Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

Thank you. I was looking for somebody to sum up whats happened to Liverpool in the past 20 odd years and how they didnt fully capitalise on their standing. "Victims" is probably the wrong term. I was just making the point of how they've been left behind. I really appreaciate your facts(none of which I knew as you can tell).

For 104 years before 1992, since it was formed as the world's first such competition in 1888, the Football League entrenched the principle of money being shared. Gate receipts were split with the away club until that levelling of the playing field was scrapped under pressure from the big clubs, as recently as 1983.

Also I believe the likes of Liverpool,Arsenal and us pressed for the above.

http://www.theguardian.com/football...mier-league-relegation-financial-implications

The Premier League, which celebrates its creation this week, has transformed English football. Whether it has done so for the better is the subject of much argument. On the whole, it is criticised more than praised, although the counter factual of what football would be like without it is rarely pursued systematically.

Television money, admittedly not a large sum at first, was originally distributed among the 92 clubs in the Football League. In 1965 the BBC paid as little as £5,000 for the right to show highlights on Match of the Day, distributed as £50 to each club. Even when the sum increased, this principle of equal distribution did not please what were then regarded as the ‘Big Five’ clubs: Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United and Spurs (note the absence of Chelsea).

In 1981 they made their first threats to break away and form a super league. They were appeased by an agreement that in future the home club could keep all the gate receipts in home games, not share them with the away team. The share of such receipts from away matches at big clubs had been a boost for smaller clubs.

In 1985 a more serious threat to break away got the First Division clubs 50 per cent of all television and sponsorship money. In 1988 the Big Five did their own deal with ITV, which was worried about the emergent threat from satellite broadcasting.

So Liverpool pushed for the capitalist model as much as the rest of the big 5.
 
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Also I believe the likes of Liverpool,Arsenal and us pressed for the above.

http://www.theguardian.com/football...mier-league-relegation-financial-implications



So Liverpool pushed for the capitalist model as much as the rest of the big 5.
Moving on. I'm one of those people who felt like the departure of Fergie was the end of our relevance as a year in year out title chasing force. I was looking at the history of English football and how clubs go in to lulls for extended periods(Liverpool being the prime example). But then I see United breaking the British transfer record and aicquiring Falcao on loan despite his massive wages. United are well set to stay near or at the top for the forseeable future(something I never thought possible). Nobody's knows the future of course but it frankly astounds me that the prospects of this club are where they are at.
 
United are well set to stay near or at the top for the forseeable future(something I never thought possible). Nobody's knows the future of course but it frankly astounds me that the prospects of this club are where they are at.

This is the Fergie legacy imo. He has built and left behind a behemoth of a club. The biggest stadium, global fan base, most successful etc etc. Utd are in such a strong position now that we "should" be safe from dropping away from the top permanently.
 
So, Champions league is back tomorrow! Buzzing to be back in it. Markovic is suspended and Ludogorets have just sogned a new goalkeeper last night as their first and second choice keeepers are unavailable. I would line up with Mignolet; Manquillo, Lovren, Sakho, Moreno; Gerrard, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling; Lambert, Balotelli. It wouldn't surprise me if Toure came in for Sakho, but I hope that doesn't happen. I would try and get the back four above as many games as possible in order for them to gel. Reckon we should stick four or five past them (I know it's ignorant to just assume that a team from Bulgaria is fairly shite and my prediction obviously means we'll lose).
 
You should win comfortably. You'll probably make the quarter-finals due to Anfield, but I do reckon you'll be easily discarded once you come up against quality opposition.
 
You should win comfortably. You'll probably make the quarter-finals due to Anfield, but I do reckon you'll be easily discarded once you come up against quality opposition.

I think we could get past most opposition barring Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea and Barcelona (and who knows, stranger things have happened). The likes of Atletico, Dortmund, PSG and City would be favourites going into a tie, but I would still give us a decent chance at progressing against them. As you say, Anfield will play a massive part in doing well in the competition.
 
I think we could get past most opposition barring Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea and Barcelona (and who knows, stranger things have happened). The likes of Atletico, Dortmund, PSG and City would be favourites going into a tie, but I would still give us a decent chance at progressing against them. As you say, Anfield will play a massive part in doing well in the competition.

Not a chance you could beat Atletico or City over 2 legs in my eyes. QF exit seems a realistic shout. You can always get a winnable tie in the last 16, even Moyes managed to navigate it!
 
How can Liverpool be the victims here?

They were the first top flight team to go with a shirt sponsor.
They were the first English team to tap into the Asian market by going there on tour.
They were the first team to pay a player £10k a week-John Barnes.
They were founding members of G14.
They were as big a spenders as anybody in British football in the 70s/80s-generated themselves.

etc etc etc.

If they are victims of capitalism its because of their own dreadful decisions over the years in terms of spending and not developing a ground that is fit for a big club. As a big club in the early 90s is was all set up for them. They just didnt make the right choices.

Quite true actually. We won the CL in 05 and our club shop was closed the next day. Just sums up the amateurish running of the club in recent times until FSG took over.
 
