Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

Rodgers got found out late last season for me, despite the outcry I will receive, he was at fault in those vital games where dreams broke through into nightmare.

Funny enough regarding Wenger/Arsenal I was on thinking that this year might be the first time they finally miss top four, Wellbeck going South might just turn the tables in their favour.
 
Rodgers got found out late last season for me, despite the outcry I will receive, he was at fault in those vital games where dreams broke through into nightmare.

Funny enough regarding Wenger/Arsenal I was on thinking that this year might be the first time they finally miss top four, Wellbeck going South might just turn the tables in their favour.
Last season it was a joy to watch Liverpool for me. They may have been naive in the Chelsea game but they were breath taking at times in the dismantling of Everton, Arsenal and Tottenham. I've been massively impressed with the way rodgers has the team playing. I don't know what you deem as found out. The fact that Liverpool even mounted a title challenge last year was fantastic for rodgers.
 
Last season it was a joy to watch Liverpool for me. They may have been naive in the Chelsea game but they were breath taking at times in the dismantling of Everton, Arsenal and Tottenham. I've been massively impressed with the way rodgers has the team playing. I don't know what you deem as found out. The fact that Liverpool even mounted a title challenge last year was fantastic for rodgers.

Defensively and also tactical naivety like you say.
 
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god forbid...

its simple. demand and supply. United are wanted by millions...Adidas was willing to pay whatever we wanted. Offer and Acceptance.

If you mean getting round the FFP rules...honestly I don't know the details.
Just wait until Liverpool get their new kit deal, I hear it's going to be very interesting.

Oh come off it. Even without your big money signings there wasn't that many Liverpool fans who thought 7th place was going to be the norm for United. You'll be battling it out with ourselves & Arsenal for the CL spots. Most of us expected that anyway.

Redman5's actually telling the truth, most of the Pool fans were saying we were going to finish 7th to wind us up, especially on RAWK as they know we often visit that forum. I've seen most who were being fair put us between 3rd and 5th which does sound about right at the moment.
 
On paper I think it's a terrible squad, Liverpool fans have been going on about how shit our midfield is, they have Gerrard/Jordan Henderson and Tom Cleverley's sidekick, Joe 'the crab' Allen.
We've learned the hard way that being good on paper means feck all, Gerrard and Henderson are a ridiculously effective midfield partnership, our new midfield hasn't even played together yet, not saying our midfield doesn't look class, it does on paper unfortunately we can't just win games by having the better team at the start of the match.
 
Herrera has a lot to prove before he can be deemed better than Henderson in this league.

Yeah, a game would help.

What you lot are missing, or seem to be wilfully ignoring, is that we've not been able to field anything like our strongest team yet.

Let's see what happens when we've got Herrera, Di Maria, Blind, Mata and Falcao on the same pitch. I'm pretty sure you won't see bumbling performances against Burnley and Sunderland then.
 
Yeah, a game would help.

What you lot are missing, or seem to be wilfully ignoring, is that we've not been able to field anything like our strongest team yet.

Let's see what happens when we've got Herrera, Di Maria, Blind, Mata and Falcao on the same pitch. I'm pretty sure you won't see bumbling performances against Burnley and Sunderland then.
Can't be forgetting Rojo and even a fit Rafael will feel like a new signing altogether.
 
Rodgers got found out late last season for me, despite the outcry I will receive, he was at fault in those vital games where dreams broke through into nightmare.
1 loss and 1 draw in the last 14 games was it?

What are you actually doing here? You just seem to be taking a scatter gun approach to arguing with made up scousers who aren't making the points you claim they are. The Liverpool fans here are (mostly) good posters, it's the United lot who seem to go beserk in this thread.
 
Can't be forgetting Rojo and even a fit Rafael will feel like a new signing altogether.

