Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

thegregster said:
Liverpool have spent over 900million and not won the league since 1990. Liverpool were the first English club to abandon homegrown policies and just buy in virtually the whole squad. See the Liverpool team of the 70s/80s and compare it to the Wolves team of the 50s,United team of the 50s/60s.

Look at the liverpool team that did the double in 86. No homegrown. Even Chelsea and City had at least one homegrown player about when they have won stuff.

Liverpool fans were begging billionaires to come in and buy them.

Liverpool fans are happy to be subsidized by a outside investment ie FSG.

Also we are only spending what we are generating. ;)
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Well thank goodness they did as they bossed England and Europe for years.
 
God, this thread is awful.

I think I should just thread ban all the Liverpool posters and let the Utd ones rip the piss without any comebacks. It's only fair.
 
thegregster said:
77 FA cup final-6 homegrown.
83 FA cup final 4 homegrown.
85 FA Cup final 4 homegrown.

What should United do with the huge sums they generate? It would be great if they reduced ticket prices alright but all fans want the money reinvested in the club.
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You must have missed the - 'top class players' - bit of my post.

I could point to the homegrown talent we had in our 1973 side that won the League & UEFA Cup in 1973, & then won the FA Cup the following year. Or maybe the 5 local lads who helped us win the European Cup in 1981. So we didn't exactly 'abandon' our homegrown policy did we ? We just had higher standards than United had during that period.
 
gasmanc said:
Rodgers got found out late last season for me, despite the outcry I will receive, he was at fault in those vital games where dreams broke through into nightmare.
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He sure did. Got found to be a top manager with a clear philosophy and an ability to improve players while getting his team to leapfrog several others into the much-coveted CL spots. This is a view echoed all over this forum by informed United fans who see a manager doing an very impressive job.
 
redman5 said:
You must have missed the - 'top class players' - bit of my post.

I could point to the homegrown talent we had in our 1973 side that won the League & UEFA Cup in 1973, & then won the FA Cup the following year. Or maybe the 5 local lads who helped us win the European Cup in 1981. So we didn't exactly 'abandon' our homegrown policy did we ? We just had higher standards than United had during that period.
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Players like Mark Hughes who was bought by Barca? Norman Whiteside? The player who beat Pele's record as the youngest every player at a world cup?

Only two were homegrown that started. Also a few of those "locals" like David Johnson,Terry McDerrmott got their training elsewhere.

By the time 84 came around you only had one. Then by 86 it was zero.
 
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TooBias said:
To be honest, the opposition fans on this forum are really annoying me at the moment. Probably irrationally, but still...
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Well you really are making a rod for your own back then ... just by posting in the Rivals : Liverpool thread :D
 
MJJ said:
If you threadban them they wont be able to read the thread or us taking the piss out of them.
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They can, actually.

I'm not actually going to do it. It is sort of entertaining reading the delusions in here.

From both sides.
 
PickledRed said:
Well thank goodness they did as they bossed England and Europe for years.
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Well Liverpool fans will tell you they bought these players because they generated the money themselves.

So why criticize united for spending their own money? That is my point.
 
thegregster said:
Well Liverpool fans will tell you they bought these players because they generated the money themselves.

So why criticize united for spending their own money? That is my point.
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I wasn't critisising united for spending. I was critisising this newfound "we'll just buy everything till our problems are solved - Haha, we've got more money than you" attitude among fans. Which is a quite ironic shift given the general attitude towards city fans displaying similar behaviour.
 
B20 said:
I wasn't critisising united for spending. I was critisising this newfound "we'll just buy everything till our problems are solved - Haha, we've got more money than you" attitude among fans. Which is a quite ironic shift given the general attitude towards city fans displaying similar behaviour.
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hahah u mad coz we got mo money biiiiiitch lolsorry, had to
 
thegregster said:
Only two were homegrown that started. Also a few of those "locals" like David Johnson,Terry McDerrmott got their training elsewhere.
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I'm not just talking about the final. Phil Thompson, Sammy Lee, Colin Irwin, David Fairclough, & Howard Gayle, all played a part in our European Cup success that year. Colin Irwin was a terrific defender who's game time was restricted because of the successful Thompson & Hansen partnership. We sold him to Swansea for £340,000 in 1981 ( a lot of money back then ) but his career was ended 2 years later due to injury. Howard Gayle's greatest - & only - moment in a Liverpool shirt, came away in the semi-final second leg against a very good Bayern Munich side that had held us to a 0-0 draw at Anfield in the first game. Dalglish was injured very early on in that game. Many Liverpool supporters were surprised that an untried Gayle had even made the bench for such a crucial game. However, we were stunned when Paisley brought him on to replace Kenny. It turned out to be a master-stroke, because the well-prepared Germans were certainly not prepared for this young, unknown lad from Toxteth. He run them ragged for 60 odd minutes or so, & gave us the platform to end up winning the tie on away goals.

