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2024-25 Performances


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5.6 Season Average Rating
Appearances
22
Clean sheets
6
Goals
0
Assists
1
Yellow cards
5
A peach of a pass for Amad's winner and a fantastic performance overall. He's passing from the back is really important for the way we play. Easily my favorite player right now.
 
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Yes his pass entirely caught city off guard. That was as good as any play making midfielder pass.
 
Yes his pass entirely caught city off guard. That was as good as any play making midfielder pass.

He played a few those from deep into the channe, it was clearly targeted, there was on to Dalot who ws offside, one to Hojlund that should have been a penalty and the one to Amad for the goal.

He's a brilliant passer through the lines, but mixing it up with those longer ones now and again makes the opposition think, step up and he's going to hit it over the top. Don't step and it vacates the space in front for the ball to feet.
 
He has to carry the ball more, I know it's risky with a 3 man defense, but if at some point if this team becomes more solid and with more automatisms while everyone feels more confident, he has to do it.
Is noticeable that he can do more dammage with some distance shot, he has a strike in him, that he rarely uses, nor arrives closer to the rival's area.

There were moments that everyone was marked and he spot some space and he got into them and City suddenly open up. Sadly the pass after those instances the majority of times wasn't properly used or the combinations in tight spaces with current low confidence form in general made me nervous, yet it's the way to take advanatge of his extra abilities for the role, more in this very pragmatic type of matches with everyone in the pitch trying to avoid a mistake or being caught out of place.
 
Great passer and such a likeable player. Hope he can continue to adjust to the new position/role.
 
Great passer and such a likeable player. Hope he can continue to adjust to the new position/role.

He played that role for Argentina quite some times, mostly during changes of formation within a match. The thing it's that the chemistry, automatisms and type of players in the NT are different, that's the real issue, not the role being alien to him.
Ugarte it's a great pal for him, for many reasons, Licha misses the fit Casemiro a lot, the Charrua came to the rescue. I still don't feel he has that great chemistry with Harry or De Light, but they might find it on the road, dunno.
 
What’s interesting watching that is if the City defender on the far side of the box runs back with the same intensity as Gvardiol, he probably clears that.

Standards.
Can't blame him, he probably has 115 charges all running through his mind. And flashbacks of Pep scratching himself. Not a good place to be at that club.
 
That bit of touch near the half way line when they were pressing us, and Lisandro just flicked the ball neatly was absolute balls of steel. Very good game overall.
 
Trying to press Martinez has to be up there as one of the most pointless exercises in football.

Any defender will struggle with proper pressing, of course he is great but last match United didn't do it right at all, in fact one of the high points from United was how calm they avoid the pressing from City with one/twos and some piece of skill or calmly moving it from side to side, yet at the same time that wasn't vintage City pressing at all.
 
Any defender will struggle with proper pressing, of course he is great but last match United didn't do it right at all, in fact one of the high points from United was how calm they avoid the pressing from City with one/twos and some piece of skill or calmly moving it from side to side, yet at the same time that wasn't vintage City pressing at all.
Yeah, it wasn't the kind of press you expect from them, but it takes nothing away from Lisandro's skill.

He regularly just turns away from pressure like Xavi. I don't think I've seen another CB do anything like it.
 
Yeah, it wasn't the kind of press you expect from them, but it takes nothing away from Lisandro's skill.

He regularly just turns away from pressure like Xavi. I don't think I've seen another CB do anything like it.

Yeah for sure, he is great holding the ball, yet it's one of the things that him from time to time he fvck up because of being too much confident, specially in the NT. Yet of course I preffer the very rare ocasional mistake, to him be afraid when pressed, more when he adds that he many times tend to create sthg. when he beat his marker.
 
All of a sudden it doesnt matter we have three CBs, if everyone of them can pass or take the ball forward we have more options and a lot unpredictability. We need to unlock all of these patterns and then we will be rolling.
 
He does a kneee slide and one of the coaching staff joins him on the floor :lol: 4 and a half minutes into this video.

He does a kneee slide and one of the coaching staff joins him on the floor :lol: 4 and a half minutes into this video.


Like the pass to Rasmus, the camera from behind the rival's net it's great.

In any case, tiny Amad was fantastic, in the way he ran for that pass (creating it) and the way he scored, not easy at all.

PD: the nod with the head of Licha prior to send it pointing the old "pica" (run for it? dunno how to say it in english) when the kid created the pass with his diagonal it's cool to see. Love close up cameras regarding great plays to watch the little details.
 
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Great goal but the more you watch it the more you wonder how the feck Gvardiol didn't manage to clear it. Such an overrated player.

He is a very talented player, in fact in general he has been asked to do tasks that he is not accostume at all due to him be quite polivalent and skill fella.

Regarding the play itself what can be critized it's that he went for it thinking too much, afraid to actually convert an own goal, more given how difficult was to score that and that there was a possibility of Amad actually not aiming the net. Once the ball went to the net, it was too late, he tried to "play" it and in those cases it's more a bet and deal with the result than try to be neat. Yet it's not sthg to kill the guy for.
You can be more than sure that if this was City defending and Licha in the same situation went full throttle to save or die with it, people if it ends in an own goal would be killing him.
It's one of those situations that prior mistakes and the ability of the rivals in the play, are more important for the outcome than the last second of it, even if could have been save.
 