And Shaw. The point is, any team playing Valencia, Young, Fletcher and Cleverley would be struggling. Valencia is one of the worst players in the PL now, he is truly that bad, and Young is not much better. Fletcher is probably the worst midfielder in the PL, mainly due to the deterioration of any sort of physicality. Cleverley is a player so bereft of confidence I'm not sure he'd trust himself to make a bowl of cereal without burning it. Then you've got Blackett who is so inexperienced, he makes Shaw look like a veteran.

To compound all this, the players have been thrust into a completely foreign formation.
 
1 loss and 1 draw in the last 14 games was it?

What are you actually doing here? You just seem to be taking a scatter gun approach to arguing with made up scousers who aren't making the points you claim they are. The Liverpool fans here are (mostly) good posters, it's the United lot who seem to go beserk in this thread.

If you can't be arsed reading the thread I can't be arsed going back through it for you.
 
And Shaw. The point is, any team playing Valencia, Young, Fletcher and Cleverley would be struggling. Valencia is one of the worst players in the PL now, he is truly that bad, and Young is not much better. Fletcher is probably the worst midfielder in the PL, mainly due to the deterioration of any sort of physicality. Cleverley is a player so bereft of confidence I'm not sure he'd trust himself to make a bowl of cereal without burning it. Then you've got Blackett who is so inexperienced, he makes Shaw look like a veteran.

To compound all this, the players have been thrust into a completely foreign formation.
Couldn't agree more, Valencia could well be one of our personal worst ever signings. I think we're a bit clouded with sentimentality regarding Fletcher but I'm sorry, he's been a great servant and it's about time he was moved on. Blackett whilst inexperienced has been our 2nd best defender behind Jones so the inexperience isn't the hindrance, Evans and Smalling on the other hand look like two lads who won a competition to play for us in a friendly at the moment.
 
1 loss and 1 draw in the last 14 games was it?

What are you actually doing here? You just seem to be taking a scatter gun approach to arguing with made up scousers who aren't making the points you claim they are. The Liverpool fans here are (mostly) good posters, it's the United lot who seem to go beserk in this thread.
They're hit and miss, not "mostly good" at all.
 
Couldn't agree more, Valencia could well be one of our personal worst ever signings. I think we're a bit clouded with sentimentality regarding Fletcher but I'm sorry, he's been a great servant and it's about time he was moved on. Blackett whilst inexperienced has been our 2nd best defender behind Jones so the inexperience isn't the hindrance, Evans and Smalling on the other hand look like two lads who won a competition to play for us in a friendly at the moment.

Short memory I see. He was the best out and out winger in the world.
 
1 loss and 1 draw in the last 14 games was it?

What are you actually doing here? You just seem to be taking a scatter gun approach to arguing with made up scousers who aren't making the points you claim they are. The Liverpool fans here are (mostly) good posters, it's the United lot who seem to go beserk in this thread.

The Liverpool fans talk some hideous shite too. Don't get me wrong, there's myopia and stubbornness on both sides, but Liverpool fans can't even admit that we've got a team that can rival theirs. It's pathetic. They think they've been graced by some Shankly/Paisley hybrid spirit in the form of Brendan Rodgers who can turn anyone and everyone into a top player.

They continue to ignore the impediments United have faced this season, they almost refuse to acknowledge Suarez's importance to their 'success' last season ("The stats show Sturridge scored more important goals!") and to top it off, they now genuinely believe they have a top team.
 
Short memory I see. He was the best out and out winger in the world.
Maybe I'm being harsh, for a season he was extremely good, but that doesn't make up for the rest of his career at United of being one of the most unbelievably shite players around and being the worst in a team clogged up with dross. Past reputations mean nothing when can't actually beat your first man with a cross any time and are happy to hit it against him to win a throw-in or a corner and be as uncreative as an accountant in a pencil museum.
 
They continue to ignore the impediments United have faced this season, they almost refuse to acknowledge Suarez's importance to their 'success' last season ("The stats show Sturridge scored more important goals!") and to top it off, they now genuinely believe they have a top team.

