Which was probably the most forgivable 'mistake' in 3 or 4 that led up to that situation in a game where he was otherwise solid.
But yeah, we clearly lost today because Martinez is a midget who can't run. Carry on.
6
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 23
- Clean sheets
- 6
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 5
But yeah, we clearly lost today because Martinez is a midget who can't run. Carry on.
- Play 5'9 CB
- "Oh we conceded from a set-piece again. Wow...I sure do wonder why."
- Continue to play 5'9 CB
On the ground he's one of the slowest CBs in the league. He can't defend wide areas, can't defend space, can't defend cut-backs.
Watching Bournemouth today, Huijsen and Zabarnyi are both absolute athletes, monsters, and ALSO good on on the ball. Meanwhile we act like Lisandro is the only CB in the league capable of making a forward a pass so we just have to deal with his laundry list of very obvious weaknesses.
Laughable situation. Truly one of the most obvious and easy upgrades in the squad.
Why does every team we play seem to have tall, fast, athletic 6 ft 4 bastards at centre half who can also knock the ball around well? Presumably they didn't spend 50m on each player like we do yet they always seem to have the complete package compared to us. Martinez is a good ball player but I just always fear him being bullied for pace and in the air.
Yeah, solid besides giving them a goal. Just like against Spurs he was solid there too besides giving them a few goals. Or against Forest, very solid besides giving them a goal. That’s just in the past month.
Because it's just obvious stuff. Carrying a physically weak player in a crucial position in the PL is lunacy.
This idea that he brings so much on the ball to our play is delusion.
Been mostly awful this year.
He more than any player in our team has to play closer to his best or he’s a liability. His physical limitations mean he has to be playing at a high level consistently.
In his first season he was a top 3 performer in every game and that’s the level he needs to be at or he’s no use. On a normal day he’s poor in the air and slow at defending the channels so what good is he if his duels, passing and clearances in the box aren’t at his top level.
Needs to be replaced in the starting lineup from next season.
In his first season he was a top 3 performer in every game and that’s the level he needs to be at or he’s no use. On a normal day he’s poor in the air and slow at defending the channels so what good is he if his duels, passing and clearances in the box aren’t at his top level.
Needs to be replaced in the starting lineup from next season.
We suffer from the let's just compensate mentality.
Sign an old player who can't run? Don't worry, just put some players with legs around him.
Sign a slow player? Don't worry, just put some pace around him.
Sign a tiny centre back? Don't worry, someone else can win the headers.
We're constantly building our team around players with major weaknesses and hoping those weaknesses never get exposed.
To be fair, his lack of height has been less of a problem than I expected. His lack of pace has been a bigger issue than anticipated though.
I do agree with this and it's been an issue dating back to Maguire being signed under Ole.
As far as Martinez goes, he's yet another poor athlete that can't really hack it consistently enough in this league to be worthy of a top team. Brilliant on the ball without a doubt, but he essentially has to defend like prime Franco Baresi with his anticipation and tackling to not end up being a liability at the back because of how little room for error he has.
We need a new LCB next season.
Living off his first season. Since then he's been either injured or bad to average.
He is not as good defensively as he was before his injury. However, his is crucial to our style of play thanks to his passing ability.
United need to get back in the mode of binning players who don't do it two years in a row.
If we can get a decent fee for him we should get rid.
If we can get a decent fee for him we should get rid.
He's been that way since he returned from injury during his first season.
Is he though? When do we see it?
Why do other sides manage to play perfectly good football without such a specialist ball player.
He's shocking. Might be good with better players around him, but he's been dog shit.
Lisandro may be wrecked.
Good points. These well run midtable sides like Bournemouth and Brighton consistently show us that there are players out there who are both good athletes and good players.
He fits in only one position in this formation and that is in the middle of the 3 CBs. Playing him on either side is misusing him because he simply is not quick enough to play in those positions. Its so easy to see yet he keeps getting played there.
If he is not the best middle CB in the squad then he should not be playing. Simple as that.