Our youth system also brought through Dave Watson. Another great defender who never got the chance because of the likes of Thompson, Hansen, & Lawrenson. He eventually went on to play for, & captain, the great Everton side of the 80's. So like I say, we did produce some good homegrown players during the 70's & 80's. Most of them could have had a decent career at Liverpool, just in the same way those at United did during that time. It's just that our expectations & ambitions were higher than yours.
 
B20 said:
I wasn't critisising united for spending. I was critisising this newfound "we'll just buy everything till our problems are solved - Haha, we've got more money than you" attitude among fans. Which is a quite ironic shift given the general attitude towards city fans displaying similar behaviour.
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Yeah but, it's our money. Get it?
 
PickledRed said:
But the last 12 months? We've been a game away from collapsing since August 2013.
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I don't think you will "collapse" but when the European competitions start, you will definitely see a big drop in performances. Neither your manager nor most of your team are used to Sat-Tue-Sat schedule much.
 
TooBias said:
The Liverpool fans talk some hideous shite too. Don't get me wrong, there's myopia and stubbornness on both sides, but Liverpool fans can't even admit that we've got a team that can rival theirs. It's pathetic. They think they've been graced by some Shankly/Paisley hybrid spirit in the form of Brendan Rodgers who can turn anyone and everyone into a top player.

They continue to ignore the impediments United have faced this season, they almost refuse to acknowledge Suarez's importance to their 'success' last season ("The stats show Sturridge scored more important goals!") and to top it off, they now genuinely believe they have a top team.
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We can also turn this arse about tit :

United Fans continue to ignore how good Liverpool were/are and instead make excuses regarding the failure of other teams or call it a 'flash in the pan' and focus solely on Suarez as the source of everything good about the team, ignoring the contributions of others. The 'Suarez Factor' is now given as almost the exclusive reason why Liverpool will fall back into mediocrity this season, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.
United fans continue to hail their new players as all that is required to transform them into a title chasing (even Title-winning if you read through enough threads) despite the fact that most have played only a single game if any at all.
United fans continue to slag off BR and refuse to acknowledge the improvements he has made, even though, on a much wider platform, he is being lauded. The opposite applies to LvG who is seen as the 2nd Coming and incapable of failure.
United fans continue to think that the injuries they have suffered are somehow much worse than those of other teams however this is not the case (also bear in mind the size of the respective squads) :
2013/14 (player days injured) : Arsenal 1,716, Spurs 1,441, Everton 1,367, United 1,146, Liverpool* 997, City 929, Chelsea 556. *naturally excludes Suarez missing the first 6 weeks.
2014/15 (per player absent = one point per week) : United 31, Liverpool 22, Arsenal 21, Everton 14, Spurs 12, City 6, Chelsea 4).

You've got to wonder how Chelsea have so few injuries.

See how your 'complaints' can easily be (mis)construed as biased whining when in the oppositions' shoes ? You could easily substitute 'Liverpool' For 'United' in those sentences and with a little manipulation and name changes have a 180 degree viewpoint.

It's all tribalism, you should have worked it out by now ! :D
 
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redman5 said:
Probably because he seems to spend more time on Liverpool threads than he does on United ones. Although you're starting to run him pretty close with your perfect blue-skies scenario with everything relating to Manchester United, & the worse-case scenario doom-mongering when it's Liverpool. You don't have a sensible debate with people like you, & your 'scattergun approach', as someone correctly called it. You quite often go off at a tangent & bring up stuff totally irrelevant to the point in question. Krafty has a history of such stuff too, hence my labeling you as his 'mini-me'
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All well and good but no answer to the actual post in question regarding club position, your still behind until proven otherwise and just basing an opinion on the last 12 months is basically a scouse alter ego.

@PickledRed I have no doubt that Rodgers is doing a superb job I am of the same opinion myself to be honest, he has been fantastic for you but human nature is what it is, nobody is perfect and Rodgers did display tactical naivety in those games that mattered the most and as I have already expressed, I have yet to see him set up a solid defensive unit. That does not mean he wont learn from those mistakes however and if he does then your in for a great period for as long as he stays. You do need to be winning those prizes at the same time though, hence my comparison to Wengers arses.
 
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redman5 said:
Whatever you say mini-me.
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I take that as "I simply have no answer gasmanc"

I am quite happy to put all the back biting away and I do accept that Liverpool have a good squad and manager and that they are playing good stuff, where it becomes difficult and fractured is when declarations that United haven't addressed key issues in our squad and our new manager and his signings wont change the clubs trajectory. All of this before those signings have had even one competitive match together, it's utter nonsense and it's got United posters saying, hang on a minute, you've just paid 25m for Adam Lallan and your critiscising the signing of Di Maria, likewise Balotelli > Falcao.
If you want to have a reasoned debate about the clubs likely prospects this coming season then fine but after 3 games Liverpool have had a near full compliment and looked very similar to the side from last season (no surprise there). The same can be said of United and with 11 injuries (no surprise again).

All I am saying here is don't jump the gun with regards to United's prospects as we've seen nothing of the United that Van Gaal is piecing together.
 