Right, that's the third time you've mentioned that in a short space of time. Can't keep ignoring this daft statement.

Who would you like me to write to complain about your [rolleyes] impediments [/rolleyes]? I can write in multiple copies, you just give me names. Sir Alex Ferguson, Glazers, Moyes, the FA, God?

Dear Idiots,

Why do we have these f*cking impediments? You are the cause and these stupid scousers can't see them because they're blind. Please have all the premier league games replayed while our new signings settle in. Thank you.

Yours, TooBias

Do you want me to make it more edgy?
 
Right, that's the third time you've mentioned that in a short space of time. Can't keep ignoring this daft statement.

Who would you like me to write to complain about your [rolleyes] impediments [/rolleyes]? I can write in multiple copies, you just give me names. Sir Alex Ferguson, Glazers, Moyes, the FA, God?

Dear Idiots,

Why do we have these f*cking impediments? You are the cause and these stupid scousers can't see them because they're blind. Please have all the premier league games replayed while our new signings settle in. Thank you.

Yours, TooBias

Do you want me to make it more edgy?

:lol:
 
Right, that's the third time you've mentioned that in a short space of time. Can't keep ignoring this daft statement.

Who would you like me to write to complain about your [rolleyes] impediments [/rolleyes]? I can write in multiple copies, you just give me names. Sir Alex Ferguson, Glazers, Moyes, the FA, God?

Dear Idiots,

Why do we have these f*cking impediments? You are the cause and these stupid scousers can't see them because they're blind. Please have all the premier league games replayed while our new signings settle in. Thank you.

Yours, TooBias

Do you want me to make it more edgy?

Just draft us a copy of one of your Hicks/Gillett jobs.
 
We scousers have the lot and can arrange a march too. I really don't want to let TooBias down.
 
We didn't want Falcao cause he his on too much money and his knee is dodgy and he isn't the same player anymore...

We didn't want Di Maria cause he was overpriced, and Madrid didn't want him so he can't be that good, and we don't need him anyway...

I'd be more worried if you signed Vidal and Hummells and got players who no one could cause they weren't available...

It really is a laugh a minute in here! Keep it coming guys.
 
We didn't want Falcao cause he his on too much money and his knee is dodgy and he isn't the same player anymore...

We didn't want Di Maria cause he was overpriced, and Madrid didn't want him so he can't be that good, and we don't need him anyway...

I'd be more worried if you signed Vidal and Hummells and got players who no one could cause they weren't available...

It really is a laugh a minute in here! Keep it coming guys.
We end up signing them, Manchester United are ruining football, they're buying the league! Vidal is a crock! Hummels wanted to go to Bayern and us but we turned him down because we have Lovren!!!
 
Right, that's the third time you've mentioned that in a short space of time. Can't keep ignoring this daft statement.

Who would you like me to write to complain about your [rolleyes] impediments [/rolleyes]? I can write in multiple copies, you just give me names. Sir Alex Ferguson, Glazers, Moyes, the FA, God?

Dear Idiots,

Why do we have these f*cking impediments? You are the cause and these stupid scousers can't see them because they're blind. Please have all the premier league games replayed while our new signings settle in. Thank you.

Yours, TooBias

Do you want me to make it more edgy?

The feck are you on about? We've had a shit load of injuries. Injuries = impediments. Anybody with half a brain can see that. My point, which your limited mind can't seem to comprehend, is that we've not been able to field a full strength team. I'm not blaming it on anyone or anything, it's just a fact. We've been impeded by injuries and that has thusly affected our results. It's blindingly obvious. In your attempt at condescension you've managed to look ridiculous by obviating the very simple point I'm trying to make because, I can only assume, you know it's true and it doesn't fit the scouse narrative that United's new signings won't fit, they're a broken team, Brendan Paiskly has got himself a better team.
 
