That's obviously not true. Net spend reflects the actual buying power of a club. There's a huge difference between having to sell players to buy new ones or just buying.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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That's obviously not true. Net spend reflects the actual buying power of a club. There's a huge difference between having to sell players to buy new ones or just buying.
And both sets of fans are wrong to have such steadfast opinions. City didn't get maximum points from Stoke. They haven't won at Sunderland in years. Arsenal didn't get maximum points from Leicester. Shock results happen.
I don't think anyone is questioning Utd can spend more than Liverpool. They're questioning whether the money has been well spent.
Absolutely, Aston Villa will throw another shocker in there somewhere too. But in general those are the places to expect the points. City away, Spurs away, Everton away are going to be tough.
Just like city did last week??. Sunderland, If I remember right, took points of Chelsea and City last year. The league is so unpredictable, that is why its embarrassing from the both the lot here, to be so sure of their team's success with not even 1/3 of the season gone.
Objectively, I think both sets of fans are happy with their own business. If Someone says they would rather have Lallana and Balotelli, than Dimaria and Falcao, then so be it. Only time will tell.
Looking at Costa and Sanchez for 10m more he's well overpriced, as mentioned English tax and a bit more.
That's sensible, now the same gesture should be afforded to United's new signings.
That's not a swipe at you btw, your one of the more reasoned posters but just picking that from your post to try and relay (in scouse) what a few manc posters have already said.
They are. Sunderland away has also been a tough place to go for teams. Either way we can't judge this Utd team and what they can achieve this season until we've had the benefit of seeing more than one of our new players on the pitch together. An already weak midfield is also going to miss it's best player when he is injured. Liverpool look quite reliant on Sterling at the minute. If he stays fit and keeps playing as he is then Liverpool have a great chance of top four. Arsenal look the weakest of last years top four at the moment.
Firstly, yay 100 pages up! And yours truly at the top!
Secondly, there's not a single team that wouldn't take Di Maria and Falcao over their own purchases. I'd argue if Falcao stays fit even Chelsea will be envious despite ending up with Fabregas and Costa.
I think wires are getting crossed here, no one is slating your purchases on face value. Its how effectively you've strengthened your team compared to the rest of your rivals that's being questioned.
Teixeira? João Teixeira? Does he count as coming from your Academy?
We will be playing one game a week, training sessions will be at peak, we really do have time, and it will eventually click, the season is staggeringly long and top four rivals will be dragged across Europe in between domestic games and playing twice a week. As we get to the business end of the season it will be no surprise if United emerge as the freshest of the bunch and with it's main 11 having spent the majority of time playing together. All the rotation is necessary with Euro demands but it does break rhythm for teams at times and if United are in touch they will be very dangerous.
He definitely shouldn't.
Perhaps it was not the point Rafateria was trying to make but Teixeira was definitely "formed" by our academy. Gutted we sold him
He had alot of fans at our forum. Glad to see he´s doing well at Brighton.I did this rough summary in another thread:
Frankly the wage element is nearly as significant over the length of a contract. In that respect the following annual wage bill deductions have been achieved in this window-
Evra £4.5m
Kagawa £4m
Bebe £1m
Buttner £1m
Macheda £0.5m
Welbeck £4.5m
Total £15.5m
Loan players also feature and Chicha will have saved another £4m. We are rumoured to still be picking up most of Nani's wages but that was the price we paid to get Rojo in and give Nani playing time I guess (may increase his value if he does well this season?!)
Older players who also left on frees / retired:
Rio - £6m
Vidic - £4.5m
Giggs - £4m
Total £18.5m
SUB TOTAL £34m / SEASON REDUCTION
Not too shabby - let's look at the other side of the equation next:
Falcao - £15m
Di Maria - £10m
Shaw - £5m
Herrera - £2.5m (seems too low but £50k pw is reported)
Blind - £2m (guesstimate - nothing in the media I can find)
Rojo - £2m (guesstimate - nothing in the media I can find)
SUB TOTAL £36.5m / SEASON INCREASE
NET SALARY INCREASE £2.5m YEAR
Frankly that is an insignificant change for a business of our size and the revolving door has resulted in a significant reduction in squad average age and increase in quality levels.
I do think too that the key thing United must attain and which Liverpool undoubtedly already have is the understanding that good teams develop.