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I think Amorim has spotted his passing ability and is clearly encouraging him to split defences more often. It's partly the reason I can't understand why he's never been given a go at playing holding midfield.
 
Great goal but the more you watch it the more you wonder how the feck Gvardiol didn't manage to clear it. Such an overrated player.
Someone on here was telling me City would not sell him for £100m...

He does a kneee slide and one of the coaching staff joins him on the floor :lol: 4 and a half minutes into this video.

:lol: That's great.

@Fobal back 3 is also just much harder to press unless you push another player higher (which is probably what Amorim wants to make space) and seems a strong counter to Pep's style in general. Tuchel had that period where he knocked Pep out of the cup, beat them away and then beat them in the CL final all in a row. Conte beat Pep home and away with Chelsea first season, even in the games Pep won against these coaches it was always close, think it was KDB with a screamer in two of the 1-0 wins. Pep generally struggled vs a back 3/5 - even the CL final they won, Inter were arguably the better team over 90mins using a back 3.
 
Someone on here was telling me City would not sell him for £100m...


:lol: That's great.

@Fobal back 3 is also just much harder to press unless you push another player higher (which is probably what Amorim wants to make space) and seems a strong counter to Pep's style in general. Tuchel had that period where he knocked Pep out of the cup, beat them away and then beat them in the CL final all in a row. Conte beat Pep home and away with Chelsea first season, even in the games Pep won against these coaches it was always close, think it was KDB with a screamer in two of the 1-0 wins. Pep generally struggled vs a back 3/5 - even the CL final they won, Inter were arguably the better team over 90mins using a back 3.

Not saying that doesn't have truth in it, but City in current form it's not pressing like in the past. The good stuff its that Man Utd it's playing better from the back and Ugarte it's a great asset in roder to find a new Casemiro that can connect the mid with the defenders.
I have a lot of trust in Ugarte building a connection with Licha in such matters, even when Licha adds himsefl to the middle of the park.

Still I think Man Utd needs Mainoo to step up, or buy someone with the opposite tendencies of Bruno in order to have more control (if that player has dribbling in him too? the better). This doesn't mean letting Bruno go, less under this current state and squad, but to add another type of fella there. Maybe in Amorin's mind it's Mount, dunno if it's the right answer.
 
Not saying that doesn't have truth in it, but City in current form it's not pressing like in the past. The good stuff its that Man Utd it's playing better from the back and Ugarte it's a great asset in roder to find a new Casemiro that can connect the mid with the defenders.
I have a lot of trust in Ugarte building a connection with Licha in such matters, even when Licha adds himsefl to the middle of the park.

Still I think Man Utd needs Mainoo to step up, or buy someone with the opposite tendencies of Bruno in order to have more control (if that player has dribbling in him too? the better). This doesn't mean letting Bruno go, less under this current state and squad, but to add another type of fella there. Maybe in Amorin's mind it's Mount, dunno if it's the right answer.
Yh I don’t think it’s Mainoo or Mount for the other CM role, I think they both should be 10s. Ideally it’s someone like Vitinha - better on the ball, more possession orientated but still can cover ground/do the defensive work.
 
Yh I don’t think it’s Mainoo or Mount for the other CM role, I think they both should be 10s. Ideally it’s someone like Vitinha - better on the ball, more possession orientated but still can cover ground/do the defensive work.

I think that more than a role, meaning a 10 or a CM, it doesn't matter that much as actually somebody taking that responsability. It can be a 10, or a CM, but someone has to offer a counterpart for Bruno in style and approach. While at the same time not be burden with primarly defensive tasks like Ugarte/Casemiro.

I don't know about Vitinha, I liked him a lot when he appeared, then he went to literally shyte for such a long period during Messi's days in PSG that was painful to watch, well even Verratti whom I loved and preffererd, had quite a dip in form too in those days (plus injuries).
He has regain some of his best self in more recent times, but it's not a player I'll trust that much given his personality, he just doesn't give me the right vibes. Yet indeed he hits the profile for such type of polivalent CM, like once Verratti did yet being for me quite better.
 
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He's got good vision, but he's a terrible defender I'm afraid. He's made countless costly mistakes since his first 6 months here and hasn't been overall good enough to cover how error-prone he is. Single handedly cost us two goals today and he's done that pretty often last season and this season.

Many, many complete braindead moments and we can't afford players like this moving forward. Would sell in summer if possible.
 
Don't give a toss about his passing, this experiment with a slow, short, weak CB in the PL needs to end. Not good enough.
 
He is just not good in defending. Passing, passion, last ditch tackles...all great but he is very easily beaten when he is isolated.
 
He’s got good distribution and is an aggressive defender but he’s both slow and short which will get exposed a lot at this level. I feel like if Shaw could have stayed fit he would have a proper challenge for his place in the starting XI
 
He’s got good distribution and is an aggressive defender but he’s both slow and short which will get exposed a lot at this level. I feel like if Shaw could have stayed fit he would have a proper challenge for his place in the starting XI
He would, I agree. His ongoing struggles with consistent form are a concern.
 
Some pathetic defending tonight, few nice passes aside his performances are nowhere near good enough.