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You've sort of got to the bottom of this yourself ;)

Aye, I should have known better. They're like friggin' cultists, who like to form their own reality around their delusion. The Scientologists are missing a trick not setting up shop in Liverpool. Crazy people.
 
Aye, I should have known better. They're like friggin' cultists, who like to form their own reality around their delusion. The Scientologists are missing a trick not setting up shop in Liverpool. Crazy people.

Oh it gets worse, I made a post earlier making a comparable between Arsenals decade of great win feck all football and Liverpools just now.
Dares you to go and check out the Arsenal thread and have a read through the love in ;)
Birds of a feather an all that.
 
Oh it gets worse, I made a post earlier making a comparable between Arsenals decade of great win feck all football and Liverpools just now.
Dares you to go and check out the Arsenal thread and have a read through the love in ;)
Birds of a feather an all that.

To be honest, the opposition fans on this forum are really annoying me at the moment. Probably irrationally, but still...
 
To be honest, the opposition fans on this forum are really annoying me at the moment. Probably irrationally, but still...
Because they think we're unbalanced as a team because our manager said we were earlier in the window, and now at the end despite being very well balanced as a side we're still miles behind Arsenal and Liverpool, to quote njred who is by far the worst opposing fan poster on this forum.
 
Gerrard was terrific last season, and he will be this season also. He is badly underrated nowadays.
Not really.. He has good set pieces so is productive but overall he's not been that great. Him and Johnson are by far Liverpools weakest links! but Gerrard is one of those who is undroppable and Johnson is one of their highest earners so he plays always too, even though he's awful.
At least that's how I see it when I watch them, quite a few Liverpool fans I know think so as well. He's decent, but has really declined a lot recently.
 
Right, that's the third time you've mentioned that in a short space of time. Can't keep ignoring this daft statement.

Who would you like me to write to complain about your [rolleyes] impediments [/rolleyes]? I can write in multiple copies, you just give me names. Sir Alex Ferguson, Glazers, Moyes, the FA, God?

Dear Idiots,

Why do we have these f*cking impediments? You are the cause and these stupid scousers can't see them because they're blind. Please have all the premier league games replayed while our new signings settle in. Thank you.

Yours, TooBias

Do you want me to make it more edgy?

:lol:
 
To be honest, the opposition fans on this forum are really annoying me at the moment. Probably irrationally, but still...

No, what's really annoying you is the fact you haven't got off to the start you'd hoped. A good pre-season raised your expectations quite a few notches. LVG will turn it around in time, so you need to be patient & stop taking it out on us Liverpool fans.
 
FFS. :lol:

Spoken like a true man city fan. You'll be waving ten pound notes at the game soon enough.

Liverpool have spent over 900million and not won the league since 1990. Liverpool were the first English club to abandon homegrown policies and just buy in virtually the whole squad. See the Liverpool team of the 70s/80s and compare it to the Wolves team of the 50s,United team of the 50s/60s.

Look at the liverpool team that did the double in 86. No homegrown. Even Chelsea and City had at least one homegrown player about when they have won stuff.

Liverpool fans were begging billionaires to come in and buy them.

Liverpool fans are happy to be subsidized by a outside investment ie FSG.

Also we are only spending what we are generating. ;)
 
