Indeed.
They've spent a hell of a lot of money on very average players. To qoute myself from another thread, £50 million on the three lads from Southampton
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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Indeed.
They've spent a hell of a lot of money on very average players. To qoute myself from another thread, £50 million on the three lads from Southampton
Liverpool have a solid first team and that's about it. They have very good creative players in Sterling, Coutinho and Lallana but if one of them gets injured or overplayed thanks to their CL campaign who do they look to then? If they are still in all competitions by Jan, they wont make top 4.
You have overpaid on all three yet you guys have the cheek to try and pick apart United's spending during the summer.
Lovren has looked weak all season so far and Lallana looks like he is lagging behind in every department.
Hardly impressive business from what I am seeing so far. I could even mention Lambert but I will save you the embarrassment on that one.
Ah the end of another great European night as I log off from Redcafe and head for bed. Meltdown observed and enjoyed. Thanks folks. 
How can you tell if we've overpaid before they've even played 10 games for us? I think we probably have slightly overpaid for Lallana by £5m or so. I don't think we've overpaid for Lovren considering what other defenders in this and other leagues were going for and Lovren had a very good season.
Lovren has looked ok with a couple of poor moments. Lallana has played 120 minutes and didn't have a preseason.
Gash team won't be near the top 4 without Suarez.
Sorry mate but you have purchased within your limits here, you couldn't get the big players to come so you basically have what 'you' could have.
Lovren has had an influence on every goal against so far, so for me 'shaky' doesn't cut it, he was shaky early on but he's getting worse plus he simply has no quality partner to turn to, couple that with having Mignolet behind you and your looking at a huge problem in a long long season.
Your next 3 fixtures are a bitch and that's before it gets really tough.
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It's harsh to use Lallana's Liverpool's performances as evidence he isn't good enough.
However it isn't harsh to use his Southampton form to see how average he generally is, other than being aesthetic whilst doing it.
However it isn't harsh to use his Southampton form to see how average he generally is, other than being aesthetic whilst doing it.
Ah the end of another great European night as I log off from Redcafe and head for bed. Meltdown observed and enjoyed. Thanks folks.
How can you tell if we've overpaid before they've even played 10 games for us? I think we probably have slightly overpaid for Lallana by £5m or so. I don't think we've overpaid for Lovren considering what other defenders in this and other leagues were going for and Lovren had a very good season.
Lovren has looked ok with a couple of poor moments. Lallana has played 120 minutes and didn't have a preseason.
How can you tell we overpaid for Di Maria and Falcao?
Lovren looks really poor from what I have seen. Not sure what the excuses are for him being so far off the pace but he doesn't look like a 20m pound player in my eyes.
Lallana is overpriced because he is English. He also went to the WC didn't he? Therefore has played football.. You make it sound like he has forgot how to play and needs time to bed in!
I just find it amusing that a high number of Liverpool fans have moaned about United's signings yet all of Liverpool's so far, Balotelli included, have looked pretty uninspiring to me. Nearly 120m and not a Di Maria moment between them! (that's not discrediting Hererra, Blind and Rojo who all looked superb themselves)
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And your Villas, don't forget about your Villas!
At least you have a sense of humour, you fecking wind-up merchant
He couldn't remember a day past last August 2 weeks ago
Now all of a sudden his memories cast him back 5 or so years I can't definitively say that you have.
Settling into a back four consisting of three new signings. He's not looked a £20m player so far, but he's played five games.
He didn't have a preseason because he was injured. Going to the world cup and not getting a kick hardly constitutes a preseason.
Moreno has looked superb since his mistake against City. Manquillo has looked very good when he's played. The rest have been okay, but again, haven't played anywhere near enough to make a proper judgement on them. We've played much harder opposition than you thus far and are in an ok position.
Leave him to have his fun, it'll be all the more sweet at the end of the year if everything fecks up for themHe couldn't remember a day past last August 2 weeks ago
I just find it amusing that almost every single Liverpool fan has been critical of United's spending this summer yet when you look at Liverpool's it hardly looks like 120m well spent. That is only 30m less than United's spend by the way.
We're all writing Liverpool off way too quickly here, guys. Judge them after 10 games or so before we start laughing at them, new signings included.
Apart from Lovren, he can feck off.
Apart from Lovren, he can feck off.
I don't think you've spent £150m (or whatever it was) that well either. I think that will tell in the league table at the end of the season too.
Exactly what I wanted, a win for Liverpool as I want them to get out of the group, more games for them will mean less preparation for a top four challenge. For instance they have West Ham (away) on saturday and not as much time as last year to prepare.
But I want their victories in europe to be hard fought exactly like today especially in a game where they are expected to steam roll the opposition, that's not good for morale that they only scraped through.
I can see both the manager and players being nervous on Saturday as this season there is a lot of pressure on them to perform.
They are clear favourites to beat West Ham but at least this makes it more difficult.
But I want their victories in europe to be hard fought exactly like today especially in a game where they are expected to steam roll the opposition, that's not good for morale that they only scraped through.
