Life after ETH — the next United manager

If we sack ten Hag who would you want as manager?

  • Massimiliano Allegri

    Votes: 24 1.7%

  • Rúben Amorim

    Votes: 291 21.1%

  • Michael Carrick

    Votes: 33 2.4%

  • Roberto de Zerbi

    Votes: 18 1.3%

  • Thomas Frank

    Votes: 70 5.1%

  • Sebastian Hoeneß

    Votes: 59 4.3%

  • Eddie Howe

    Votes: 6 0.4%

  • Simone Inzaghi

    Votes: 66 4.8%

  • Andoni Iraola

    Votes: 36 2.6%

  • Thiago Motta

    Votes: 8 0.6%

  • Julian Nagelsmann

    Votes: 255 18.5%

  • Graham Potter

    Votes: 26 1.9%

  • Ruud van Nistelrooy

    Votes: 30 2.2%

  • Marco Silva

    Votes: 8 0.6%

  • Xabi Alonso

    Votes: 217 15.8%

  • Xavi

    Votes: 58 4.2%

  • Kieran McKenna

    Votes: 81 5.9%

  • Unai Emery

    Votes: 90 6.5%

  • Fabian Hürzeler

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Total voters
    1,377
redcucumber said:
Where did I ever say anything about ten Hag? I've been ten Hag out for over a year! ten Hag being incompetent doesn't suddenly mean Ole wasn't also incompetent. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Both were/are shit, and neither were/are good enough for United.

As for the Ole ball being enthralling - I don't agree with this. We had some great periods but it was obvious we didn't have a proper robust plan, and it never felt sustainable. Which it wasn't.
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Sorry - didn't mean to imply you'd mentioned Ten Hag, just asking a couple of questions, but main point being that ETH has made Ole look better than he was - I obviously don't think he was bad, because I remember the excitement coming back, which we hadn't had for ages. When it went wrong, it went very wrong, but was still overall better than anything else - Jose was better trophy wise, and LVG won a trophy, but the games were generally dire. As were Ole's at the end, but at least we had some Fergie type time.
 
When I first saw the title I thought Ten Hag had already been sacked. It seems ridiculous to discuss a hypothetical future without him. Why not focus on Life with ETH and what lies ahead with him at the helm.
 
Interesting to see Graham Potter in the news today about being ready to come back to football.

Could see him being considered as a guy to build from or even stay if he does well. Think some of the Ineos group like him but probably not a first choice for others. Probably best to go for a German/Spanish/Italian?
 
red.knight said:
When I first saw the title I thought Ten Hag had already been sacked. It seems ridiculous to discuss a hypothetical future without him. Why not focus on Life with ETH and what lies ahead with him at the helm.
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Because in a few weeks, hopefully days, he’ll be gone. Fans giving him a virtual reach around isn’t going to make him good enough all of a sudden.
 
soapythecat said:
Because in a few weeks, hopefully days, he’ll be gone. Fans giving him a virtual reach around isn’t going to make him good enough all of a sudden.
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we can keep reacting after every draw but I dont believe Ten Hag will be gone in a matter of weeks or days. The team is playing well, creating chances and the goals will come sooner or later. Theres a reason the football minds at INEOS extended his stay and rightly so.
 
Livvie said:
It's a thing because whether you like it or not, ETH has made Ole look good - are you saying that we haven't been battered under Ten Hag? At the time Ole was sacked, it seemed like the right thing, and maybe it was - but we had some great times under him and there was a bit of a spark amongst the supporters that we hadn't had since Fergie's last season. Ole's biggest mistake, or one of them, might have been not subbing DDG in the UEFA final - we came so close to winning that, and if we had, Ole's tenure would be viewed differently. As it is, his record is only bettered by Jose, but what Ole can claim is that he is the only manager since Fergie who gave us a bit of belief and many of his games were a bloody sight more entertaining than anything served up by any United boss in the past twelve years.
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Is Ole the right man to bring the glory days back to Utd?

If the answer’s no then why on earth are we even talking about him?

If the answer’s yes then I’d recommend looking up that well known definition of insanity.
 
red.knight said:
we can keep reacting after every draw but I dont believe Ten Hag will be gone in a matter of weeks or days. The team is playing well, creating chances and the goals will come sooner or later. Theres a reason the football minds at INEOS extended his stay and rightly so.
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We really are not. Even the xG suggests that we are currently 6h in the table. After 3 years and 600 million spend we are still struggling to create chances. That's been a problem since his first season in charge and this problem still hasn't been rectified.

