Lionel Messi

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Well he wasn’t resigning until all this was he? He’s not the type. Messi has done for him. The rights and wrongs of that are up for debate and Bartemou makes Woody look competent but Messi being bigger than Barcelona is also part of their problem I think. It’s not a good situation at all.

Anyway, this is all finished now. To the Sancho thread!

He's put himself into a position where he has no choice really. That is the point.

Club is financially ruined, massive wages for a squad that is lacking, the academy is not producing, the recruitment is awful & he has just appointed a manager who has told 4 senior players to feck off and offended the best player in the world who is keeping the team afloat.

Of course Messi saying he wants to leave is the final straw. Without him the whole thing implodes.
 

Quite a few outlets now reporting it as a power play in order to get the President to step down. Unconfirmed rumours that he's agreed to as well.

I think he probably knows that his life could well not be safe if he's the man to go down in history as the man who sold Messi. Catalans already hate him as it is for the last few years and his wreck less spending.
 
It's interesting as to why Messi has that clause in the first place. Obviously he thought there may be circumstances in the future which mean he would want to leave (i.e. wasn't fully dedicated to the club no matter what).
 
I'm a massive Messi fan boy but unless we can get him on a free transfer I'm opposed to us making a move for him. It feels weird to type out those word though.
 
He is a classic Woodward signing. Over the hill but sells shirts. He plays in positions where we have good players already. Still I wouldn't say no, just for the buzz.

Surely he will go play in Italy where you can zimmer around all day and nobody cares?
 
Yeah fully expecting that Bartomeu steps down because there is no way that the board would side with him over the absolute footballing god of Barcelona
 
Barca needs this to happen IMO. They need a reset.

Forget about this season and just start focusing on the principles that have served the club well before.
 
Can’t see him coming to the premiership, but if he does maybe City won’t be the favourites.

Think about it. Pep’s tactics at City are different to when he was at Barca, you can’t carry a player in that system defensively. Everyone needs to defend from the top. Will Messi do that? No.

So they’d have to change the way they play considerably. Maybe Pep isn’t even interested. City have a clear identity to their game, worked on it for years, will they change it for Messi? It’s a big call.

Chelsea could afford him, their rigid style doesn’t suit in my opinion. Also the individual players there are very good, but I feel United have a better drawer at the moment.

United. Blockbuster signing, record shirt sales, Messi decides to prove critics wrong that he can only do it in La Liga.

We can afford him. £1 million a week for 3 years is less than the Sancho deal would’ve been. Plus we’ve already saved half of that getting rid of Sanchez.

Think of the return on investment in merchandise, globally.

Also the lasting effect on the reputation of United around the world for fans, future Lionel Messi’s. Commercially without question it would be amazing.

Now consider the playing style. Let’s be realistic here. We haven’t really got one, whereas City have a clear identity (as do Liverpool but they can not afford him).

Normally this is a disadvantage. Here it’s a clear advantage. We can build the team around him for the next 3-4 years.

Factor in Messi would have the likes of Bruno Fernandes, Paul Pogba, Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, around him. Pace, creativity, the ability to work with Messi is immense.

Joining PSG would give Messi a good chance of another Champions League medal. That is true. But on the whole it would be seen as a step backwards for his career. It’s not a challenge someone who wants to be remembered as the greatest ever would take. It’s too easy. It would make Ronaldo look superior in that respect.


Joining Juventus is another possibility. Imagine him and Ronaldo in the same team, that would be something to behold. It could be more of a lure than PSG for him.

But if he really wants to prove himself, where many people say he couldn’t succeed, in England then for the reasons above I feel that United would be the best club for Messi and Messi the best signing United could make.

Not just for the now, but the statement, the blockbuster amazement of it, would benefit United for years to come, long after Messi as it would by reputation put us right back up there with fans, sponsors and importantly future footballers, who would again dream of playing for United.

(It’s a dream Ed, but come on, make it happen!)

A very good case for us signing Messi but you forgot one thing -- our manager is Ole. After all the recent unproven manager Messi has had, I doubt playing for Ole is getting him excited.
 
He is a classic Woodward signing. Over the hill but sells shirts. He plays in positions where we have good players already. Still I wouldn't say no, just for the buzz.

Surely he will go play in Italy where you can zimmer around all day and nobody cares?

If he does leave, Inter (or PSG) is the obvious move. Extend the career in an easier league while simultaneously adding to your legacy with trophies elsewhere
 
He is a classic Woodward signing. Over the hill but sells shirts. He plays in positions where we have good players already. Still I wouldn't say no, just for the buzz.

Surely he will go play in Italy where you can zimmer around all day and nobody cares?
He's in no way over the hill.
 
Quite a few outlets now reporting it as a power play in order to get the President to step down. Unconfirmed rumours that he's agreed to as well.

I think he probably knows that his life could well not be safe if he's the man to go down in history as the man who sold Messi. Catalans already hate him as it is for the last few years and his wreck less spending.
Ah alright. I think that’s what will happen, Bartomeu will resign and Messi will be pacified.
 
It's interesting as to why Messi has that clause in the first place. Obviously he thought there may be circumstances in the future which mean he would want to leave (i.e. wasn't fully dedicated to the club no matter what).
Either a 700M release clause....or leave for free. Yeah, a bit odd
 
Reckon it'll be Messi coming to Paris and Neymar going the other way.

