Lenglet (Sevilla CB)

Invictus said:
Same here. Lenglet is a good prospect with a reasonable clause, but among French youngsters, Hernández and Pavard seem to be different gravy on the basis of their respective performances last season. Have integrated quite well into the French national team setup as well — which speaks to their composure under pressure.



That's Blanc-esque, and would be revolutionary in our team. :drool:
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Now that's one hell of a pass!
 
Cliche Guevara said:
If Spurs take up the option of a further year he has a release clause of £25m next summer.
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I know, what I meant was Levy wouldn't let that happen, he will sell Toby before the clause gets activated. So Toby will be sold this summer.
 
izec said:
Will cost quite a bit too, Stuttgart wont sell for cheap. Lenglet has the advantage that we played against Sevilla and Jose could see him up close, when scouting and preparing before the games and then during the games. And he played well and looked a monster at OT to be fair. I think that has some impact in the decision making for going on a CB (Same for Toby).
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Is Stuttgart that rich? I think we offer 50m euros and they will bend over.
Invictus said:
Same here. Lenglet is a good prospect with a reasonable clause, but among French youngsters, Hernández and Pavard seem to be different gravy on the basis of their respective performances last season. Have integrated quite well into the French national team setup as well — which speaks to their composure under pressure.



That's Blanc-esque, and would be revolutionary in our team. :drool:
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Yes, Pavard looked very good the couple of times I've seen him play, and looked solid even as RB for France. Hernández on the other side I feel is over hyped, although it was mostly at LB so I'm not sure yet.
 


I had blanked this match from memory, but I didn't realise just now how goddamn good he was against us.
 
Not sure why but reminds me of Johnny Evans in that YouTube video.
 
Lucas Hernandez and Pavard looks like top prospects too. What on earth are they feeding their talents in France?

Would be quite a surprise if we turned our heads from Alderweireld to Lenglet. If we need an experienced head in there Lenglet is probably not the one.
 
Gordon S said:
Lucas Hernandez and Pavard looks like top prospects too. What on earth are they feeding their talents in France?

Would be quite a surprise if we turned our heads from Alderweireld to Lenglet. If we need an experienced head in there Lenglet is probably not the one.
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He's almost 23 he isn't a baby
 
AKDevil said:
Tbf he’s not bad and pretty close I would say. One of top two CBs in the league, same status Rio/Vida would have had in their time.
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Yeah because the standard (themselves) in their time was much higher. He's good but he's not even close to their level.

Just out of interest, who do you consider the other top CB in the league?
 
AKDevil said:
Tbf he’s not bad and pretty close I would say. One of top two CBs in the league, same status Rio/Vida would have had in their time.
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Rio and Vida was the best CB partnership in world football, never mind the league. They took turns on being the best individual CB in the world as well. I like Alderweireld and all, but he's not even top 5 in world football. I would definitely like us to get him, but let's not get carried away with how good he is.

As for Lenglet, I think he would be a decent option. We need a leader in the defensive line, and he's probably not that just yet. But imho there are more important areas for us to spend big, so if Alderweireld's price tag gets in the way of other important signings, I'm happy if we go for someone cheaper and less experienced with good potential like Lenglet.
 
I really liked the look of him when we played Sevilla, he was almost flawless defensively. At just 23 he has plenty of room to improve and at £31m it's a no brainer for me. That said, I really think we could use the experience of Alderweireld, who is obviously premier league proven and would slot straight into our first XI. The last thing we want is to sign lenglet and for him to make a couple of early mistakes only for us to resort to Smalling and Jones at the back. jones in particular simply isn't good enough at the level we need our CB's to perform at.

To clarify, Alderweireld is my 1st choice but if Levy drags it on through the summer and tries to fleece us into paying way over the odds i.e. £55m+, I'd be very happy for us to sign Lenglet.
 
Nah we need experience at the back, I'd rather have the kid from Ajax anyway
 
Maybe we want more than 1 CB, that was something I remember Castles saying before the end of the season
 
I liked him when he played against us. But we don’t need anymore young defenders especially if it just means another defender to sit on the bench and watch Jones and Smalling play.
 
Red_toad said:
? A teenager over a 23 year old, as we need experience?
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Experience as in Alderweireld or Boateng.

Lenglet is the same age as Bailly and Lindelof so if we were to buy young again id rather have de Ligt and I dont especially want him either
 
Cassidy said:
Maybe we want more than 1 CB, that was something I remember Castles saying before the end of the season
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If that's the case, I would happily sell Jones / Rojo for 20-25 million and buy Lengelt for 30 million.
Infact I would be happy to sell them both and replace them with Toby and Lengelt.
Lengelt should be happy to be third choice as he was going to be third choice at Barca and he was OK with that

Toby, Lengelt, Smalling, Bailly, Lindelof with Tuanzebe and TFM coming back from loan is a pretty good set of CBs.
One top class CB, three young CBs with high potential, experience of Smalling and then two youngsters.
 
Jesus, how smooth and composed is this guy. He'd be the perfect addition for us.
 
