Kylian Mbappe | PSG

amolbhatia50k said:
I think over a few seasons, the numbers are the easier thing to match. With the trend of super teams you're likely to get more 40-50 goal seasons in the future from the likes of Mbappe. It's the other stuff that will be harder to match like influence, consistency etc
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Maybe in other leagues, but teams in England have improved dramatically compared to 10-15 years ago.

You used to get people like Kevin Philips scoring 30 goals for Sunderland, that would never happen now as teams/defending especially is much better throughout the league.
 
Sayros said:
He's 19 ffs, why does everyone want him to move to Real Madrid or Barcelona already? He's got so much time ahead of him, and he's done pretty well with his career so far. I think he's doing the right thing being patient with his career and not rushing the big move.
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What was PSG then?

The 4 or 5 years after 18 is probably the most important part of his career. He's wasting years coasting in a second rate league when he should be learning new things every week in England or Spain.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I don't think many will ever get close to Ronaldo / Messi, their numbers will not be beaten for a very long time IMO.

Mbappe is fantastic to watch though, plays with speed and skill and is pretty clinical. What's not to like?.
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I like him just think people are jumping the gun. He could end up having a very average career in terms of numbers,it is quite likely.

He will win lots of titles and may be more world cups due to being in the best teams, no question about that. He could well contribute a lot of those teams too, like many other players that aren't a shoe in to be one of the greatest of all time.
 
B20 said:
we scored the opener from a Robertson cross. Mbappe was jogging and nowhere near his man who had acres of time and space to whip it in.
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so if in that instance Mbappe, Cavani and Neymar all just stay up the park and don't defend and then PSG just miss the midfield out and go direct to those 3 and robertsons cross is cleared up to them you still think pools 2 full backs are going to bomb forward every chance they get ?
 
The thing with Mbappe is that his close control in tight spaces is not as good as that of L. Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho or even Neymar when on form. He is more like young Cristiano in this regard. The question is whether he will be determined to improve on his game and be mentally tough like Cristiano. Right now he is far better than Cristiano at 19 though.
 
11101 said:
What was PSG then?

The 4 or 5 years after 18 is probably the most important part of his career. He's wasting years coasting in a second rate league when he should be learning new things every week in England or Spain.
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That’s a bit arrogant. What’s he going to learn playing against Huddersfield or Cardiff etc? He’s already made his mark at a national competition and has scored goals in the Champions League. I’d hardly say it’s holding him back, based on the first group game of the season.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Maybe in other leagues, but teams in England have improved dramatically compared to 10-15 years ago.

You used to get people like Kevin Philips scoring 30 goals for Sunderland, that would never happen now as teams/defending especially is much better throughout the league.
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RVP, Suarez, Kane and Salah have all had 30 goals seasons over the last 7 seasons.

Kevin Phillips had a freak season, but the goalscoring charts from 10-15 years ago don't look any different than now
 
Murray3007 said:
so if in that instance Mbappe, Cavani and Neymar all just stay up the park and don't defend and then PSG just miss the midfield out and go direct to those 3 and robertsons cross is cleared up to them you still think pools 2 full backs are going to bomb forward every chance they get ?
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Probably. Clearing long balls that bypass midfield isn't exactly the most challenging exercise.
 
I think it's a bit early to say Mbappe can ever reach Ronaldo/Messi levels. We might have to wait a long time to find players of that calibre again. We've been spoilt with those two really.

While I'm sure Mbappe will improve as he gets older, I don't think his ceiling is as high compared to his current level as most youngsters. The thing that stands out to me, apart from his obviously electric speed is his maturity on the pitch. The biggest factor is a good youngster becoming the world's best is his decision making and game intelligence. Mbappe is years ahead of where most teenagers are in that regard, so his improvement over the next 5-10 years won't be as drastic as say Ronaldo, who was pretty awful in those areas when he came to England.

He will eventually have to leave PSG as well if he really does want to be considered the best player on the planet. Of course he's got plenty of time to do that yet.
 
11101 said:
What was PSG then?

The 4 or 5 years after 18 is probably the most important part of his career. He's wasting years coasting in a second rate league when he should be learning new things every week in England or Spain.
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Paris is his hometown, he's not wasting years because he's playing alongside great players he's going to learn from, he's going to be in the Champion's League every year, and by the time he's 21-22, he will make the move to Real Madrid most likely, which is about the age most players who are world-class talented youngsters will go to Madrid. Or maybe he should have been like Odengaard or Vinicius who I'm sure have been enjoying the several loans for the former or reserve football for the latter?