I can see both the manager and players being nervous on Saturday as this season there is a lot of pressure on them to perform.
They are clear favourites to beat West Ham but at least this makes it more difficult.
Tonight's game has done far more good than bad. Our new striker has scored his first goal, Lallana has gotten more minutes to get up to speed, we won (which is always good for confidence), we've got a more settled back four, etc.
I don't think you've spent £150m (or whatever it was) that well either. I think that will tell in the league table at the end of the season too.
The criticisms aimed at United's spending have been "you didn't need player X you needed player Y" but my argument is you can't sign player Y if he isn't available.
LvG knows full well our strengths and weaknesses and I fully expect he will continue to address these in the coming months.
As for our current business?
Shaw looks a good young player in a difficult position to fill. Premier league proven.
Rojo had a very good world cup and a solid debut for United. A centre half, which we needed, and the ability to play full back.
Hererra looks like the type of player we have needed in the middle of the pitch for sometime, an upgrade on Cleverley/Fletcher/Anderson no doubt.
Blind I know less about but another who had a decent world cup and promising debut at United in the PL in another position we have struggled to fill.
Di Maria is a fantastic player and great addition to the squad in a position we have needed to improve upon since Ronaldo departed. Looks superb also.
Falcao is another top player who hasn't really featured yet. Loan signing but one you'd be mad not to take up.
Obviously we both don't know who was available and who wasn't but when you consider we have signed two defenders, two central midfielders a winger and a striker I think it is unfair to say we could have spent the money better in other areas. The quality of player we have brought in looks far more than that of Liverpool currently. Real international pedigree all round.
Keep telling yourself that.
Last season you kept saying no european football was doing more good than bad. Now you decide to switch your opinion lol
It's clear as daylight these new signings would benefit from more time on the training ground, being better prepared for games and learning the system. You guys have looked shaky at the back and Big Sam will try to exploit it, playing European football won't help what appears to be a major concern (defence).
That needs to be addressed by coaching.
Also, you won by scraping through against a team you were expected to steam roll. The players have been given a reality check, that's not good for morale because there is a realisation West Ham will pose an even bigger test yet you guys are nowhere near the level you want to be. Nerves will begin to replace confidence.
Everybody has work to do including City and Chelsea (despite their great start) but Liverpool don't look to be too much better off than United at the moment. And United will be working hard on the training ground whilst Liverpool rest from a tough champions league game.
As things stand Liverpool are in a race for top four, not a title challenge as you suggested prior to the start of the season.
Where have I switched opinions?
I recall last season you stating your lack of European football facilitated the strong performances.
My prediction is they will scrap through the group stages as runners up, get Barcelona, Bayern, etc. in last 16, and proceed to crash out.
They struggled to beat the worst team in the competition at home, I thought they'd comfortably reach the quarters because of Anfield, but they won't do much at all based on tonight.
Hopefully they come third and go into the Europa League. Basle are a half-decent side, so it's a possibility, but the more games they play, the better. It should effect their league form and preparation having a constantly busy schedule, so I welcome their progression to the knockouts.
And I thought only Moyes was capable of calling such a night with that kind of home result against such a mighty team "great"!Ah the end of another great European night as I log off from Redcafe and head for bed. Meltdown observed and enjoyed. Thanks folks.
Their atmosphere tonight was shite anyway.
To be fair to Moyes, which is not a stance I take lightly, even he was talking about kroos, Cavani and fabregas, although I accept wishing to get and actually getting are two very different propositions
I was surprised to be honest, the performance certainly didn't help.
hope the scousers qualify for the Europa Cup.
They certainly don't look £120m better off than last year. They look worse, in fact. They look like they've lost their best player and gained absolutely nothing in return.
Mignolet is just awful. Never rated him at all. Is this Valdes move happening? If I was a 'pool supporter I'd want him there ASAP. He might not be at his best anymore but he'd probably be better than Mignolet. I rated Lovren but he looks all over the place defensively...needs to just snap himself out of it. Oh, Coutinho looked awful too. What's his deal? Looked amazing in pre-season and then average, if not worse than average.
Definitely think if we can fix our attack up and have them playing like they did against QPR we can beat Liverpool this season. Without Suarez (and Sturridge injured) they won't be scoring a lot, but they will still be conceding a few.
Definitely think if we can fix our attack up and have them playing like they did against QPR we can beat Liverpool this season. Without Suarez (and Sturridge injured) they won't be scoring a lot, but they will still be conceding a few.
I don't think you've spent £150m (or whatever it was) that well either. I think that will tell in the league table at the end of the season too.
We've spent on quality players though. Seriously, if Liverpool did the business United has done you'd be over the moon.
Wow, they look mediocre without Suarez. This could be fun. I may have to take the 90% of Liverpool muppets on here off of ignore now.
Why always Steve G ? Was this a breath taking one man perormance that dragged the lowly liverpool to victory against some mighty european giants? no he scored a penalty (feck sake)
Europa league seems on! Would love it if that happened. Basel need to do their job
Depends, 'penalty for Liverpool' came on late last night, if they get him fit they will always get a chance.