Gerrard was terrific last season, and he will be this season also. He is badly underrated nowadays.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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I am pretty sure it will be.
He was poor in the first half, did what he's supposed to in the second.
Don't think he'll be dropped soon anyway. Your best players tend to get leeway for being off form.
Which he still he is, although there's been plenty of gleeful calls to pronounce him finished after the world cup.
When Chelsea were at their peak, they won back to back titles under Mourinho.
But the last 12 months? We've been a game away from collapsing since August 2013.
I personally think it's a risk to be playing him because he can have them days now where he can get totally exposed and they look like becoming more frequent. It will be very interesting to see how he performs if Henderson manages to pick up a injury that keeps him out for a few weeks.
Fair enough, but my point stands that things can change. You've lost Suarez and I reckon you'll lose more in time. As will Arsenal who sold us RVP not too long ago. Torres is another example, but he went to shit anyway I suppose.
You seem to be overlooking the fact that the main reason for you not still being the main force in English football now sits in the stands as a spectator.
One of very few advantages of being as old as I am, is that you have experiences you can draw upon from the past that could easily apply to the here & now. I was a young lad when United won the league in 1967. I remember watching their great side, managed by a great manager (Busby), become champions of Europe 12 months later. Amazingly, just 6 years after that, United were relegated. This just a few short years after Matt Busby retired. Now I'm certainly not predicting United are going to fall off the radar the way they did back then. But you'd be wise not to think that money alone will be the answer to all your problems. After all, you've got another super-rich club right on your doorstep. & then there's Chelsea too. Both clubs are far more established, & with settled squads. United signed Di Maria & falcao very, very late into the transfer window. That's not the hallmark of a club with a vision & a plan. & that's something you should be concerned about.
He was poor in possession, but I thought he was sound off the ball.
But you can also build a team when quality leaves. Good teams can remain good even if talent leaves.
He's been a slow starter for the past couple of seasons. He's good for the first few months. It's usually around December or January when he kicks on and is excellent.
Man for man, they don't really have a better squad, what they have is an absolutely talented manager who knows how to get the best out of what he has.
Yep, he was particularly great during the last few games of last season.
Indeed. Rodgers is a great manager, you're in good hands under him. However this idea that no team can dominate the league again is flawed and relies on yourselves and Arsenal staying competitive. I mean, do you see United, City or Chelsea selling their best players? It doesn't happen and that's the difference.
You know I originally thought 'nothing special again' until I saw clips and went over his stats for the game. Time and again he swept up covering for others (7 times I think it was) made 3/3 tackles and so on .... I admit his passing was crap in the first half but improved considerably in the 2nd. I gave him 6.5 / 10 but I may have been a little harsh after seeing all the evidence.
Yes, but there's only so many players you can lose as Arsenal have found out over the years. Even Wenger has struggled when he's lost players. How many times have they wanted him out?
This is actually very important because if you have noticed both Henderson and Allen do all the running in front of him most of the time, enabling him to do his stuff ..... though we do have Emre Can who can do the same job as Allen/Henderson and who has looked very good in his cameos so far.
On paper I think it's a terrible squad, Liverpool fans have been going on about how shit our midfield is, they have Gerrard/Jordan Henderson and Tom Cleverley's sidekick, Joe 'the crab' Allen.
You, my good man, are simply an impostor as a fan of football. You simply are incapable of comprehending what constitutes a good footballer. Best go support your local marbles or ladies netball team.
Henderson has been excellent for over a season now though and Allen is a decent player. Liverpool have pace everywhere and pace frightens teams to death.
Isn't that the case with a lot of superstar signings though? there's a lot more to them than your run of the mill signing. Big money involved, drawn out talks ect.
Fair post though, money doesn't solve everything.
How many top players have Borrusia Dortmund lost over the years ?
I'd still back them to beat any of us PL teams in a competitive match.
Great manager you see.
Yeah, but we're talking about dominance aren't we? winning titles?
Go the way of Arsenal and you'll be waiting even longer.
TBF, we did leave it late in signing Balotelli, so that probably negates the final point of my post.
What makes these 3 Liverpool midfielders i named such good footballers then? Enlighten me.
Explain how they are better footballers than Di Maria/Carrick/Herrera, you know Manchester United's shit midfield?
Pace is one thing they do have, for me their whole team revolves around Sturridge/Sterling and possibly now Balotelli (was Suarez last season).
Their midfield is poor though and is going to be exposed badly in the Champions League in the same way Manchester United's was at times in the Champions League recent seasons, Madrid/Barcelona/Bayern midfields will go through Jordan Henderson/Joe Allen like they aren't even there.
That may be the case but United under Ferguson (latter years) also proved that a great midfield is not the be all and end all in the Premier league.
Nobody said anything about being better than Di Maria.
This post just compounds the complete ignorance of football you've shown in your first post just above. Your head is already way way below ground level .. stop digging, please, it's embarrassing.
This is a football forum, a place of different opinions and a place to have debates on opinions, I've explained why i think what i do and i gave you an invitation to reply and tell me how wrong i am, you refused and carried on e-crying = If I'm digging yours is already dug, go have a lie down.
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Liverpool's midfield has the job of pressing the opposition, winning the ball, & re-cycling it as quickly as possible to the attacking players. It's working very well for us so far, so we don't give a shit if United supporters think they're not as good as Manchester United's.
What you seem to forget, is that those 3 teams don't have the intense competition United face week in, week out, playing the PL. They are all significantly richer than the rest of the other clubs playing in their respective leagues, whereas United have to compete with Chelsea & City on that score. Arsenal are no paupers now either. & we're making great inroads into the commercial world of football. We now have owners who are addressing the failings of past regimes. They've recognised we have massive worldwide appeal, & are taking full advantage. Add to that the extra revenue that will be generated with the Anfield extension, along with a very good side, & I think you'll find your future ain't quite as cut & dried as the likes of Bayern, Real, & Barcelona. As for this doom-mongering stuffThat's brilliant coming from you lot. We're finished now that Suarez has left. Ain't that right ?