Playing in Ligue 1 sure didn't prevent him from being solid on the world stage or in the Champion's League.
 
Treble said:
The thing with Mbappe is that his close control in tight spaces is not as good as that of L. Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho or even Neymar when on form. He is more like young Cristiano in this regard. The question is whether he will be determined to improve on his game and be mentally tough like Cristiano. Right now he is far better than Cristiano at 19 though.
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That is very accurate imo. He definitely will never have the type of ball control in tight spaces as the players mentioned but his explosiveness is really incredible. One day his speed will fade and he will have to improve in other areas to remain at high level. Someone like Messi will always have that ball control and playmaking ability to fall back on as his explosiveness fades away. Cristiano should definitely be the model for Mbappe.
 
I hate to say this but Mbappe has got to move away from PSG in the next summer. He is already a level above Neymar who became a bum and playing in a farmers league is not going to do him any good for his development. He has outgrown Ligue 1 and need a proper team challenging for the ultimate Champions League prize rather than slumming at the French Celtic. Real Madrid or Barca might be the most likely to sign him.
 
He's still only 19. He can play in PSG for a couple more seasons and then muscle his way out of town at 21 and still be in time to develop fully.
 
ZlatMan said:
I hate to say this but Mbappe has got to move away from PSG in the next summer. He is already a level above Neymar who became a bum and playing in a farmers league is not going to do him any good for his development. He has outgrown Ligue 1 and need a proper team challenging for the ultimate Champions League prize rather than slumming at the French Celtic. Real Madrid or Barca might be the most likely to sign him.
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Ya I don't think he needs to rush his departure. It's definitely not the greatest league however he is playing with on very good squad that is competing in CL and it won't hurt him to stay an extra season or two. The kid is still in his teens for god's sake lolol...I keep forgetting how young he really is.
 
ZlatMan said:
I hate to say this but Mbappe has got to move away from PSG in the next summer. He is already a level above Neymar who became a bum and playing in a farmers league is not going to do him any good for his development. He has outgrown Ligue 1 and need a proper team challenging for the ultimate Champions League prize rather than slumming at the French Celtic. Real Madrid or Barca might be the most likely to sign him.
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I hate to say it, but you're talking out of your arse. Was Zlatan diminished for playing in the French league for years? Seems to have had no problem coming to the Premier league and being your best goal-scoring threat regardless. He is improving every year, and learning from playing in Ligue 1 + CL. He's not this near fully developed player that's far too good for Ligue 1 (but Neymar was before his injury). The fact is Mbappe has shown improvements almost on a month-to-month basis, and that's not just playing every week and being one of the key players, but it's also who he's playing with. You're a young scorer, you can learn a thing or two from players like Cavani and Neymar (among others). If he was stagnating, you might have a point, but that's far from the case and he'll get his time in La Liga soon enough.

Also, for a famer's league as you so cleverly put it, Ligue 1 has provided some of the best talents to every other league, especially the Premier league. I actually think Mbappe would do better in the Premier league than in France, especially if he's not catering to Neymar and Cavani and has a more selfish approach.
 
I'm talking out of my arse? :rolleyes:.

Sayros said:
Was Zlatan diminished for playing in the French league for years?
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This is ridiculous comparison. Zlatan was a proven World Class player with Juventus, Inter Milan, Barcelona and AC Milan under his belt with successive league titles at all those clubs to show for.

Sayros said:
He is improving every year, and learning from playing in Ligue 1 + CL. He's not this near fully developed player that's far too good for Ligue 1
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Mbappe has become too good for Ligue 1. Let's not forget he already won the league before moving to PSG at Monaco in his breakthrough season. He isn't full developed but won't reach is full potential while playing at a poor league.

Sayros said:
Also, for a famer's league as you so cleverly put it, Ligue 1 has provided some of the best talents to every other league, especially the Premier league
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The Eredivisie is also a consistent supplier of great talent but isn't overall a good league. Your point is?

Sayros said:
I actually think Mbappe would do better in the Premier league than in France
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I agree Mbappe will do better playing in the Premier League or La Liga. Imagine him playing in Pep system or part of the Liverpool attack? Alas, if he want to realize his full potential, he has to move away from PSG. Last night showed they are in no position to challenge for the Champions League and while he is certain to win another Ligue 1 title, he may have to go to Real Madrid to win the top prize and cement his status among the GOATs.
 