ETH has been grinding out results based on his defensive solidity and individual play: i.e. Rashford and Bruno's form. When those 2 declined last year and our defensive stability crumbled, you could clearly see that we were playing like a bottom half team despite outspending everyone in the market bar City. I always want my manager to play proactive football. I'd rather have our games finish 3-2, 4-3, 4-4 rather than grinding out 1-0 wins. And for me ETH clearly ain't the one to do that.
 
Zumbi said:
Is Ole the right man to bring the glory days back to Utd?

If the answer’s no then why on earth are we even talking about him?

If the answer’s yes then I’d recommend looking up that well known definition of insanity.
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How can you tell when someone is joking or being sarcastic in a discussion? No one in their right mind would seriously think Ole could return to United as the first team manager.
 
red.knight said:
How can you tell when someone is joking or being sarcastic in a discussion? No one in their right mind would seriously think Ole could return to United as the first team manager.
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Have you seen the posters on these pages!? Sadly they’re not all sarcastic.
 
And McKenna. No idea if he’ll show positives but (like players), we can’t just look at the proven options, we might have to/want to take the risk on the next new thing. I don’t think Ipswich’s league position in isolation will be the determining factor

Could be another United linked option who does diddly, could show attributes which (with a better squad/board), show promise
 
redshaw said:
Interesting to see Graham Potter in the news today about being ready to come back to football.

Could see him being considered as a guy to build from or even stay if he does well. Think some of the Ineos group like him but probably not a first choice for others. Probably best to go for a German/Spanish/Italian?
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He’s right up there with Southgate in terms of my least desired manager. He spoke like an absolute goon at Chelsea
 
redshaw said:
Interesting to see Graham Potter in the news today about being ready to come back to football.

Could see him being considered as a guy to build from or even stay if he does well. Think some of the Ineos group like him but probably not a first choice for others. Probably best to go for a German/Spanish/Italian?
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As part of a team potter would make a good coach, that's where he excels, not solely as a manager, with the clubs structure do we actually need a full manager, or just someone to train and pick the team
 
Manchester United job is too big for the likes of McKenna, Carrick, Potter, De Zerbi, Southgate. They are yet to prove they can handle extreme pressure under extreme spotlight. Say, if Klopp and Guardiola are untainable, the next batch of managers should be looking for Emery, Simeone, Inzaghi, Tuchel these are managers i feel ready to make a step up. People need to stop picking randoms/flavour of the month, this club needs an experienced head even the young Alex Ferguson was an experienced manager who was punching above his head with Abeerden, and i think the only one with similar quality of him today is Simone Inzaghi.
 
Leethal said:
I remember. Just better than you do, apparently. As I recall our bench being absolutely gash.

What would you have done?

Take off Rashford, Mason Greenwood, Bruno and Cavani for Dan James, Amad and Donny Van de Beek?

Or how about Paul Pogba for Fred?
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Sure you do.

I dunno mate. I probably wouldn't have waited until the 100th minute to make a sub though.

Villarreal made their first change after 60 minutes, then made 4 more changes before Ole made his first sub. The team was gassed, you could literally see it.

So any change was probably better than no change, fresh legs and all that. Not like whoever we had playing was making much of a difference anyway.

But yeah, whatever.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
The same amount of time of any normal club when they realise it’s not working.

I highly doubt West Ham will give their manager 3 years just because if results continue on the same path; and that’s West Ham.
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West Ham just sacked their most successful coach they've ever had. He brought them their first European trophy.

Sentiment seems to only be a thing amongst this fanbase, and when you say "you know what, this guy isn't the right guy for us" you get labelled as toxic.
 
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Salford_Red83 said:
Sure you do.

I dunno mate. I probably wouldn't have waited until the 100th minute to make a sub though.

Villarreal made their first change after 60 minutes, then made 4 more changes before Ole made his first sub. The team was gassed, you could literally see it.

So any change was probably better than no change, fresh legs and all that. Not like whoever we had playing was making much of a difference anyway.

But yeah, whatever.
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This was his bench that day:

Grant, Deano, Maguire (half fit), Telles, Williams, Tuanzebe, Mata, Fred (half fit), Amad, James, Matic, De Beek.

Not like we were littered with class players werent we? In fact not many of them were game changing players at that point (Mata maybe in 2016). I said this, Ole made the squad look better than they actually were. Can you imagine Ten Hag with McFred as the base of his midfield? He was lucky enough his first choice, FDJ was untainable but still got the best DM in the world as replacement, Ole? The club refused him Grealish and gave him De Beek instead lololol, refused him Halaand and gave him Ighalo, asked Rice, Bellingham, Carmavinga and got no one, lololol. Now that was the level of support Ole got from Woodward and Mourtough.
 
red.knight said:
we can keep reacting after every draw but I dont believe Ten Hag will be gone in a matter of weeks or days. The team is playing well, creating chances and the goals will come sooner or later. Theres a reason the football minds at INEOS extended his stay and rightly so.
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What do you all think would lead to him getting sacked by this international break? And how about the next one?

