Neymar did play like that, did you not watch the game? This whole game is a terrible way to make a judgement on a player like Mbappe, who has shown he can retain the ball and create danger many times in the past. The whole team couldn't string three passes together.
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Neymar did play like that, did you not watch the game? This whole game is a terrible way to make a judgement on a player like Mbappe, who has shown he can retain the ball and create danger many times in the past. The whole team couldn't string three passes together.
Erm, he did though, didn't he? In fact, he played far worse!
Lethal as soon as he went inside a bit. Incredible player, being kinda wasted out wide though credit to him he can still make it work.
I have long said he is overrated. He has the talent and he's coming along but there is still some way to go before he can be compared to Messi and Ronaldo. I think he'll get there, but only if he moves to a proper league. He needs to learn to do the right thing under pressure.
What’s so wrong with giving the ball away a few times if you’re as good as he is on the counter? As long as it’s not done in dangerous places (like for the 3-2 tonight) there’s no problem. Besides, Neymar gives the ball away a lot more than Mbappe does despite having superior technique in small spaces.
Tonight showed exactly how he’s already every bit as effective as Neymar and that he’s clearly going to become a better player than Neymar’s ever been even without having his technique in small spaces.
He's 19 ffs, why does everyone want him to move to Real Madrid or Barcelona already? He's got so much time ahead of him, and he's done pretty well with his career so far. I think he's doing the right thing being patient with his career and not rushing the big move.
The reaction when a player doesn't have a great game or even just fecks up once in a game now is crazy. Mbappe is overrated based on one game, Pogba is crap as soon as he misplaces a pass, Van Dijk can't defend because the ball unluckily richocted off him at the end, it's weird man.
It's the social media age, where everything is instant reaction without a shred of perspective.
I don't make my judgement based on this game, I always said these things about Mbappe. He is not particularly good in tight spaces and gives away the ball too easy too often. I also think that this is the reason why he is played on the right wing. If he'd played on the left, he'd have to cut in regularly. That would help him get involved more often but he hasn't got the skill set to do it, yet. So he stays out wide where he finds space and relies on his pace.
That's what I mean. He didn't play far worse than Mbappe who directly helped the opponent in scoring the winning goal. Neymar on the other hand deserves as much credit for Mbappe's goal as the latter himself and also set up Draxler with a brillant pass late in the second half. I am not saying he was great. But he certainly wasn't worse than Mbappe. The difference is, people want Mbappe to succeed and Neymar to fail and that affects their judgement.
Not at his best tonight. Had some good moments, but was stifled by Liverpool's aggressive style, which ultimately led to him losing the ball, resulting in Liverpool scoring the winner.
Be honest, do you watch Mbappe a lot? Because I've caught most of his games since Monaco, he is very good at retaining the ball in tight spaces. Like every direct, attacking players, he's going to have moments where he loses it but he is good in tight spaces. The only reason he's on the right as opposed to the left is because of Neymar, although he'd rather just be in the middle up front.
When I log onto redcafe after a game and I see a players thread title at the top I know they’ve either made a mistake or scored a goal haha. Opinion on players change after every game.
Funny since the only positive thing about his performance tonight was his goal which was created by who again?
However, I don't really care who was shittier tonight. I'm simply annoyed by all these people downplaying the one and praising the other just because of their sympathies. As it stands, suggesting Mbappe has more impact for PSG than Neymar is downright wrong and almost a ridiculous statement to make since he outperforms him in every area there is - results, dribbling, chance creation and so forth.
He may end up being the better player since I've got the feeling Neymar fecked up his career with his move to PSG, but I'm pretty certain he won't reach the heights Neymar showed briefly in his last year for Barcelona. Mbappe simply lacks the abilities and I doubt that he will improve that much technically.
Virgil?
It's mostly different posters. The ones who like the player will post when he had a great game while the haters disappear and vice versa.
Yes, I watch him a lot. Maybe it seems like I don't rate him at all, but in fact I do enjoy seeing him play and think he is an incredible talent but simply not as era defining as he is made out to be. I was much more impressed with the previous generation of great talents - Neymar, Hazard and Götze - and even they didn't even came close for greater periods of time to Messi and Cristiano heights.
Maybe we simply have different definitions of what good in tight spaces means. Of course he is not bad at it but consider the level he gets compared to.
Pissed me of likewise.
I guess he gets away with it when he plays for PSG in Ligue 1, Brazil or when he played for Barca; teams with 90 percent possession or something and that mostly just wins the ball back after losing it.
Thats not gonna happen on Anfield though; especially with such an unbalanced PSG team. Their left side was a fecking autostrada all of the game. Surprised Liverpool did not win by more.
Tuchel can shoulder a fair part of the blame for this with Neymar though. He could have played Cavani to the left and Neymar as a nine/false nine. Cavani at least does the work on the left side as he did when Zlatan was at PSG.
Stupid tactics and Neymar is a prick.
As a Liverpool fan it was great playing against him. Boy does he not track back. Neymar is getting all the flak but Mbappe was every bit as shit. Ok he scored a straight forward routine goal but then so did Milner. And Milner played 50x better than Mbaps.
I'd still love him at Liverpool obviously though. Klopp would knock seven shits of laziness out of him and turn him into a young Brazilian Ronaldo.
I'd still love him at Liverpool obviously though. Klopp would knock seven shits of laziness out of him and turn him into a young Brazilian Ronaldo.
Pool did a good job keeping the world's best player quiet
He cost over 100mil, won golden boy, won best young player at the world cup, won the world cup, first teenager since Pele who scored in a world cup final, gets compared to Pele and i assume he is also on crazy high wages... and he is only 20 (not sure?). I dont think Klopp would impress him very much...