Experience is really overrated. Jaap Stam was 26 years old when he came to United. He was signed from a smaller side then we are but it didn't took long for him to swiftly turn a decent defence into a rock solid one. Same with Rio Ferdinand whom at age 24 took command of a very shaky defence and transformed it into something spectacular. In reality football is a very simple thing. There are leaders and there are mere followers. Defenders can turn out to be world class or they can turn out to be just decent or even mediocre. The problem is to identify which will be what. Hence why I believe that in that case a high turnover is key. If after 2-3 years of regular first team football the defender in question is still meah then he'll probably will remain so for the rest of his career. I mean, I can't really see Jones or Smalling turning into the new Vidic or Moore anytime soon.

I wouldn't mind if we see us replace one of the more experienced guys with someone like Lenglet
 
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Sanche7 said:
If that's the case, I would happily sell Jones / Rojo for 20-25 million and buy Lengelt for 30 million.
Infact I would be happy to sell them both and replace them with Toby and Lengelt.
Lengelt should be happy to be third choice as he was going to be third choice at Barca and he was OK with that

Toby, Lengelt, Smalling, Bailly, Lindelof with Tuanzebe and TFM coming back from loan is a pretty good set of CBs.
One top class CB, three young CBs with high potential, experience of Smalling and then two youngsters.
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I suspect Lengelt was only going to move to Barca if Umtiti moved on, thus meaning Lengelt would be first choice
 
Adisa said:
Alderweireld or bust imo.
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Auderweild, Boatang, Godin or Bonucci no other CB is really an upgrade on what we currently have because we require a leader first and foremost.
 
Invictus said:
Same here. Lenglet is a good prospect with a reasonable clause, but among French youngsters, Hernández and Pavard seem to be different gravy on the basis of their respective performances last season. Have integrated quite well into the French national team setup as well — which speaks to their composure under pressure.



That's Blanc-esque, and would be revolutionary in our team. :drool:
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holy shit thats a PES through ball special :lol:
 
I don’t get why people wouldn’t want someone like lenglet because we have Lindelof. He has shown us diddly squat so far
 
K2K said:
:lol:

I wanted us to sign Morgan Schneiderlin..badly!
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I was another one who thought Schneiderlin was going to be the midfield beast we'd been missing for years. I've given up trying to predict who will turn out to be good for United any more. Sanchez was another one - thought he would light up Old Trafford not stink it out.
 
golden_blunder said:
I don’t get why people wouldn’t want someone like lenglet because we have Lindelof. He has shown us diddly squat so far
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Think the problem is, we have an abundance of CBs
Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof, Blind maybe? Adding another means 6-7 CBs for two positions.
Obviously we need to sell some, but for me, I'd much rather have a proven experienced CB to put along side what we currently have.

I'd love to go all FM, sell, Blind, Rojo and Jones and Bring in Lenglet, Toby and possibly De Light, but it can't happen.
Lindelof is in that weird position where, he's only had 1 year, so will get another before he's binned

My thoughts anyway
 
Pavard or Ben White if another young(ish) centreback is going to be signed.
 
devilish said:
Experience is really overrated. Jaap Stam was 26 years old when he came to United. He was signed from a smaller side then we are but it didn't took long for him to swiftly turn a decent defence into a rock solid one. Same with Rio Ferdinand whom at age 24 took command of a very shaky defence and transformed it into something spectacular. In reality football is a very simple thing. There are leaders and there are mere followers. Defenders can turn out to be world class or they can turn out to be just decent or even mediocre. The problem is to identify which will be what. Hence why I believe that in that case a high turnover is key. If after 2-3 years of regular first team football the defender in question is still meah then he'll probably will remain so for the rest of his career. I mean, I can't really see Jones or Smalling turning into the new Vidic or Moore anytime soon.

I wouldn't mind if we see us replace one of the more experienced guys with someone like Lenglet
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A certain level of experience is good. If you are buying someone then ideally they should have proven their quality over a reasonable period of time. Most top level players do this by their early 20s. That's why most of the most expensive transfers fees ever have been for players around that age. You get the proven quality plus the physical prime. Experience becomes overrated when people use it justify buying old players whose prime years are either almost over, or already passed. Those kind of transfers are rarely good moves.
 
JarleA said:
Rio and Vida was the best CB partnership in world football, never mind the league. They took turns on being the best individual CB in the world as well. I like Alderweireld and all, but he's not even top 5 in world football. I would definitely like us to get him, but let's not get carried away with how good he is.

As for Lenglet, I think he would be a decent option. We need a leader in the defensive line, and he's probably not that just yet. But imho there are more important areas for us to spend big, so if Alderweireld's price tag gets in the way of other important signings, I'm happy if we go for someone cheaper and less experienced with good potential like Lenglet.
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I think you might think differently about Alderweireld if you saw him regularly. Class act. Got it all like VVD. Who’s your top five CBS? I’ve got Ramos and Godin for two.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
Think the problem is, we have an abundance of CBs
Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof, Blind maybe? Adding another means 6-7 CBs for two positions.
Obviously we need to sell some, but for me, I'd much rather have a proven experienced CB to put along side what we currently have.

I'd love to go all FM, sell, Blind, Rojo and Jones and Bring in Lenglet, Toby and possibly De Light, but it can't happen.
Lindelof is in that weird position where, he's only had 1 year, so will get another before he's binned

My thoughts anyway
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If we do bring in even 1 cb I expect we will see a couple out the door. Blind for me is nailed on to leave, Lindelof is like a taller carbon copy (equally shit in the air). I’d also get rid of rojo, maybe offer to Sevilla
 
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