he is prone to rashness and has been for years now, without it seemingly decreasing. I guess he might end up being a decent CB with some high profile mistakes cos he has them in him. I don't think a pairing of Lovren and Sakho is suited though.
A defensive pair only gets better with time and changing out your CB's doesn't do well for any team. It's better to stick with two players and allow them to form a formidable partnership. Vidic and Ferdinand didn't become a good pairing overnight or in one season.
The big problem with replacing Suarez is that we're losing a playmaker, winger and goalscorer all in one.
So what type is going to take his place in the first XI?
I am thinking some sort of creative player with a decent amount of goals in him.