If he is not the best middle CB in the squad then he should not be playing. Simple as that.
Didn’t think he was the worst offender in that back line today.
That being said, it simply is a problem to have him in the line-up when it comes to set pieces. When forced to also play Mazraoui, we are down to just one CB that is strong in the air, and we no longer have midfielders to make up for it (like with Matic, McTominay, Pogba, Casemiro when plays, etc.).
That being said, it simply is a problem to have him in the line-up when it comes to set pieces. When forced to also play Mazraoui, we are down to just one CB that is strong in the air, and we no longer have midfielders to make up for it (like with Matic, McTominay, Pogba, Casemiro when plays, etc.).
This applies to many of the caf myths.
There are 12 better teams than us in the premier league at the moment. Somehow all of them have managed to achieve that without Lisandro Martinez and his superhuman ball playing ability.
The same case with Bruno. "Who will create our chances if we sold Bruno?" I don't know, why don't we ask the 12 better teams than us how they're coping without Bruno in their team?
Another players with some value. Shift him in January.
I do remember vividly how, in the golden days of ETH optimism, fans were calling out as philistines anyone who suggested that being good in the air, quick, and strong were necessary prerequisites for a centre half.
His problem is simply that because he doesn't have, well, any of the fundamentals of the position that he plays he has to be pretty much perfect every single game. Even dropping one percentage point from perfection and he immediately becomes a liability.
Thankfully, no one else in football seems to have cottoned on to the fact he hasn't been very good for a year. If there's a market, as much as I like him on an individual level, I think we should explore it.
Don't think you're ever going to see him do it because he doesn't have the height or the willingness to contest balls in the air and that seems to be a prerequisite.
His problem is simply that because he doesn't have, well, any of the fundamentals of the position that he plays he has to be pretty much perfect every single game. Even dropping one percentage point from perfection and he immediately becomes a liability.
Thankfully, no one else in football seems to have cottoned on to the fact he hasn't been very good for a year. If there's a market, as much as I like him on an individual level, I think we should explore it.
Don't think you're ever going to see him do it because he doesn't have the height or the willingness to contest balls in the air and that seems to be a prerequisite.
Injury ended his career
If he was actually Pirlo then it might be worth the sacrifice. But he's not - he's just an above average ball playing CB. He would look average and lost as a technical player in the midfield.
He made the same backheel today. Got lucky there wasn't anyone near to intercept it. Didn't seem in control.
Amen Brother/Sister. Amen. In my opinion in a team that is 13th, every single player should be expendable. But not Manchester United apparently.
Fair.My same argument with Bruno, people pull stats or mention areas where they are pretty good, like there are no other players out there that can do all that without the car crash shit in-between.
There are other players who can pass the ball and aren't 4ft.
Having 3 CBs on the pitch should be a strength for set pieces. Instead we've turned it into a weakness.
Deadwood
It was two injuries, the latter being an unsporting hatchet job by the West Ham player -- might have been Coufal -- who knew exactly what he was doing, and it was beyond the byline with no play on the ball being possible. A shame, as pre-injury Martinez was a fantastic defender.
It might be worth it to significantly reduce Martinez's minutes this season, now that that with today's defeat our season is shot to hell anyway except for a punt in the EL for the return to the CL.
He is playing really really bad. Shocking today
I would be looking to get rid, not good enough.
Weak link . Becoming a problem.
He's been poor for far too long now and needs replacing
Either badly out of form, just not good enough for our setup going forward, or combination of both.
Real shame to see since I really liked the looks of him in his debut season.
Real shame to see since I really liked the looks of him in his debut season.
He’s in poor form since the last injury. Getting exposed in this formation too. His ball for Amad against city isn’t enough to cover the fact he’s been defensively poor and doesn’t look as aggressive or assured under the new manager. Argh its like the impossible puzzle at this stage
A shadow of his former self. I used to love the assurance in his game and his confidence had a positive impact on the team.. not this season.