For all your banging on about how much money you've got, you'd happily swap the likes of Falcao & Di Maria for Carrick & Welbeck if it meant Fergie still being in charge. So I have to chuckle at people claiming we're running scared of United spending crazy money on last minute signings. Like I say. It's how we perform that will shape our future, not Manchester United's transfer policy. As it stands, I'd say we're far happier, & more confident, than any United fan at this moment in time.
I think you missed the part where I said I don't crave instant or constant success. I also relish the competition in the Premier League.
I'm happy competing with Chelsea and City, especially now FFP is starting to bite and they both have to start looking at balance sheets. Liverpool too have been close to failing FFP, but until now didn't have European football. You also have a fairly unambitious scaled back stadium plan which will take you to a fairly mediocre capacity, and a business model that seems to rely on regularly selling saleable assets. I'm much more comfortable with our situation on that particular front.
Ferguson was undoubtedly the greatest manager ever, but he's gone now. I don't look around seeing loads of United fans pining for him to come back. It's accepted. Looking back at the past is the hallmark of misty-eyed people like you. There's absolutely no way I would want to see Fergie U-turn and come back now. It's done, that chapter is over, and a new one begins. The unknown is exciting, and it's impossible not be excited by our new-found ambition in the transfer market.
I think you protest too much about not running scared and how not bothered you are. You've spent a good portion of your time over the last few days telling anyone who'll listen how unbothered you are. There's a better way to show you don't care and it doesn't involve telling everyone every 5 minutes that you don't.
You sure know how to hold a grudge. I can't have made more than about 2 or 3 posts on the signing of Mata.
You clearly have a fine memory/obsession for these things because I can't remember them myself!
Between this and your compulsive need to tell everyone on this forum how unbothered about United you are, take my advice and re-evaluate how you spend your time redman.
I've fecking had to. Seeing as a lot of United fan's responses to my posts are along the lines of us Liverpool fans are running scared because you're spending big money. Hardly surprising I suppose. It's not like you can point to any league table over the past 12 months or so as some sort of retort.
And nor can you. Your 2nd place failed attempt to win the league holds no water here. You failed a little better than us, that's all.
And nor can you. Your 2nd place failed attempt to win the league holds no water here. You failed a little better than us, that's all.
All depends which you look at it I suppose. We exceeded our aim of grabbing that 4th place. How did your expected title challenge go ?
Herrera has a lot to prove before he can be deemed better than Henderson in this league.
great banter in here.Still expect Liverpool to pip us to a higher league position. It will take time for LVG to get the best out of our lot especially the new arrivals.
Shite.
I popped in as my name was mentioned, I was quite happy leaving you be, on arrival the player comparison war was in flow and I am more than happy to provide my comments also. What is abundantly clear is that Liverpool fans now feel they are ahead of United and last years league positions would seem to back that up if you want to look at extremely short term (scousers now ignoring history hmmm, why ?) What is also abundantly clear is that Liverpool are currently playing the better football but from a set of fans who experienced Daglish II and Hodgson's reigns of terror you know a good part of the reason why.
Let's go beyond one season and look at the bigger picture, United on and off the field have been steadily moving away from Liverpool for the past 20 odd years to a point where the sizes of the two clubs are no longer even comparable. United as a company is a corporate monster, one of, if not the, largest in Europe, it is not (to use a quote from this very thread) "playing catch up" Liverpool are still behind United in the grand scheme of things and still quite a long way at that, Moyeseffect might have shaved a couple of years off in your favour but a considerable gap still remains. Just to back up the point here, you have Champions league football and the best player you could attract was Balotelli, United on the other hand without CL managed to attract $ two of the worlds best players and one of which Liverpool themselves went in for (despite desperate cries to the contrary).
Going back to the squad war, those United players from last season are broken, a few of them deadwood for sure but there are still some top players in the squad and once the ship is steady you will start to see some of the old qualities or LvG will pack them their bags, of those that faced MK Dons the survival rate is very low.
So in summary yes Liverpool are playing good football, better football than United certainly but as last season showed it means nothing without trophies, as it stands you have won nothing since the resurgence, and until you have, and are maintaining it you're still playing catch up. Arsenal have been winning the "playing top football la" trophy for the best part of a decade now and if you want an insight into how most United fans view Liverpool at the minute then just look at your own views on Arsenal as serial chokers.
You do seem to obsess on kraftwerker though mate, noticing his absence and mentioning him here and there, even dreaming he has a clone, perhaps drop him a pm, you never know your luck.
Pretty accurate assessment.
Liverpool fans will always think the sun shines out of their team, as United fans do of theirs. Reality, United had a shite season last year, lost lots of players that they needed to at the end of the season and are now re-building. Liverpool have been re-building for 20 years, always that last piece of the puzzle. Last season, reality hit Liverpool, when the going got tough, they bottled it. They can talk about only aiming for top 4, fact they had the title in their hands and they let it slip, just as Arsenal have done so often and we did 3 years ago for City's first PL title.
Contrary to Scouse belief, United have had lean years over the last 20 years, Mourinho first spell, Wengers early spell, but they have always come back. How many times have we heard the empire has crumbled. If Liverpool do not equal or better 2nd, having spent over 120M then Rodgers should be shot for his use of transfer funds. LVG even though he spent 150M has a bigger challenge, getting from 7th to top 4, with the majority of sides above them having stabilized or improved. Being totally biased I think LVG will be smiling in May, I think Rodgers will get found out, and it may just be that Wenger finally gets the bullet.