This wasn’t my impression of the game.
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Yeah seems like it
Really? That would explain A LOT.
Hoping it's him being initially tentative after the injury rather than lasting affects of the injury. Seems like he came off due to a yellow and precaution after what happened last season.
Sure he did. He was shit, just accept it.
There’s literally a quote. BBC source. No reason to disbelieve it.
Martinez had a very bad half, I thought sub was performance based. But maybe an injury influenced performance
ten Hag wouldn't have taken him off at half time if he was just shit or on a yellow card. He trusts him and Martinez is one of our key players. It's quite clear something was bothering him as Lindelof and Maguire were sent out to warm up pretty early on. Both were ready in case he didn't make it to half time.
Big open space behind his back isn’t really his strength. One of his worst performances for United, but was also let down by his midfield who allowed players come at him at full speed.
Getting sick of this guys fake hard man image. Use your brain you imbecile and stop picking up soft yellow cards.
What are you on about hard man image?
Nothing to do with anything, he just had a poor half of football. It happens. You are going to have the odd shit game and pick up the odd card as a defender. Christ.
Disagree, he's too wild in instances where he doesn't have to be.
Should have been sent off v Arsenal too in pre season after an awful tackle.
Still a bit rusty after that career ending injury.
He'll come good.
He'll come good.
So he was wild in preseason. What about being outstanding for the majority of a proper season of football last year and at no point was his decision making problematic to us. Isn't that more relevant before we make accusations of being a fake or insinuating that his tackling is problematic?
You're not going to swim without getting wet out there if you're this type of defender. Cards and misjudging the odd tackle is going to be par for the course. I seem to remember Vidic getting the odd yellow, getting turned occasionally, mistiming one or two...
Pre season?
He's an aggressive centre back, it isn't an act it's literally how he plays just like how Vidic was for us. He also has 11 yellow cards in nearly 50 games and is yet to be sent off. Hardly ill-disciplined.
The refs are on to Martinez and already started to crack down on his hard man image last season. He's a decent player bit needs to curb his unnecessary aggression like that dreadful tackle today that left him with a yellow with basically 90 minutes to play, in the modern game.
You'd have hated Roy Keane.
Keane was my favourite player.
Then you'll know that he picked up various yellows/reds that you could class as unnecessary.
I think you're just making stuff up now as his disciplinary record was fine. This hard man image is something of your own creation. He's simply a competitive defender which he has to be because he's small and not the most athletic, he can't sit off letting people run him or back in, he needs to be proactive which means that yes, he does take some risks.
He got a yellow today because he made a shite tackle. Simple piece of reffing and a poor bit of play. There isn't really any huge wider point to it except in your mind it seems.
Loved seeing him clatter in to someone to be honest. More of that sort of thing.
I did not see the turd Martinez allegedly dropped on the pitch. But the foul was out of order. That message did not need sending.
His tackle pre season versus Arsenal too can't be ignored. He has started to play up to an image instead of boxing clever( if you excuse the mixed metaphor). I genuinely had noticed it last season too.
It will become a problem if he doesn't curb this aspectof his play especially in the current climate where you get booked for a lot less than before.
Licha is a very important player in the way ETH wants us to play - stepping into the midfield a lot more. He didn't do well in that game, though. Hopefully, he gets better at it. I am not sure if his lack of recovery pace will make him suit that role, though. It can lead to him being frustrated and throwing flying tackles around. I saw him do it in this game, and even in the useless games in pre season. Some people find him competitive. I find it a bit overcompensating to some of his shortcomings (pun not intended!).
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Career ending injury ??
At the time, there was someone who jumped the gun, said he did his achilles and it was a career ender.
He was shockingly poor last night, but he's a better player than that showing so am not worried by one poor game.
Not his usual standard but not as bad as people are making out.
He's class though and I'm confident in him for the season.
Our lack of movement and speed of passing was the biggest worry last night.
He's class though and I'm confident in him for the season.
Our lack of movement and speed of passing was the biggest worry last night.
The issue is he was injured for the last months of last season. First competitive game in ages. He will need some time to get up to speed.
I didn't think he was that bad. He's by far my favourite United player.
Everyone was flat last night, the players, the stadium...everything! Best to forget about it and move on.
Hopefully Licha just had a niggle and was being precautious coming off at half time.
Hopefully Licha just had a niggle and was being precautious coming off at half time.
He struggles defending in space against superior athletes, which he probably didn’t see much in the Eredivisie but which he faces every week in the PL. Ten Hag’s deeper line last year played to his strengths, which are reading the game, getting tight to his man, and heroic box defending. But when forced to defend bigger spaces his athletic limitations become more apparent. He was only put in those situations on occasion last year (ie, when Salah ate him alive) but with a higher line it’ll happen more often. The difference in pace and power between him and Cunha was stark.
Very fair point. I do think the entire team were a couple steps short of full fitness/sharpness but I do agree with parts of your point in general regarding Martinez. I did say this in pre-season and a few posters seemed to take it personally but the reality of Martinez size is that he will have to maintain an exceptional level to make up for his size, which he did for the most part of last season, but even then I doubt if you had peak Martinez, Van Dyke, Diaz, Saliba, that anyone would choose Martinez. Not because he isn't a very good defender, but because if you are a top team you can get a very good defender without giving up on size.
The other potential issue is one of the tactics that allows a team to press high and have a high line is having aerially dominant defenders so when the opposition lumps it forward the CBs can clean up. Not saying Martinez is terrible at it but its clearly not going to be a strong point.
Agree. I think he'll get exposed often playing a higher line. Excellent on the ball but his defending is overrated on here.
Played like he had an injury and that was apparently the case. Not too worried about him, still one of our best players.
Good on the ball as always, rash for the yellow and was exposed with the open space in front of him. Not as sharp as last year.
More worried about the general team shape and lack of midfield than him.
More worried about the general team shape and lack of midfield than him.
He'd have hated every player pre-1990. the player of those days would regard the current players a bunch of soft pansies
Has he recovered?
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