Well, if I was Liverpool I'd do anything to get Alexis Sanchez included in that deal with Suarez going the other way.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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Well, if I was Liverpool I'd do anything to get Alexis Sanchez included in that deal with Suarez going the other way.
Of course. Though a good pairing doesn't just get better with time, it gets better if there's predispositions that they'll function well together. I don't believe that's the case for Lovren and Sakho, that's all I'm saying.
Would've thought you'd had been in for someone like Firmino if that's what you want, he'd have more of an impact than Lallana for you I reckon and I doubt he'd have cost £25m.
To be honest they've gone in so readily to negotiate with Barca that there's no real turning back now. i doubt they could call the whole thing off if they don't get Sanchez. That was the only advantage they had in trying to grab him.
Which means to all intents and purposes they're just bidding for him on the open market. And I doubt they will be able to match the transfer fee and salary that others are offering. If I were Sanchez too I'd be looking at my team mates and the likelihood of winning something and wouldn't put Liverpool at the front of that queue either.
They have? Are you privy to the terms Liverpool are laying out, then?
Dont be facetious. And don't go down the road of "oh well Liverpool have made no official quote so we dont know anything is happening". That stuffs tired.
If what we read is true and Liverpool are in negotiations with Barca, then the rest is self evident.
You're making assumptions based on a few pieces of information. You said Liverpool had "gone in so readily to negotiate" implying that this weakened their hand when the reality is we don't know what's being negotiated or the tone of the negotiations.
You're leaping to judgements without evidence (certainly not self-evident).
How do you know Liverpool were "so ready" to negotiate? This could have been rumbling since Suarez signed a new contract, meaning Liverpool deliberately strengthened their hand quite considerably in anticipation of a summer assault from Spain. How do you know what Liverpool's minimum is in terms of a bid?
As far as I can tell (which is based on what everybody else knows) these negotiations are being slowed by Liverpool's insistence that they either get Sanchez + cash or that Barca stump up the release clause. I'd say that's a pretty strong negotiating position.
I think there's loads left to determine on this. For one, juve and arsenal seem to be putting in rather skint bids.
What we should be doing is pricing Suarez highly and Sanchez equally highly, effectively pricing out our competitors from matching bids.
Even without that, I'd say it more looks like Arsenal and juve aren't as willing to go high as we are. Whether that is sufficient remains to be seen.
If I were a Liverpool fan (sweet Jeez), I'd be quite happy with how the squad is shaping up. Another CB, LB, and CM would do them nicely. Add a marquee signing on top of that (or retain Suarez) and you've got a really good side heading into the new season. I really like Markovic so I'm assuming he goes on to become a world beater.
Henderson Can/Gerrard
Markovic Countinho/Lallana Sterling
Sturridge/Lambert
If they do get their marquee signing they will potentially have a forward line equally as good as last year's one.Markovic Countinho/Lallana Sterling
Sturridge/Lambert
The gap between Uruguay being knocked out and Liverpool sitting down with Barca was 5 days, and they're the only club involved. Maybe there were talks before the summer who knows. Either way, by doing so they chucked away any sense of competition for his signature.
If Liverpool had two or more clubs knocking on the door for Suarez then Barca could have used Sanchez as leverage to encourage Liverpool to do a deal with them over someone else. They can do a discount on the value of the player that produces a cash+player offer greater than anyone else's cash offer. Suits both parties.
However now Barca are the only ones at the table. That changes things. Assuming Suarez can't stay at this point and with Barca the only ones in the frame, Sanchez's only value is in cash terms. He has no value as a bargaining chip as the deal in principle is already there. If Barca can get more from another club they will do. Why would they now sell him to Liverpool for less than his full market value? The only way the move could happen now is if Liverpool discount the value of their player or over-value Sanchez in the deal, in essence making Barca a better offer than Arsenal, Juve or anyone else.
Of course Liverpool may yet make the biggest bid & make the most attractive offer to the player, in which case they'll get him. Or maybe someone else will come in and shake things up with their own bid for Suarez.
There is no competition for his signature. Only two clubs on the planet are viable and one of them spent their load last summer. It's Barca's turn. As far as I know the buy-out clause is for a non PL team. Liverpool are not interested in selling to an English team (see Arsenal 2013 - £40,000,001). It's Barca or nothing.
As for leverage, Liverpool have what Barca haven't got. Unless Barca meet the buy out Liverpool are not selling.
You have drastically over simplified Liverpool's hand in this deal.
All I see from liverpools summer signings is allot of quantity over quality, I see a summer 2002 pattern about their transfers, with allot of good to average players. Their midfield is going to be weaker with gerrard getting on, so there is no one to control games. Pending on who united sign, I see us finishing comfortably above them
So then, if it's simply players that are the be all, & end all, to a side's chances of success. Why did the same players that romped home to the title in 2012 perform so poorly last year ?
I know we are all biased in our own way, maybe blinkered. But that list actually makes me smile. Maybe, they will form a good team, but player by player, I sure don't see anything to be excited about. Add a pretty suspect back line and I do think they are going to have a very difficult season.
The prospect of maybe Markovic/Coutinho/Lallana/Sterling makes me smile too.
keep smiling.
Did you copy and paste that from one of the several hundred posts on here that described Liverpool last summer.
As I said we can all be blinkered. You guys as well.
If it makes you happy, you think you are stronger than last year and you think that you will do well, good on you. I don't and am quite looking forward to the season.