Looks like the Farmers League representative is taking a massive shit on the mighty EPLEL's record champs. Perhaps City need some better opposition in the league to up it in the CL.
 
Kostur said:
Looks like the Farmers League representative is taking a massive shit on the mighty EPLEL's record champs. Perhaps City need some better opposition in the league to up it in the CL.
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Let’s be fair, that doesn’t mean anything. Unless United losing to Genk meant that the Belgian league is amazing?
 
ZlatMan said:
I agree Mbappe will do better playing in the Premier League or La Liga. Imagine him playing in Pep system or part of the Liverpool attack? Alas, if he want to realize his full potential, he has to move away from PSG. Last night showed they are in no position to challenge for the Champions League and while he is certain to win another Ligue 1 title, he may have to go to Real Madrid to win the top prize and cement his status among the GOATs.
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In Pep's system? Which role is he supposed to play there? Guardiola never favoured players like Mbappe. He probably would have to play in the same way Pedro did, not participating much and making runs behind defenders, many of those for the mere purpose of creating space for the midfield. Guardiola prefers that the FBs provide width and the wingers play centrally, you see it currently with Sane/Mendy. Mbappe is no player for a possession-oriented approach.

Klopp's more direct style would be perfect for him though.
 
Zehner said:
In Pep's system? Which role is he supposed to play there? Guardiola never favoured players like Mbappe. He probably would have to play in the same way Pedro did, not participating much and making runs behind defenders, many of those for the mere purpose of creating space for the midfield. Guardiola prefers that the FBs provide width and the wingers play centrally, you see it currently with Sane/Mendy. Mbappe is no player for a possession-oriented approach.

Klopp's more direct style would be perfect for him though.
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Yet he wanted to sign him before the 16/17 season for 40m when few people in England knew that he existed and then tried to convince him next summer to choose City over PSG. He's much better than Sterling and can play as a CF too.
 
Think he has benefited from his father being a coach.
Most quick young players have no idea how to make runs. This boy does. He's a PlayStation player. L1 and ∆.
 
Papers claiming City planning a 200mil swoop in January. Seems like a far fetched story of the highested order but if there was even the slimmest chance of him leaving PSG. Woody, fire up the windmill chasing machine.

The kid is incredible.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Papers claiming City planning a 200mil swoop in January. Seems like a far fetched story of the highested order but if there was even the slimmest chance of him leaving PSG. Woody, fire up the windmill chasing machine.

The kid is incredible.
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Pretty sure the source was the Sun. Besides, don't think we'd really be Mbappe's ideal destination if he were to leave PSG.
 
AltiUn said:
Pretty sure the source was the Sun. Besides, don't think we'd really be Mbappe's ideal destination if he were to leave PSG.
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Oh was it, that makes it even worse of a story then :lol:
Yeah he had said previously he didn’t feel United would be right for him or that he didn’t think the football here would suit him. Doubt he’ll ever end up at United but a man can only dream and hope it was just he doesn’t think Jose would be right for him and not the club
 
200 would never get him, and they will not sell him in a January if they ever sold him at all.

We would likely need to get Zidane in first before we could even think about him too.
 
Second half hat-trick against Lyon. Something else. PSG got themselves a bargain.
 
Kid is just on fire in this second half. He even tried to be unselfish after the hat trick and pass it to Neymar, but his foot is a magnet for the ball and goals right now.
 
He's been so good in this game vs Lyon especially in the 2nd half - his decision making and finishing is top class.
 
He’s no ‘promise’ he’s one of the best few players in the world already. Has been since he was 17/18 if we’re being honest.
 
We should have signed him after 16/17. Think we were linked with him. What a fecking player.
 
Rozay said:
He’s no ‘promise’ he’s one of the best few players in the world already. Has been since he was 17/18 if we’re being honest.
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True, we're basically past the 'potential' stage now already. :lol: He's comfortably in the top tier of attacking players today excluding Ronaldo/Messi.
 
IAmAWinner said:
We should have signed him after 16/17. Think we were linked with him. What a fecking player.
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Seemed the entire thinking around the attack was ‘protect Rashford’s development at all costs’ at the time.

Pretty sure we said something similar about signing Vardy a couple of years ago relating to Rashford.
 
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