Oh man one more sleep until our dream of Europe. And a whole weeks rest for Man Utd super stars just as they wanted. Everyone's a winner tomorrow. :)
 
You should win comfortably. You'll probably make the quarter-finals due to Anfield, but I do reckon you'll be easily discarded once you come up against quality opposition.

You're being kind. Liverpool will struggle in the group stage. If they get out of the groups they won't get past the second round.
 
You're being kind. Liverpool will struggle in the group stage. If they get out of the groups they won't get past the second round.
Nah, Anfield will see them through. Basel and Razgrad are hardly stern opposition, second place should come relatively easy.
 
Another defeat for the scousers will do nicely, especially on their return into Europe. It's certainly not out of the question after the way they played vs Villa.
 
You're being kind. Liverpool will struggle in the group stage. If they get out of the groups they won't get past the second round.

With this current Liverpool defence, Real will crush them in the Bernabeu. Seriously, it's going to be brutal for the little mites.
 
Ludgorets are a bit better than the usual shite that appears in pot 4 like Zagreb and Cluj etc. They were impressive last season everytime I watched them in the Europa. Should still be a 2/3-0 win but I'd be surprised if it's higher.
 
Another defeat for the scousers will do nicely, especially on their return into Europe. It's certainly not out of the question after the way they played vs Villa.

It's almost certainly out of the question (as much as anything in football can ever be). Anfield is going to be electric, the players will be massively up for it, the opposition aren't great and Rodgers has an excellent record at responding to defeats (I'm also of the opinion that the Villa game is a slip rather than the norm).
 
With this current Liverpool defence, Real will crush them in the Bernabeu. Seriously, it's going to be brutal for the little mites.

Real Madrid have their own problems.

(Just to be clear, they'd obviously be huge favourites, but they'll need to sort themselves out before they crush anyone).
 
It's almost certainly out of the question (as much as anything in football can ever be). Anfield is going to be electric, the players will be massively up for it, the opposition aren't great and Rodgers has an excellent record at responding to defeats (I'm also of the opinion that the Villa game is a slip rather than the norm).

:lol:

We'll see my friend.
 
Nah, Anfield will see them through. Basel and Razgrad are hardly stern opposition, second place should come relatively easy.

You're overlooking Basel, they've pulled off some giant killing acts in recent times in the CL, including knocking United out just a few seasons ago. They always play hard. Secondly, Rodgers has no experience at this level and only has Gerrard to look to in the squad for deep CL experience. I think they'll struggle, unless they do a 05 but flop completely in the league. They can't mount a challenge on both fronts especially with an inexperienced manager
 
You're overlooking Basel, they've pulled off some giant killing acts in recent times in the CL, including knocking United out just a few seasons ago. They always play hard. Secondly, Rodgers has no experience at this level and only has Gerrard to look to in the squad for deep CL experience. I think they'll struggle, unless they do a 05 but flop completely in the league. They can't mount a challenge on both fronts especially with an inexperienced manager
I hope you're right but I see Liverpool doing decently in the Champions League.
 
Ancelloti vs Rodgers. Sure

Ancelotti vs Arrasate. Sure.

The chances are that Real Madrid will do the double over us during the group stage and it's possible that they'll trash us, but like I said they need to sort their team out before they can think about steamrolling over other sides. They've already lost 3 times this season and drawn once, they'll need to find a solution to the Alonso/Di María losses.
 
Basel will be a tough couple of games (they have previous against us) and Ludogorets won't be coming to piss about either. No game in the CL is easy.
 
I really want Falcao to reveal it was Liverpool he rejected. C'mon Radamel, tell us.

So would I. Please Radamel, tell the world you rejected us. Tell them what they wanted to hear, the deal you were after and got.

Tell everyone tomorrow night at 8pm.
 
Just looking at the results so far, Moyes had actually done a bloody good job beginning of last season. Compared to beginning of this season he was almost a genius. The like for like results so far are:

Sunderland v Utd (last season Utd got 3 points from this fixture)
Utd v Swansea (Utd got 3 points)
Cardiff (substitute for Burnley) v Utd (was a draw so no change)
Utd v Crystal Palace (QPR equivalent) (Utd got 3 points)

With these three games last season they had 10 points on the board. This season only 5. So Utd (injuries, new players, whatever) are already fighting last season's mediocre campaign with a -5 points deficit.

Liverpool got 12 points from the same games. So they've got a tough job trying to just meet the same standard. They will more than likely drop 3 odd points in these games this season.

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Turning it around, Liverpool's 4 fixtures so far:

Liverpool v Southampton (last season 0 points at Anfield)
City v Liverpool (0 points again)
Spurs v Liverpool (3 easy points last season)
Liverpool v Villa (1 point at Anfield)

So last season Liverpool got 4 points out of these fixtures yet finished on 84 points. This season Liverpool actually have 6, an extra 2 points already in the bag.

Utd across these same fixtures got 5 points, better than Liverpool last season, yet still finished quite a few points off at the end. I can see Utd getting maybe 7 points from these games.

Conclusion: its actually closer than I thought it would be (across these fixtures only, not the season yet).
 
Palace were the 'equivalent' dire dogshit London team destined to go down from September. You played them in September last season. Like you played dire dogshit QPR in September this season. Cardiff were the next alternative left for Burnley.