Lionel Messi

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Marcosdeto said:
i think that having messi in the team makes them earn a lot of money
don't forget that football is a business and if they were losing money with him they would have happily let him go
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bingo. They probably talked about the money lost by not having him, and said feck no. Now they have time to prepare.
 
Marcosdeto said:
if that's so, if it was so hard to win the Scudetto, please tell me who was Maradona in Hellas Verona? or in Sampdoria? or in Roma? those three teams won the scudetto too when -as you say- defensive football reigned and was more physical
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Verona had a very Leicester like league back. Sampdoria though had an excellent squad. They had Pagliuca in goal whose probably a better keeper then all our 3 goalkeepers combined, Vierchowood had more talent then all our CBs combined as well, Mannini, Lanna and Lombardo were Italian internationals, Katanec was a good player then of course there were Mancini and Vialli upfront. If I remember well, both Napoli and Milan were in turmoil back then with Sacchi leaving at the end of the season. If they were in the right mind then there was no chance in hell that Sampdoria could beat them. I don't remember Roma winning the 82-83 season. I was too young back then.

The Serie A was tough, very tough. Players like Bergkamp and Rush would come to the Serie A and make fools of themselves. They would come to the Serie A and literally be laughed at because they were shite. Even the mid-small sides could afford big talent like Baggio, Batistuta, Careca, Dunga, Zico, Platt, Gazza etc. At one point things got so silly that a Hagi moved from Real Madrid to frigging Brescia. Its like saying prime Modric moved from Real to Brighton. That of course came with a price as such situation wasn't financially feasable. But there is no denying that the Serie A of the time was probably the most difficult league the world had ever seen. Even the likes of Van Basten, Vialli and co would struggle scoring more then 18-20 goals in it
 
devilish said:
Verona had a very Leicester like league back. Sampdoria though had an excellent squad. They had Pagliuca in goal whose probably a better keeper then all our 3 goalkeepers combined, Vierchowood had more talent then all our CBs combined as well, Mannini, Lanna and Lombardo were Italian internationals, Katanec was a good player then of course there were Mancini and Vialli upfront. If I remember well, both Napoli and Milan were in turmoil back then with Sacchi leaving at the end of the season. If they were in the right mind then there was no chance in hell that Sampdoria could beat them. I don't remember Roma winning the 82-83 season. I was too young back then.

The Serie A was tough, very tough. Players like Bergkamp and Rush would come to the Serie A and make fools of themselves. They would come to the Serie A and literally be laughed at because they were shite. Even the mid-small sides could afford big talent like Baggio, Batistuta, Careca, Dunga, Zico, Platt, Gazza etc. At one point things got so silly that a Hagi moved from Real Madrid to frigging Brescia. Its like saying prime Modric moved from Real to Brighton. That of course came with a price as such situation wasn't financially feasable. But there is no denying that the Serie A of the time was probably the most difficult league the world had ever seen. Even the likes of Van Basten, Vialli and co would struggle scoring more then 18-20 goals in it
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Your post is excellent. But i’m not questioning the strength of the serie A, just the idea that only Maradona could make a lesser team win it.
 
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LucasXXII said:
I think it's similar to why lots of people prefer Batman to Superman or Iron Man to Captain America. Messi has a cookie-cutter public personality that tries to do no wrong and has no edge to it - that's enough to make a lot of people dislike him.

In most mainstream TV shows nowadays the main protagonists tend to have many flaws (like someone you'd met in real life often does) and are quite often antagonistic and combative. In contrast, the public personality of Messi (or shall I say lack thereof) can often be seen as fake and pretentious these days.

The dynamics between opinions on Messi and Ronaldo is also far from being just about an ex-United star player and someone who led the team that defeated United twice in a UCL final. The key point is that people often root for underdogs. A lot would say that Ronaldo is the underdog between the two, because football fans traditionally value passing and dribbling brilliance so much, and for this reason Ronaldo will never be as appreciated as Messi from a traditional viewpoint. The fact that Ronaldo completely revamped his way of playing and astonishingly clawed back a 1-4 deficit in Ballon d'or count is enough for his fans to view him as the greatest of all time, and desparately root for his continued success so that he can finish what he started and decidedly surpass Messi.

Yet, no matter what Ronaldo has and will accomplish, it may still not be enough to persuade the football traditionalists, simply because Messi is just too good on the ball for their opinion to be swayed. Some may also view Messi as the underdog due to his past problem with body height.
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It has nothing to do with" traditionalism". Messi is far far better to watch compared to Cristiano even in their prime. He has always been a player with magic in his feet as compared to Cristianos machine like goalscoring with little to impress in other aspects of the game. That is the simple reason why Messi will and should always be considered the better player regardless of stats.

