Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

Sphaero said:
Out of all possible things you criticise his football intelligence? That is probably his strongest feature. Henderson is a role player and a crucial part of their pressing approach. This comes mostly down to his off the ball movement and the way he closes down passing options of the competition and covers his team mates. You can´t play his role that well without a pretty high level of anticipation and the ability to read the game.

I don´t think he would suit United, though, unless Van Gaal changes his known approach from scratch. The role Henderson excells at does not currently exist in United´s system, which is by no means more complex or demanding as Pool´s btw.
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“Running is for animals. You need a brain and a ball for football.”

We are both right, he wouldn't fit, the charging around closing down opposition players is naturally a very capable weapon but more intelligent players move the ball and not so much the legs.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Yes he would.

Right now he's the only PL proven player out of those three and was great last season. Blind and Herrera are TBA - this should be re-visited come the end of the season.

Having said that I'm not surprised by your post.
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Hendersen is average. Not terrible, just an average English midfielder. I remember rumors about us offering Welbeck to Sunderland for him and I laughed my ass off about it. Im sorry, he seems like a nice guy but he's not even as good as Gareth Barry.
 
If the Fellaini problem didn't exist, and we only have Herrera, Blind and Carrick as our cms, I'd say Henderson would be an okay-ish addition to the squad. I've never been hung up on how much we pay for players but I reckon 12m would be a fair price if he was at Sunderland. I wouldn't be too fussed if we didn't get him though, because that'll mean there's space for our youth players like Pearson etc to fill, and I'm a big advocate of that. No point spending money for covers. Hell, Cleverley would be good cover for Blind, Herrera and Carrick.

As it stands now, we've got Fellaini, Young and a few others eating into our wage bill so a theoretical purchase of Henderson would be quite a folly. We're not so desperate for centre midfielders these days. My opinion, of course.
 
Dumbstar said:
Actually you're right. Sorry will update. Leicester are much better than Burnley so no way you can compare them with Norwich.

On that sidenote, can't wait for that Leicester match next week actually. :)
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Why? Want to see us thrash another side?
 
Dumbstar said:
So would he not be an automatic starter AHEAD of Herrera and Blind? :eek:

@KiD MoYeS saying Henderson is "not that great" is like saying Raheem Sterling is just a slightly better version of Defoe.
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Henderson doesnt play the holding role so he cant be directly compared to Blind.

He would have been an improvement on Cleverley,Anderson,Fellaini and Fletcher but not in the same league as Di Maria or Herrera.

TheReligion said:
Henderson has turned into a good player. Of course we'd have him. Let's not be silly lads.
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He wouldnt start ahead of Di Maria or Herrera. If we sign Strootman he wouldnt get too many games at United.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Yes he would.

Right now he's the only PL proven player out of those three and was great last season. Blind and Herrera are TBA - this should be re-visited come the end of the season.

Having said that I'm not surprised by your post.
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No chance that Henderson would start over Herrera or Blind. Not because he's not good enough but because, philosophy.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Yes he would.

Right now he's the only PL proven player out of those three and was great last season. Blind and Herrera are TBA - this should be re-visited come the end of the season.

Having said that I'm not surprised by your post.
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So what if he is PL proven player? Herrera is also proven player, he played for very good side for years in top2 league in the world(by some even the best), and his best performances were against the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona, United, and Atletico Madrid(check some of his performances against those and come back saying that again), something Henderson can still dream of. In these two games he played for us in the PL he looked like he is in premierleague for years.

As for Blind, Henderson is more proven than him, but they aren't even playing same position so he won't be starter ahead of him, or against Carrick who will be our first choice, so no, he wouldn't get into our midfield at the moment.
 
Could've sworn the Liverpool fans were Hendersons boo boys 2 seasons back? Wanted him gone cos he was shite, no?
 
STE586 said:
Could've sworn the Liverpool fans were Hendersons boo boys 2 seasons back? Wanted him gone cos he was shite, no?
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Some did, just like some wanted Lucas gone.

Rodgers himself even sanctioned a sale to Fulham but Henderson turned it down. I was pretty pissed off that he was willing to let him go back then, he wasn't performing that well but was being played out of position.

Since then he's markedly improved though.
 
Henderson is a good player that could be very good. I wouldn't have him at United, though. We've got a similar all-action player in Herrera, who I do prefer, and going forward I'd like to see us buying midfielders better than the pair of them. We could produce a Henderson from the academy, you'd like to think so anyway.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Some did, just like some wanted Lucas gone.

Rodgers himself even sanctioned a sale to Fulham but Henderson turned it down. I was pretty pissed off that he was willing to let him go back then, he wasn't performing that well but was being played out of position.