Did anyone see that letter to Balotelli? They must be the cringiest set of fans on earth.

We go again FFS :lol:
 
J-Stander said:
Did anyone see that letter to Balotelli? They must be the cringiest set of fans on earth.

We go again FFS :lol:
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RAWK gonna RAWK, I notice too they're deleting posts of people who dare go into the thread and ask wether or not its a joke or question the writer's state of mind :lol:

When I first read it on twitter I believe I experienced what is known as Poe's law.
 
Liverpool named 19 players to its over 21 squad list. They have a number of under 21's as all clubs do, but I am not familiar with them all. I see Can, Flanagan, Sterling, Markovic as 4 under 21's who will see game time with them. So that is 23 players. They brought a lot in to among others things add depth for the CL campaign. Are they in good shape depth wise?
 
JustAFan said:
Liverpool named 19 players to its over 21 squad list. They have a number of under 21's as all clubs do, but I am not familiar with them all. I see Can, Flanagan, Sterling, Markovic as 4 under 21's who will see game time with them. So that is 23 players. They brought a lot in to among others things add depth for the CL campaign. Are they in good shape depth wise?
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Very good I believe. Lots of cover and not just crap like Aspas as per last season, even getting onto the bench is going to be tough in most positions. The best thing is the age of the squad, the oldest 4/5 will only be here for a season more or two at most, then the average age plummets.

1st Team Squad
Simon Mignolet (26).......Brad Jones (32).......(Likely to be Victor Valdes (32) from October)
Dejan Lovren (25)..........Kolo Touré (33)
Mamadou Sakho (24).....Martin Skrtel (29)
Alberto Moreno (22)........José Enrique (28)
Javier Manquillo (20).......Jon Flanagan (21).....Glen Johnson (30)
Jordan Henderson (24)....Joe Allen (24)............Emre Can (20)
Steven Gerrard (34)........Lucas Leiva (27)
Adam Lallana (26)..........Lazar Markovic (20)
Raheem Sterling (19)......Coutinho (22)
Mario Balotelli (24)..........Rickie Lambert (32)
Daniel Sturridge (25).......Fabio Borini (23)

FRINGE / ON LOAN
Tiago Ilori (21)
Andre Wisdom (21)
Suso (20)
Teixeira (21)
Luis Alberto (21)
Jordon Ibe (18)
Divock Origi (19)
Sebastián Coates (23)
Oussama Assaidi (26)
 
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Kostur said:
hahah u mad coz we got mo money biiiiiitch lolsorry, had to
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Even so we're not going to see spending like this Summer on our end for a very, very long time.

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gasmanc said:
Defensively and also tactical naivety like you say.
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I would say that Rodgers was tactically naive against Chelsea yes but then many have come up against Mourinho and lost. That's not to say he wont be wiser next time. Defensively we were just poor not found out. Anyone would say that Skrtel and Johnson didnt play great defensively last year. Flanagan was a great highlight in how he kicked on and I hope he can go further this term. Certainly we've strengthened there this term with Moreno, Manquillo and Lovren along with Sakho who I think will improve. That said it will take a while for a defence to bed in.
 
Stick said:
I would say that Rodgers was tactically naive against Chelsea yes but then many have come up against Mourinho and lost. That's not to say he wont be wiser next time. Defensively we were just poor not found out. Anyone would say that Skrtel and Johnson didnt play great defensively last year. Flanagan was a great highlight in how he kicked on and I hope he can go further this term. Certainly we've strengthened there this term with Moreno, Manquillo and Lovren along with Sakho who I think will improve. That said it will take a while for a defence to bed in.
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I have already stated in this thread that Rodgers may learn from those mistakes last year, the naivety came from attacking Mourinhos side when a draw would have sufficed, it didn't take a top manager to see that but yea with the new signings we will see how he gets on.
Do have to say though that it seems to have come as a surprise that Johnson is shite, he's been shite as a fullback since day one, Skrtel isn't much better as CB, he's a penalty in him every game if they get seen :wenger:
 
gasmanc said:
I have already stated in this thread that Rodgers may learn from those mistakes last year, the naivety came from attacking Mourinhos side when a draw would have sufficed, it didn't take a top manager to see that but yea with the new signings we will see how he gets on.
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Who is to say that had BR gone all defensive and played for a draw against Mourinho that the result would have been any different ? It's easy to sit here now and claim with hindsight that this that or the other would have seen a different result but the fact is no-one will ever know.
But for 'that' slip I could not see us losing that game so the margins are very fine, had Sterling's 3m on-side goal at City not been disallowed then in all probability the Chelsea result would have been irrelevant, or maybe any one of this, that or the other incidents throughout the season that City, Chelsea or ourselves could claim would have or did make THE difference. It's too easy to blame BR however the fact that he took us to within a slip, or an offside decision or whatever, from the title is all too often over-looked in favour of claiming 'bottling it' or lack of tactical nouse was the deciding factor, whereas in reality City were always favourites and with the team they had at their disposal it's hardly any surprise at all they held out in the end.
 
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