Messi wants to win the CL with a club that can make a serious challenge straight away. That's currently Bayern, Liverpool, Juve, City and PSG. Only the last two of them has the money.

But I don't see City paying the money outright. It makes sense for PSG to swap Neymar for him as it works out for all parties involved.
 
If you're Woody right now, what would you prefer? Pitchforks and balaclavas or a statue?
 
He might leave for free if that clause can be interpreted at the end of the season legally.

It's interesting. Would a court interpret end of May as end of August, given covid extended the season? Given that FIFA extended all the expiring contracts, my money would be on Messi winning that one.
 
Reckon it'll be Messi coming to Paris and Neymar going the other way.

Messi wants to win the CL with a club that can make a serious challenge straight away. That's currently Bayern, Liverpool, Juve, City and PSG. Only the last two of them has the money.

But I don't see City paying the money outright. It makes sense for PSG to swap Neymar for him as it works out for all parties involved.

There's no way PSG are doing that swap.

Neymar wouldn't return to Barcelona with no Messi.

It clearly doesn't work out for all parties.
 
Seems like its the new manager Koeman who has offended him
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Bet you're loving it though. Are there other sides other than Barcelona who can challenge Madrid regularly for La Liga?
I enjoy the fact that their legend and captain is the first to leave the ship, leaving through the back door, after a major defeat and after the announcement of his friend's departure. Then does he leave for the sports project or for the conversation with Koeman?
Speaking purely for the good of Madrid I prefer him to stay. Both he and Bartomeu. Although it hurts, I think they have to start from scratch.
He is amazing but old and if he stays it will mean that the players still have the power while we could see problems with Koeman and another season to the rubbish.
Barcelona has recovered from these situations before, with Rivaldo or Ronaldinho.
No, right now I think that if Madrid take la liga seriously is the most serious candidate
 
Koeman though. What an absolute idiot.

He's basically a no mark and he's come in, sacked off a load of players and upset the best player of all time to the degree that he wants to terminate his contract.

This is worse than Clough at Leeds level of misjudging your position.

Eh, the players he 'told' had no future at the club were the same players who were said to be for sale by Barcelona before Koeman even came in. The way I see it, the board had made the decision and chose Koeman to be the fall guy to deliver the news so he'd getting the brunt of the fallback - though it hasn't quite worked to plan as now Messi wants to leave and Bartomeu is getting the blame. I might be seeing it all in a naive way though.
 
If he does leave, Inter (or PSG) is the obvious move. Extend the career in an easier league while simultaneously adding to your legacy with trophies elsewhere

Yeah PSG would rain cash on him.
 
A very good case for us signing Messi but you forgot one thing -- our manager is Ole. After all the recent unproven manager Messi has had, I doubt playing for Ole is getting him excited.
Yeah I think that’s the biggest mark against United. Our whole team is too green. We could be on the road to something great with what Ole is building but (As unlikely as it is to happen) I can see Messi getting frustrated with the inconsistency of the team and Ole’s lack of experience pretty quickly.
He’ll have his choice of clubs ready to win silverware. I can’t see him gambling on closing the gap between United and Liverpool.
Best case scenario is that it’s a power play and he stays.
 
Eh, the players he 'told' had no future at the club were the same players who were said to be for sale by Barcelona before Koeman even came in. The way I see it, the board had made the decision and chose Koeman to be the fall guy to deliver the news so he'd getting the brunt of the fallback - though it hasn't quite worked to plan as now Messi wants to leave and Bartomeu is getting the blame. I might be seeing it all in a naive way though.
That's my view and a massive reason Xavi went no where near the job. The lads still got vision.
 
There's no way PSG are doing that swap.

Neymar wouldn't return to Barcelona with no Messi.

It clearly doesn't work out for all parties.
Neymar left Barca precisely because he didn't want to play second fiddle to Messi. If he gets to return as the prodigal son and undisputed number one star, it'll very much work out for him.
 
It would be hilarious if they end up sacking the manager after 6 days, I wouldn't put it past them to that also just to save their messiah
 
I'd rather sign Sancho tbh.

Messi will be on £1m a week, and probably want a 3-4 year deal to take him to 37.

While he is the GOAT he will stop somewhere, and honestly unless he has the ball then he doesn't help enough to warrant that sort of outlay.

The romantic in me says do it, but it's just way too risky.
 
Eh, the players he 'told' had no future at the club were the same players who were said to be for sale by Barcelona before Koeman even came in. The way I see it, the board had made the decision and chose Koeman to be the fall guy to deliver the news so he'd getting the brunt of the fallback - though it hasn't quite worked to plan as now Messi wants to leave and Bartomeu is getting the blame. I might be seeing it all in a naive way though.

No, that's about it 100%. There is no one who actually looks at the situation who is going to put any of this on Koeman, that's just silly. He was chosen to take on the poisoned chalice by the actual decision makers who bear absolutely all the responsibility for what's happening at the club.
 
Not sure a player should have that much power.

You're right. They shouldn't.

However if we had somebody with this much power we could get rid of the Glazers and Woodward in one shot...... If only eh? Hahaha
 
My money is on the MLS or some other league where he can go and enjoy living, have fun, but nobody cares what he does on the pitch.

Hes not going anywhere too competitive as that would risk tainting his legacy. If he goes to PSG and doesnt win them the CL, it will be considered a failed move, so they're out. Inter are too far behind Juve so I cant see him wanting to do that. Bayern cant afford him and probably wouldn't want him either.
 
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