They'll have a good squad next year no doubt, plenty of decent players but no real standout star, Suarez is utterly irreplaceable much like Ronaldo was to us, and Bale was to Spurs.
Rodgers could easily be found out in Europe, not only with his gun-ho approach, but also with the way he juggles his squad, something he just didn't have to worry about last year, add to that LvG will have them sussed in three seconds flat, Wenger is actually going to spend some money, and Mourinho is putting together a quality squad, take Suarez away, add in the extra games, then they could well struggle in PL too.
Rodgers could easily be found out in Europe, not only with his gun-ho approach, but also with the way he juggles his squad, something he just didn't have to worry about last year, add to that LvG will have them sussed in three seconds flat, Wenger is actually going to spend some money, and Mourinho is putting together a quality squad, take Suarez away, add in the extra games, then they could well struggle in PL too.
Gerrard will certainly have to be protected in midfield far better in Europe than he is in the Premier League. In the PL that stance and commitment to attack can come off, as their forward line can be expected to score more than most of the other teams, but in Europe that philosophy and quality of sides is different that it can be their undoing.
I think their defence is made to look inferior than it actually is when they have Gerrard as the last line of defence in midfield and the likes of Henderson and Coutinho doing his legwork further forward to compensate for his limitations. Italy and Juventus have a similar set-up, but Pirlo is a much better player than Gerrard and they have superior personnel to support and protect him.
It'll be very interesting. Adding squad players was the most important thing for Liverpool - prior to Suarez's imminent and inevitable departure - considering they only used 14-15 players with regularity last season. In that respect they have and will have added sufficient bodies to the squad, but they will still severely feel the loss of Suarez whoever they sign.
Aye certainly they will find Europe a stern test, and the reality is that they just might not tick as well as they did last season without Suarez in the PL too, feeling you will always outscore your opponent no matter how many they score is a dangerous game to play, even more so without Suarez.
If i was them i'd be doing all I could to keep him, better him than 3-4 decent squad players IMO, especially if they can't get Sanchez as part of the deal. But I suppose a realease clause takes it out of their hands.
Indeed Champions League will be a stern test, but it's where everyone wants to be. I am sure as a club we are relishing the challenge, personally I can't wait even in the knowledge we will get a tough draw.
I think the clause was in the contract to keep it to a degree in our hands, something tells me the club knew someone would come in for him, and in all probability that he would want to go. It gave some protection on the fee.
We won't know how it will go without him, but I think it's way too premature for many on here to write us off already, especially as many did exactly the same last season.
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I know, no way he signed the contract without the caveat of been able to go if Barcelona, or Madrid came in, much as I am United through, and through it is sad the PL is losing another top player to Spain, i'm not going to cry too hard but it is sad all the same, La Liga now has the top three players in the world playing there.
CL is going to be a hell of a pull on the your resources, and given the TV deal money for next season onward, then top 4 this season is going to be huge, so I'm not too disheartened that United have no CL this year, and a free run the PL.
I think Gerrard will find it slightly easier in Europe. Less intensity and more time on the ball.
Yep, there will definitely be a change in system next season as most Liverpool fans on here have even eluded too. Suarez's replacement might not come in the form of a striker either, it might be a star wide player who can play in any three positions behind the main striker such as Shaqiri or Sanchez. I actually expect Rodgers to give Sturridge the opportunity of spearheading their attack next season, so they will have more bodies in midfield and should be more conservative by nature.
Not sure about them holding onto Suarez however. His position at the club has pretty much become untenable following all of his indiscretions and Liverpool simply cannot keep on supporting the player. Not too mention he misses so many games every seasons due to suspension. An incredible player, but now probably is the time to cash in.
I don't think the teams in the CL are anywhere near as hard as people seem to think they are, at least in the first bit of it (and unless you're particularly unlucky).
Depending on the group, I can see Liverpool doing ok in the CL next season.
Depending on the group, I can see Liverpool doing ok in the CL next season.
Depends on who you draw. Dortmund or Bayern for example will be pressing you like crazy.
Really? Try being in a group with Dortmund and Napoli.
Of course. Because most of the 32 teams are at the level of 2nd best team in Germany and the 3rd best team in Italy?
Stick to posting about what you know ie Europa league.
I know that despite being told repeatedly we'd be blitzed out of the Champions league in a whitewash by teams of an incredibly higher standard than we would face in the league, we ended up top fo our group and going out of the quarter finals.
The CL group stages that season involved such giants of the game as Hapoel Tel Aviv, Rangers, Bursapor, CFR Cluj, Braga, Zilina and various other outstanding teams that would likely dominate the English league if we were unlucky enough for them to join it.
all yellow kits are disgusting in my opinion! It's not just yellow..It's a mustard yellow!
Looks like Lucas is off. I'll be disappointed if it's a loan.
Do you think that will mean another midfield acquisition or are Gerrard, Henderson, Can and Allen enough?
Those four and Lallana and Coutinho will be enough.
Di Marzio saying Lucas' loan to Napoli could include an agreement to buy if he plays a certain amount of games. We're about to be fecked over again Aquilani style.
Yeah Europe, it's a piece of piss.
Yep, because that's what I said.
What you said wasn't deserving of proper conversation. You obviously don't watch enough football if that's the conclusion you come to. The pressing in Europe is insane betimes.
Lucas is a shadow of the player since his injury and he is no longer good enough to even be back up at Liverpool.
Sauce?