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He’s quite poor in that regard but he’s still faster, sharper and more agile than this version of Casemiro, I think you’re either overestimating his deficiencies or vastly overrating Case (at the moment). Trent is even less (quite significantly) positionally astute than Martinez and I very much doubt that he’s more agile… faster — sure.
I think your wayyy off, and Casemiro is forced to play as he does because of the chaos that ensues in the midfield. It’s race to the bottom here!
Who is the worse athlete from the two!? All of the bold, Casemiro has him in easily, imo. Put Martinez in midfield for 55min and see who is flailing more. At the start of a game when both are fresh I’ll still go with Casemiro. Faults are so much more exacerbated in midfield and being just a few steps off the pace makes you look like you’re running in treacle; there’s just no way Martinez has the superior tank to cope with repeat runs and sprints better than Casemiro, for me.The only Martinez positive from an athleticsm perspective is that he's a bit younger that he might recover better, but otherwise he'd be annihilated in midfield.I think your wayyy off, and Casemiro is forced to play as he does because of the chaos that ensues in the midfield. It’s race to the bottom here!
Martinez having more agility than Trent you’ll have to explain.
I don’t know. It’s hard to explain these things, maybe Amorim will be kind enough to provide us with some actual evidence… but Casemiro doesn’t have anything left in that supposed tank for me, regardless of whenever he’s rested or not.I think your wayyy off, and Casemiro is forced to play as he does because of the chaos that ensues in the midfield. It’s race to the bottom here!
Martinez having more agility than Trent you’ll have to explain.
Casemiro doesn’t have anything left relatively, which is important in this assessment, imo. He looks washed, in the company of midfielders going at it at 100mph and also compared to his former self, but if you put an unathletic defender in there, ask him to make the same number of runs and sprints and test his HIIT, I would expect to see a gap open up between them very quickly, personally.
And also regulate his breathing better, imo, which is extremely important in midfield.
I've mostly played 5/7 asides but have usually play CM in an 11 and holy god getting your breathing right makes such a diffence. Very hard to make the right pass after running back to close off a passing lane
And then having to hustle back to your nominal position after that! Never admiring your work or getting the chance to sneakily catch your breath!
I spent my childhood cycling and running so it was only logical that I sat in midfieldAnd then having to hustle back to your nominal position after that! Never admiring your work or getting the chance to sneakily catch your breath!
I’m in awe of wingbacks and those Cafu like fullbacks, but after them, central midfielders are something else when it comes to perpetual motion!
We probably differ in our assessment of Casemiro more than that of Martinez. I simply don’t think of him as an active footballer athletic-wise anymore, unless we’re playing in a League Cup fixture where the level is different. And I do consider Martinez to be one even though he’s way below league’s average in most athletic qualities.
Me too, but picked up the running bug about 15 years ago and a whole new world opened up in terms of breathing control and regulation. Have always been a striker, so short bursts of high intensity into leisurely strolls has been more my thing.
Nor do I, but context is important in this assessment, imo. Casemiro gets judged through the lens of the madness that is central midfielders in the PL every game and he’s clearly flagging relative to that, but he can still pull a random rabbit out the hat and output well… for about 45min. I highly doubt Martinez can give a half of football all-out in midfield in the PL. He’s blowing heavily after recovery runs in isolated sprints 1on1, and that’s with CB recovery windows. Have him run hard and concertedly for even 10min and I would expect his output to plummet.
They must have targeted that area though to have virtually identical goals, can't have been a coincidence.
I’m not sure where he’ll fit in at all going forwards as he doesn’t have the pace to be a wide CB, we need three rapid ones in there I think, it’d make a world of difference to our back line. Three Yoro’s would be great! Maybe as the central CB with his passing and 2 rapid CBs either side to cover his lack of pace, but we may as well just get 3 fast ones in to be honest.
Neither are left sided centre half’s, which will bring different issues.
the other two CBs are just too stupid, and lack defending awareness. Rio and Vidic wouldn't allow the likes of Isak and Joelington to be marked by Evra. Under Fergie, we never had set pieces or goal conceding crisis because our fullbacks were short.
He probably wouldn’t make a good CM but going off something ETH did or didn’t do isn’t a good barometer.
True but those are the current options
Well when his former Ajax manager, who has played his number 2 at 10, says it’s not a good idea I’d tend to agree that you’re all barking up the wrong tree.
Maguire is 2 inches in front of him. All it takes is basic awareness to see who is behind you. Ffs - Isak wasn't even challenging like Joelington.
Runners are for the midfielders. Isak went between Licha and Maguire and got the header in. Its a good way to unsettle a back 3 because there's a gap in ownership between the two.
Are you kidding?
The last CB is supposed to both communicate to the blindsided as well as react and sweep up, if needs be. He can see everything unfold and is fully aware of both the attacker and defender movement. Really has no excuse to do nothing.
I agree with this, but in this instance Maguire knew the threat was there too as he turned around and saw Isak was right behind him before the cross. His strength is to deal with the aerial balls so it was a bit more disappointing.
Yeah but watch it, as usual our midfielders weren't tracking. Eriksen had given up. If Maguire goes Isak it mean Joelinton is running into the area unmarked. With Martinez doing nothing.
Does that make sense? Maguire can swivel and see and try and “take a picture” but the moment he then turns back to face the ball, a smart striker peels off him using that same split second to exploit the blind spot that has materialised. Only Martinez can see what has unfolded and it is him that needs to interject and counter the striker’s additional movement.
Exactly
Agreed, mentioned in another post I don’t see where he fits into this formation.
I agree in theory but in this situation what is Licha meant to say in a matter of seconds? It was a deflected cross by which time its too late, even if Licha was communicating. Maguire knew where Isak was and so did Licha.
I notice that a lot of people are mentioning his height, but it’s his reading, reacting and positioning that are bigger problems by far. If he was sharp, he cuts across Isak and actually uses his height to his advantage, but there’s none of that with him - he’s static and often baffled/reactive, not proactive and on the ball.
His first season has already been covered pages back. That player hasn’t been seen since he returned from injury.
And yet he’s plummeted as a player. Or are you saying he’s the same guy who was proving critics wrong pre-fracture?