You took Spurs apart because Sturridge, Sterling, Henderson and the rest know instinctively what runs each other is likely to make. United at the moment play mostly like a team of strangers.
Not surprising when you consider the changes in personnel, formation and general psychological landscape but I hope that in a few months we can close that gap...
You took Spurs apart because Sturridge, Sterling, Henderson and the rest know instinctively what runs each other is likely to make. United at the moment play mostly like a team of strangers.
Not surprising when you consider the changes in personnel, formation and general psychological landscape but I hope that in a few months we can close that gap...
Firstly, yay 100 pages up! And yours truly at the top!
Secondly, there's not a single team that wouldn't take Di Maria and Falcao over their own purchases. I'd argue if Falcao stays fit even Chelsea will be envious despite ending up with Fabregas and Costa.
I think wires are getting crossed here, no one is slating your purchases on face value. Its how effectively you've strengthened your team compared to the rest of your rivals that's being questioned.
Again,only time will tell.
If you had said that, these were the only players we could sign this window, almost everyone here would have taken it gladly. People keep think that we haven't fixed issues, but the thing is there are issues throughout the squad which cannot be addressed in one window. United could have brought Hummels and Vidal in as well yesterday, you know what will be the tone from rivals "Too many first team signings, will take a lot of time to gel", "Vidal is a crock". etc..,
Personally, I believe we have done great business and the best possible business given the movements this summer. The only targets which moved , I would have liked here were probably, fabregas and Kroos.
I sympathise with you somewhat, but top 4 teams are not built in a day. If you're looking to click in a few weeks or months then this season is already a write off unless one of the other top 4 clubs has an unprecedented crisis.
Which means no CL next season.
what the hell was Borini on about? 
http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...qpr-sunderland-rejection-4038558#.VAXWTfldWSo
happy to sit behind Ricky Lambert on the bench...nice one mate
http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...qpr-sunderland-rejection-4038558#.VAXWTfldWSo
happy to sit behind Ricky Lambert on the bench...nice one mate
Firstly, yay 100 pages up! And yours truly at the top!
Secondly, there's not a single team that wouldn't take Di Maria and Falcao over their own purchases. I'd argue if Falcao stays fit even Chelsea will be envious despite ending up with Fabregas and Costa.
I think wires are getting crossed here, no one is slating your purchases on face value. Its how effectively you've strengthened your team compared to the rest of your rivals that's being questioned.
You dont have any confidence that LvG knows what he is doing..just like a lot of United fans on here. I think Blind will be key to whatever way he wants to play. People screaming for CB's when we have 5 or 6 and more midfielders even though we have Blind, Herrera, Di Maria with Carrick (
who LvG rates) coming back. When van Gaal has all his pieces on the board, which he hasnt had yet, we will see how much strengthening will need to be done.
ridiculous assessment.
In all 3 matches we played what was missing was the ball winner in midfield. Not having our first choice wingbacks did not help either.
Di Maria in his first match was our best player. Nothing to click...we lack back up quality when first choices are not available.
Borini needs to learn to let go.
We didn't sell him ! He's on loan. And correct I was talking about players from our reserves/youth that can make the transition to the first team. Unfortunately for him he has substantial competition in his position though.
Well I don't really agree with this. It seems as if he never wanted to move to QPR / Sunderland on a permanent deal anyway and so just sent his agent along, with ludicrous salary demands, to placate LFC. I guess I can't blame him for not wanting to go to those clubs after Roma & Liverpool, having had a successful loan season and still being only 24 yrs old.
He may feel, after proving himself at Sunderland, that he can push himself up the pecking order here and has a kindred spirit in Mario, a fellow Italian, to learn from. Probably feels he can give it until January, at least, when maybe his options could be better or he may get a chance if Studge/Mario are injured for any length of time.
I know he´s on loan. I said i was gutted we (Sporting) sold him to your club.
Appreciate your calculations @Redguern - I do love figures and statistics !
Ha ha apologies - I didn't check your location. I think he's a lovely player with huge potential - I really hope he progresses enough to force his way into contention.
So the fact that Rojo, Blind, Shaw and Falcao haven't even played a match for you yet and that Di Maria and Herrera have 1 apiece ..... means that there is nothing to 'click' ? No adjustments or settling in required ? It's just going to happen right ?