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I popped in as my name was mentioned, I was quite happy leaving you be, on arrival the player comparison war was in flow and I am more than happy to provide my comments also. What is abundantly clear is that Liverpool fans now feel they are ahead of United and last years league positions would seem to back that up if you want to look at extremely short term (scousers now ignoring history hmmm, why ?) What is also abundantly clear is that Liverpool are currently playing the better football but from a set of fans who experienced Daglish II and Hodgson's reigns of terror you know a good part of the reason why.
Let's go beyond one season and look at the bigger picture, United on and off the field have been steadily moving away from Liverpool for the past 20 odd years to a point where the sizes of the two clubs are no longer even comparable. United as a company is a corporate monster, one of, if not the, largest in Europe, it is not (to use a quote from this very thread) "playing catch up" Liverpool are still behind United in the grand scheme of things and still quite a long way at that, Moyeseffect might have shaved a couple of years off in your favour but a considerable gap still remains. Just to back up the point here, you have Champions league football and the best player you could attract was Balotelli, United on the other hand without CL managed to attract $ two of the worlds best players and one of which Liverpool themselves went in for (despite desperate cries to the contrary).
Going back to the squad war, those United players from last season are broken, a few of them deadwood for sure but there are still some top players in the squad and once the ship is steady you will start to see some of the old qualities or LvG will pack them their bags, of those that faced MK Dons the survival rate is very low.
So in summary yes Liverpool are playing good football, better football than United certainly but as last season showed it means nothing without trophies, as it stands you have won nothing since the resurgence, and until you have, and are maintaining it you're still playing catch up. Arsenal have been winning the "playing top football la" trophy for the best part of a decade now and if you want an insight into how most United fans view Liverpool at the minute then just look at your own views on Arsenal as serial chokers.

You do seem to obsess on kraftwerker though mate, noticing his absence and mentioning him here and there, even dreaming he has a clone, perhaps drop him a pm, you never know your luck.

Probably because he seems to spend more time on Liverpool threads than he does on United ones. Although you're starting to run him pretty close with your perfect blue-skies scenario with everything relating to Manchester United, & the worse-case scenario doom-mongering when it's Liverpool. You don't have a sensible debate with people like you, & your 'scattergun approach', as someone correctly called it. You quite often go off at a tangent & bring up stuff totally irrelevant to the point in question. Krafty has a history of such stuff too, hence my labeling you as his 'mini-me'
 
Liverpool have spent over 900million and not won the league since 1990. Liverpool were the first English club to abandon homegrown policies and just buy in virtually the whole squad. See the Liverpool team of the 70s/80s and compare it to the Wolves team of the 50s,United team of the 50s/60,Spurs team of the 60s etc.

Liverpool fans were begging billionaires to come in and buy them.

Liverpool fans are happy to be subsidized by a outside investment ie FSG.

Also we are only spending what we are generating. ;)

It wasn't a case of abandoning our homegrown policy, there just wasn't the talent coming through that was deemed good enough to play for the best side in Europe at the time. How many top class players did United have come through the ranks during that same period ? Not many iirc. & this for a club who prides itself on giving young talent a chance.

I find it strange that you should bring up Liverpool's excessive spending over the past quarter of a century, considering how United supporters are now banking on their own club trying to spend their way back to the top. Not only have we splashed out a lot of money during the past 20 odd years, we've also had more than our fair share of top class players come through too - Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, McManaman, & Owen - So even money, & a successful academy, doesn't guarantee success. Having a well run club, with a very good manager, seems to be the key ingredients that we were missing all that time. Who knows, we might finally be putting that right.
 
It wasn't a case of abandoning our homegrown policy, there just wasn't the talent coming through that was deemed good enough to play for the best side in Europe at the time. How many top class players did United have come through the ranks during that same period ? Not many iirc. & this for a club who prides itself on giving young talent a chance.

I find it strange that you should bring up Liverpool's excessive spending over the past quarter of a century, considering how United supporters are now banking on their own club trying to spend their way back to the top. Not only have we splashed out a lot of money during the past 20 odd years, we've also had more than our fair share of top class players come through too - Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, McManaman, & Owen - So even money, & a successful academy, don't guarantee success. Having a well run club, with a very good manager, seems to be the key ingredients that we were missing all that time. Who knows, we might finally be putting that right.

77 FA cup final-6 homegrown.
83 FA cup final 4 homegrown.
85 FA Cup final 4 homegrown.

What should United do with the huge sums they generate? It would be great if they reduced ticket prices alright but all fans want the money reinvested in the club.
 
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