Since then he's markedly improved though.
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its not that long ago that Lucas was the best thing since sliced bread..
 
golden_blunder said:
its not that long ago that Lucas was the best thing since sliced bread..
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Injuries did Lucas unfortunately. There was year or so were he was genuinely fantastic, dominated some top midfielders. I even remember his form being recognised on here. Then he did his cruciate and he's never had quite the same agility (not that he was ever the fastest), when he came back to full fitness the squad had changed markedly under Rodgers and what was being asked of the midfield wasn't the same anymore, therefore Lucas doesn't really fit how we want to play. He was brilliant though for a short time.

On Henderson, made up for the lad. Has the best attitude of any player I've seen in the shirt for many years, he's the salt of the earth by Premier League footballer standards.
 
Yeah, injuries have wrecked Lucas, he was really good for us before them but hasn't looked like ever getting back to that level.

Still an okay squad player, just can't really play him in the same team as Gerrard because they'd get overrun.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Yeah, injuries have wrecked Lucas, he was really good for us before them but hasn't looked like ever getting back to that level.

Still an okay squad player, just can't really play him in the same team as Gerrard because they'd get overrun.
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For me Lucas is similar to Fletcher in many ways that now they both just seem to run around alot but not actually contribute anything to games, And because what's being asked of them is to hassle players and break up the game, The fact they cannot do this anymore stands out alot more.

I think Lucas was excellent for you guys before his injury, Midfielders must of hated the prospect of facing him of a weekend, Now I think if anything they will be happy, He should of gone to Napoli with Rafa last year when he was offered chance
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
For me Lucas is similar to Fletcher in many ways that now they both just seem to run around alot but not actually contribute anything to games, And because what's being asked of them is to hassle players and break up the game, The fact they cannot do this anymore stands out alot more.

I think Lucas was excellent for you guys before his injury, Midfielders must of hated the prospect of facing him of a weekend, Now I think if anything they will be happy, He should of gone to Napoli with Rafa last year when he was offered chance
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Yeah agree with all of that. Lucas wanted to go to Napoli on loan again this summer I believe but it didn't work out, shame for him.
 
TheReligion said:
Henderson has turned into a good player. Of course we'd have him. Let's not be silly lads.
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I won't start him ahead of Herrera and Di Maria in the system we played at the weekend, and I want to see how Blind develops for us in the coming months. So no, I wouldn't have Henderson here, at this current point in time.

I would have taken him a year ago though. Always rated him. And Allen, it has to be said.
 
NinjaZombie said:
I won't start him ahead of Herrera and Di Maria in the system we played at the weekend, and I want to see how Blind develops for us in the coming months. So no, I wouldn't have Henderson here, at this current point in time.

I would have taken him a year ago though. Always rated him. And Allen, it has to be said.
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Then that's ridiculous, Blind is a different player, an alternative, plus 3 midfielders isn't enough, with CL next year I would
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Then that's ridiculous, Blind is a different player, an alternative, plus 3 midfielders isn't enough, with CL next year I would
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I'm talking about this season. No CL. And people might disagree with me here but I'd rather have the kids from the academy as 4th or 5th choice midfielders, bearing in mind Carrick might still be around next season as backup.
 
BarneyLFC said:
I think we could get past most opposition barring Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea and Barcelona (and who knows, stranger things have happened). The likes of Atletico, Dortmund, PSG and City would be favourites going into a tie, but I would still give us a decent chance at progressing against them. As you say, Anfield will play a massive part in doing well in the competition.
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The Anfield crowd really making the difference so far.
 
I'm not going to accept any bollocks from Liverpool fans trying to convince me Lovren is good. Lucky? Yes. Good? No.
 
Lallana is not fit at all, very off the pace, both mentally and physically. Coutinho is having one of his bad games, his through balls aren't coming off, and because he tries lots of them, he's extra shit.
 
The momentum they built up last season just seems to be gone and they're not looking half as scary or dangerous in attack as they did then. Rodgers has a tough task getting him into that sort of gear again.
 
They struggle against sides that sit back.

They are great at playing very quick counter attack football. That's why the Spurs match suited them perfectly and they looked rampant.

When a team doesn't come out of their half then it becomes very hard to counter and hence they struggle.
 
Sterling and Henderson been their only decent players. Not blowing away the smaller clubs like they did last season.
 
There's no sparkle whatsoever, this Ludogrets team is hard working enough but it's very very average and could be ahead, Liverpool are shaking at the back and bordering on toothless upfront, the turd polish seems to have run dry.
 
The Madrid scoreline is flattering, this is going to be a tough group, Basel playing some lovely stuff and should have had 2/3 more really.
 
gasmanc said:
There's no sparkle whatsoever, this Ludogrets team is hard working enough but it's very very average and could be ahead, Liverpool are shaking at the back and bordering on toothless upfront, the turd polish seems to have run dry.
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You still can't help but feel Sturridge would be making a difference up front.
 
Moreno is brilliant. Rescued us (Sakho error again) at the back then sets up a goal.
 
The Liverpool team of this last week has looked unrecognisable from the team of last season. Obv could just be a wee blip but they're not looking top 4 contenders right now.
 
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