That Cristiano has managed to earn comparisons with him despite the obvious gulf in talent is credit to his hardwork and to the social media culture of our times. Had Hugo Sanchez or Gerd Muller played in the naughties they would also be compared to Messi purely because of statistics. Although with Cristiano there is a Beckham like celebrity status that other 2 wouldn't have.
 
ReallyUSA said:
bingo. They probably talked about the money lost by not having him, and said feck no. Now they have time to prepare.
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Exactly. Without messi they would make a lot less money from shirts, publicity and tv contracts
Of course Covid will take a huge toll from Barcelona earnings -all teams to be fair- but i suppose TV viewers will soar
 
Marcosdeto said:
Your post is excellent. But i’m not questioning the strength of the serie A, just the idea that only Maradona could make a lesser team win it.
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But he did. You can still find shrines of him in Napoli. Ffs they built him shrines like he was Jesus. That's how important he was

You might deduce that I am a Maradona fan but I am not. I hated everything about the guy starting from his attitude right from his cheating, his drug addiction, and his frigging papa smurf physique that defied logic. I never loved players with shit attitude whether it was Best, Gazza or Maradona. However there is no denying that Maradona was inhuman.
 
devilish said:
But he did. You can still find shrines of him in Napoli. Ffs they built him shrines like he was Jesus. That's how important he was

You might deduce that I am a Maradona fan but I am not. I hated everything about the guy starting from his attitude right from his cheating, his drug addiction, and his frigging papa smurf physique that defied logic. I never loved players with shit attitude whether it was Best, Gazza or Maradona. However there is no denying that Maradona was inhuman.
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yes, they have shrines devoted to Maradona, in fact many argentinians friends went to napoles to visit and they tolde me that they were treated royaly just for being argentinians

one thing, you think that maradona won almost alone the 86 world cup
that same team with a very few changes and with maradona in one foot, made it to the 1990 final game
that shows that maradona had many quality players in his team
 
Messi is irreplaceable so obviously Barca will do everything in their power to keep him for as long as possible.
 
1 penalty goal and 0 assists in his first 4 games this season. I’m guessing this is his worst start to a season goals and assists wise. Don’t see Koeman lasting long there.
 
One thing I've learned is to never write off this guy.

He'll explode at some point this season but the question is, will Koeman be at the helm when that time comes?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
1 penalty goal and 0 assists in his first 4 games this season. I’m guessing this is his worst start to a season goals and assists wise. Don’t see Koeman lasting long there.
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I didn't watch Barca's last game but I saw all the others. He's been playing well enough and setting up chances, but there's an obvious tactic of not looking for him all the time which could be a negative on his stats but is a better tactic if Barca want to play as a team again. Sure the goals and assists will come sooner rather than later.
 
sun_tzu said:
Will he last till the transfer window?because I expect messi to sign a pre contract with somebody in early January
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Surely they will call elections early. New president and Xavi confirmed for next season might convince him to stay but yeah seems the Man. City move was just aborted by a year and he's got more time to sort stuff out for his family who weren't happy with him deciding to leave.
 
FootballHQ said:
Surely they will call elections early. New president and Xavi confirmed for next season might convince him to stay but yeah seems the Man. City move was just aborted by a year and he's got more time to sort stuff out for his family who weren't happy with him deciding to leave.
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Possibly but im not sure who can call it early (does it have to be the president?)
Even if they did there is only 10 weeks or so till he can sign a pre contract... suspect negotiations with City psg Chelsea juve inter etc are all well advanced by now
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Im not writing him off! Those stats suggest something is still very wrong there though.
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I agree with you, something is definitely wrong as the guy doesn't even wanna be there.

But his talent will push him to explode at some point this season and I sure do hope we are not on his path at that time.
 
Adisa said:
Barca should have negotiated with City.
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And he'll probably sign a pre-contract agreement with them in the winter transfer window.

There is no structure at that club, it's all brand. When you see the figures the PL commands, it's no wonder Barca execs want a super league.
 
Still hasn't scored against Real since Ronaldo left Real.
 
Samid said:
Barca messed up big time. Should have cashed in.
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Was never going to motivated this season after the saga, should have let him go indeed.

They only kept him for marketing reasons, both for FCB and the league in my view.
 
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