If you've watched him so much, you wouldn't be saying he's poor or even average in tight spaces then, it just doesn't make sense especially as he's created danger very often for himself or his teammates from those positions throughout his career. If you want him to be R9 in tight spaces, you got the wrong kid and there's no one in the world bar Messi who comes close. What people see as era-defining talent is the whole package including his mentality, knowing he still has flaws to his game and what he's accomplished thus far, even playing out of position being a very dangerous player for any defense in the world.
Even if he wasn't French, I'd be damn glad that there's kids like Mbappe or Dembele as CR7 and Messi get older.
I think he will be great but a lot of high profile football figures have downplayed his talent publicly (Simeone and Xavi). There are some red flags, when he plays big caliber teams he usually disappears or loses balls too much. I think the only exception was that Argentina game which was tailor made for him.
People need to calm down. This kid is just 19 ! Hes achieved so much already. The fact people are reacting like this like hes neymar whose 27 and making sloppy perfornances and should be in his prime speaks volumes about this kids maturity on the pitch.
That's what his performances have brought on. He doesn't like people talking about his age, so the criticism he's getting is warranted somewhat. It's good for his growth that people nitpick every little negative about his game and I think he'll only improve from here on out, as he has done the last couple of years. But yes, some perspective is warranted, he's not even 20 yet and some act like this is as good as he's going to be, which they were saying after his first season and he's already shown improvements with a lot more room to grow.
But games like tonight are just a shiteshow and it's hard to really pull anything credible out of such a disastrous team performance. His mistake at the end was such a rookie mistake, and as much as he got an underserving PSG to tie up a game they never should have tied, he's effectively cost them a point.
Great player; Looked threatening everytime he had the ball. We utterly dominated them in that 2nd half so he didnt get too many chances to do something with the ball. His finishing is pretty deadly. 1 chance one goal.
Playing at Anfield is super tough so not surprised he struggled yesterday - most great players do. I think he showed more heart than Neymar though but technically he needs to work on his close control in tight spaces and tactically find ways to get involved in the game more when his side is struggling to grab a foothold in the game. He’s still so young though and I disagree that he always goes missing in big games, you can always rely on him to be a goal threat in the big matches IMO and his goal record proves that. I do think he should leave PSG after this season though - their project seems like it is on the verge of a steep decline this season... the workrate is getting worse and worse and the fluidity they used to show in possession is not on the same level. Seems to be pass it to the front three and let them pull a rabbit out of the hat.
I agree with you he can't play at all in tight spaces and I'm not sure why people think he is the next big thing when he didn't prove much at really high level so far...winning a WC against Belgium Croatia or Uruguay doesn't prove than you are world class to me.
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I would have thought this would be the game for him, against a side that pushes high up. But Robertson had the better of him in basically every foot race.
That's surprising.
I think it was less Robertson had the better of him and more the team were closing down before anyone had a chance to play a decent ball in behind for him to run on to. Every pass to him had to be rushed as PSG clearly weren't used to it.
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not sure why everyone wants these boys to track back all the time, why spend £350m on wingers and want them playing as full backs. PSG should have just left the 3 of them up front and hit it long to them every time. Liverpool press very aggressive from the front but after 60mins they tire then you can pass our from the back and play threw the midfield. also the fact PSG had 1 real CM player tonight didn't help add Verrati and you will see a massive difference to the side.
Examples?
There weren't many good passes to Mbappe. PSG were a bit sluggish and passive and Mbappe barely played with the ball all night. It wasn't Robertson who stopped him but your pressing all over the pitch which disrupted their normal passing game. They weren't ready to fight. Which is kinda normal at this stage. Spurs embarassed Real in the group last season and then went out in the last 16 whereas Real won the thing.
we scored the opener from a Robertson cross. Mbappe was jogging and nowhere near his man who had acres of time and space to whip it in.
I think it speaks volumes about how he is being talked about. Plenty on this forum think he is arguably the best in the world and a certainty to match or surpass Ronaldo and Messi. They say he is far more talented than Ronaldo, Rooney, Owen at the same age. Meanwhile he has scored like 30 goals in the French league
What it speaks volumes is how freakishly consistent he has been at a young age. The team was disjointed and barely had a work ethic between them. Even then he still had the composure to bury the one chance he had. Ronaldo didnt hit true consistency till about 22 messi about 21/22. This kid isnt 20 yet and the i told you so brigade are quick to come with their pitchforks. Id be far more concerned with neymars performance consideeing he should be hitting his peak.
Neymar is and always was a joke that's just a separate issue. I would love mbappe at United but have big issue with anyone saying he will get near Messi or Ronaldo. Something like that is impossible to predict
I don't think many will ever get close to Ronaldo / Messi, their numbers will not be beaten for a very long time IMO.
Mbappe is fantastic to watch though, plays with speed and skill and is pretty clinical. What's not to like?.
I think over a few seasons, the numbers are the easier thing to match. With the trend of super teams you're likely to get more 40-50 goal seasons in the future from the likes of Mbappe. It's the other stuff that will be harder to match like influence, consistency etc
Helping Monaco to a title against PSG, goals and very good performances in the CL against sides like Dortmund, City, Juventus, Bayern and Liverpool, a good World Cup with a goal in the final and the trophy... before he's even 20 years old.
He had a tough season last year which seems to be ignored by a lot of people but it's really not tough at all to see why people see him as the next big thing. He's clearly not there yet though.