This coming break (starting October 7th): I think he would likely be fired if we lose the next 3 games (Spurs, Porto, Villa). There's still a chance we'd keep him, but things would be pretty bleak if that happened. That said, I expect/think we pick up at least 3-4 points over those games; hopefully more. I think as long as we don't lose the next 3 ETH is okay through the first break.

Next break (starting Nov 10th): This is the last break before a very long stretch (the following international break is not until mid-March). For that reason I feel this could be a time to make a move if we kept struggling. There will be 7 games in this October/November period and the schedule is fairly easy (3 of 4 Prem games at home with Chelsea the only top side, Fenerbace, PAOK, and an EFL Cup game). I think over the 10 game stretch leading up to this point (3 games before break #1, 7 games before break #2) we need to win 6+ or it's likely ETH gets sacked. 4-5 wins could be salvageable but we're looking uphill in the Prem with that and probably would have had a couple disappointing games.
 
Didn’t follow Ruud’s managerial stint at PSV - when Ten Hag deservedly gets sacked, would he be a decent choice until the end of the season?
 
De Zerbi started sulking at Brighton because he wanted more control over transfers despite knowing exactly what he'd signed up for. It would make no sense to come here at the point where we've started taking those decisions away from the manager.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
De Zerbi started sulking at Brighton because he wanted more control over transfers despite knowing exactly what he'd signed up for. It would make no sense to come here at the point where we've started taking those decisions away from the manager.
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I think it was a bit more than that. He wanted to build a team to compete, not make a profit. I don't think that's so outrageous. They have had some top players there recently, if they could have built on it then who knows where they would have been now? He had the rug pulled from under him a year ago with the sales and signings they made. I get why they're doing it, but as a coach that wants to win it's very counter productive.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
De Zerbi started sulking at Brighton because he wanted more control over transfers despite knowing exactly what he'd signed up for. It would make no sense to come here at the point where we've started taking those decisions away from the manager.
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Also he supposedly had talks and they broke down before he took another job. So I’d imagine they’ll already know that one isn’t happening. It was the most doable appointment on paper
 
pocco said:
I think it was a bit more than that. He wanted to build a team to compete, not make a profit. I don't think that's so outrageous. They have had some top players there recently, if they could have built on it then who knows where they would have been now? He had the rug pulled from under him a year ago with the sales and signings they made. I get why they're doing it, but as a coach that wants to win it's very counter productive.
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He knew what he was signing up for when he agreed the deal. To throw toys out the pram after a season doesn't put him in good light. That's why he's at Marseille.
 
red.knight said:
we can keep reacting after every draw but I dont believe Ten Hag will be gone in a matter of weeks or days. The team is playing well, creating chances and the goals will come sooner or later. Theres a reason the football minds at INEOS extended his stay and rightly so.
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It's not reacting after every draw. It's reacting after our worst ever premier league campaign under his stewardship and then a continuation of that form into this season.

He's had plenty of leeway, now was the time to deliver and he hasn't. It's best he's moved on.
 
No thanks to De Zerbi. His approach to managing you know who

“I’m not paying attention to their private lives”

“Now he’s scored that will end all the outside controversy”

not to mention sarcastically thanking United for selling him

No to this twat managing our young players
 
DevilRed said:
If we actually had some bollocks we'd try to bring in Klopp.
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He’s practically a Scouser through and through at this stage, I reckon only City of any English club could get him and that’s only because they’d offer him 20x his salary at Liverpool and somehow manage to fudge the numbers for PSR
 
I'll never stop saying it, We need Tuchel. The fates have been kind to us to keep him unemployed for this long so INEOS need to buck up and go convince him to join. His character is what this squad needs now. I don't care if he only lasts 2/3 seasons because a season is enough to fix the glaring issues with this squad (lack of basic football intelligence on a systematic level) we have very good and technical players playing in a system that exposes their weaknesses instead of accentuating their strengths.
 
Life after will be the same as now, difference will be some might win minor trophies and some losers will win feck all just like in a past post SAF.
 
In my opinion we should get a manager

a- whose style would fit to the players we've got
b- who ideally understand the EPL, its tempo and its physicality.
c- whose best years are ahead of him

Honestly I can't think past Unai Emery. He utilize a sort of 4-2-3-1 system, he's been successful at Villa and he also understand the pressure of managing a top English side
 
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