Plus an ability to create plenty of clear cut chances and issues at the back. Reducing it to a midfield issue is missing the bigger picture of where this squad was. The new signings may solve the problems but it wasn't just a CM thing.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if we overpaid for him (United overpaid for a number of their players this season too) but that isn't relevant if those players end up doing the job the manager bought them to do within the parameters of the 'team'. Maybe Lallana was really £15m player or a £20m player, if he slots in, pulls the strings and scores the goals that BR has envisioned, then he was worth the price we paid.
those players will strengthen us. did you watch the matches?
not understanding that our problems arose from midfield...therefore 'no clear chances' and putting pressure on a make sift defence is not understanding that it is about midfield.
I didn't say they wouldn't ..they will. However what is ridiculous is to claim that you don't need time for everything to come together.
And Yes, I've seen all of your matches so far, I watch 4-5 full PL matches per weekend and highlights from the others.
the simple point is that all of the 6 players we bought will be able to inject the simple things we needed to win all 3 matches...even discounting the blatant non-penalty calls.
For example...even with our deficient midfield, we still had two clear cut chances to win the Burnley match...both made by Di Maria a newbie. One was stopped..the other fluffed.
with a better midfield....we would have had lots more chances....and at least one would have been put away.
The 'time' aspect only comes into it..where players are able to read each others play without a second thought. We have more than sufficient quality with the new players to beat any of the 3 teams we have played so far.
watch 4 or 5 matches a weekend...bloody ell...
...you have lots of time Even by Sunderland standards, he had a 'decent' season. A few pens/cup goals doesn't really prove anything.
He's not good enough and will probably make about 5 appearances max this year. Clear the club don't want him so he should have just gone. Having a 'kindred spirit' whom he can learn from is all romantic guff - wasn't Suarez a good enough role model?
That's not the point though ... why should he go ? Just because LFC want him to ? What about the contract they have with him ? Mario is just a wild guess on my behalf, both Italians so why would there not be some camaraderie ? He could have got a very decent pay rise by moving on but turned it down. You can't blame the lad if he thinks he could still make his dream work and become a regular in the squad. A striker needs that belief.
Football is ruthless and he'll only end up moving on anyway. Fair play to him for having some self-belief though.
Pretty much what I was saying yesterday about these tedious comparisons. Not only could I not give a toss about who's got the better players (on paper), I also don't really care who United sign, or how much they spend. It's what Brendan Rodgers & Liverpool do that is my primary concern. Consistency in the league should be his first priority. If we can manage that, then success shouldn't be too far away. & you get consistency by having a group of players who are in-tune with each other game after game. As a team, we're certainly further along that particular road than United at this moment in time. Maybe LVG will turn it around pretty quickly. Maybe he'll need some time to get it right. But whichever way you look at it, our destinies are firmly in the hands of those managing our respective clubs, & not so much in the boots of the players who play the game.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ryan-giggs-taunts-liverpool-saying-3335336
Came across this little gem the other day. Nice little reminder that even the very best can get it wrong when it comes to predicting the future.
I think it's a bit premature to say United have collapsed like Liverpool @redman5
It's only been one season without a league title!
It's only been one season without a league title!
Some of them need to read the OP in this thread to fully understand the direction and the path we're going to have to take to get back to the top.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lvgs-bold-approach-to-rebuilding.395958/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lvgs-bold-approach-to-rebuilding.395958/
Actually, if you read the article properly, Giggs never uses the phrase 'collapsed'. However, he does state that Ferguson will leave a good legacy, which in turn = continued success.
"Our manager is not always looking just for this season," said Giggs. "He buys players with a view to the future, which he's done more and more over the last few years.
"He's bought players like Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney, Anderson and Nani - all young players who have got the ability to go on and be better, and all of whom have done that.
"Now we've got the next batch, the likes of Javier Hernandez, Rafael and Fabio Da Silva, Gabriel Obertan and Chris Smalling, all young players who will hopefully get better over the next few years.
The thing is, none of the 'next batch', with the possible exception of Rafael, have shown anything like the long term potential that Giggsy predicted. Anderson & Nani can be discounted too. Which only emphasizes my point about the importance of managers rather than players when it comes to building great sides.
@redman5 Giggs says they will 'hopefully' get better. He doesn't predict anything?
You're making something of nothing.
You're making something of nothing.