Why couldn't he get a game in the shit dutch side?
Kevin Strootman
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The Dutch side are far better than how they performed. Strootman didn't play because Van Marwik opted to choose his son in law instead.
No they are not....
They have a crap defense - they have 2 very average central midfielders - and the worlds most selfish player in Robben.
They are not better than they performed
Reaching WC final was a fluke, they were not that good and were carried by a goal scoring Sneijder. Their defense and central midfield are abysmal, and Strootman is very ordinary.
I don't think they're shite either. I agree their back four is fairly weak by international standards but it was when they reached the WC final too. Those players are still decent and with adequate organisation and a midfield that can protect them, they are usually able to make it work.
The real strength is going forward - they have some of the top forward players in world football. Van Persie is the in form number 9 in world football, Sneijder and Van see Vaart offer excellent creativity and Robben is as good a winger as you'll find in Europe. The likes of Affelay and Huntelaar are no mugs either.
I had a bet in for them to finish bottom of the group but it's not because they're a poor team - in terms of personnel they're up there with the best in Europe. The problem is balance, something that Van Marwijk couldn't find. Rings bells with the old England teams tbh.
The real strength is going forward - they have some of the top forward players in world football. Van Persie is the in form number 9 in world football, Sneijder and Van see Vaart offer excellent creativity and Robben is as good a winger as you'll find in Europe. The likes of Affelay and Huntelaar are no mugs either.
I had a bet in for them to finish bottom of the group but it's not because they're a poor team - in terms of personnel they're up there with the best in Europe. The problem is balance, something that Van Marwijk couldn't find. Rings bells with the old England teams tbh.
No Euro tax!
Making the WC final and winning most of the their matches coming in suggests they are. They've been nothing short of scintillating before the Euros.
Its easy to be scintillating in qualifying. England do it regularly.
I thought this Dutch team was very overrated. Shown up to be the average team that they are.
They are better than they performed. They were absolutely dire the whole tournament and really should have done better. When you look at the players they have such as Steklenberg, De Jong, Sneijder, VDV, RVP, Kuyt and Robben then you are looking at a squad that seriously underperformed. Yes they had a weak defence but also never really got going as an attacking outlet
I don't buy that they were average. The idea that a side that nearly won the WC less than 24 months ago with basically the same players and then won something like 9 out of 10 qualifying matches is average is ridiculous. They underperformed and made some tactical mistakes that hurt them during the Euros, which combined with being in a very difficult group was fatal.
Frustrating that none of us know if Strootman is any use now apart from the fans on here who pretend they have been keeping an eye on him for years already in the Dutch league. I doubt that we are really interested though
At least it keeps his price down.
They looked very average in the build-up to the Euros, and in the qualifiers they lost against the only decent team they played against - Sweden. Robben finished the season out of form and Sneijder had an entire season out of form, that's their only two attacking players who really performed in the World Cup. Along with that Van Bronckhorst has retired, Mathijsen is now 32 and past his best (and was coming back from injury coming into the tournament) and Heitinga missed part of the tournament through injury. They alone aren't huge blows because Mathijsen and Heitinga at their best have never been particularly good and Van Bronckhorst was already well on the decline in 2010, but Vlaar simply isn't good enough and Willems is just too young.
I don't think any of the blame can be put on van Marwiijk and him making tactical mistakes. The players he had available just weren't very good for one reason or another.
Robben doesn't understand what a team is, he needs sniping.
That Dutch team were too overrated it was untrue. What saved them at the world cup was having Van Bommel and De jong protecting the defence superbly and Kuyt selflessness on the flank. This time they didn't have Van bommel and De jong on song or any selflessness on the flanks. They were doomed even before a ball was kicked.
Yeah, I agree. They lack quality at the back and players of varierty in midfield. They managed to cover it in the World Cup but not this time, partly because Sneijder wasn't nearly as good. Nearly everyone blamed the coach for not selecting Huntelaar and Van der Vaart in the first two matches. Well, he used them against Portugal and we found out why he didn't select that team previously - the midfield was exposed and so was the backline.
The dutch just lack true quality in too many positions.
Harsh, I'd say the only thing letting them down is their defense... it was in absolute shambles.
Their fwds wasted so many chances, it was unreal.
The only problem for them this tournament was their coach, playing their best player wide left ?
Not using VDV ?
Not to mention an in experienced LB who thought he was a flamboyant winger cost them badly.
Sorry, but I dont' think they were too over rated, but their coach got it terribly wrong and they didn't play as a team at all. Too bad for them.
Their fwds wasted so many chances, it was unreal.
The only problem for them this tournament was their coach, playing their best player wide left ?
Not using VDV ?
Not to mention an in experienced LB who thought he was a flamboyant winger cost them badly.
Sorry, but I dont' think they were too over rated, but their coach got it terribly wrong and they didn't play as a team at all. Too bad for them.
The only midfielders they played were attacking or defensive. VdV and Sneijder are not what you need as the only people in midfield other than De Jong. They needed someone to link up the midfield with the forwards and defend when needed. They had no box-to-box type player or anyone who could dictate play from the middle. Not something that VdV or Sneijder can do. I have no idea if Strootman can, but he's talked about as a box-to-box player who would have stepped in where they needed it.
You don't lose Giovanni van Bronckhorst, your team captain, who has played in 3 World Cups and 3 European championships, a top class left back, then replace him with an 18 year old and not take a step back.
Their problems were in defense, and no amount of attacking power could solve that. Just look at Argentina with the likes of Messi, Tevez, Angel Maria, Diego Milito, and Higuain in the last World Cup with a crappy defense.
It all starts from the back.
Their problems were in defense, and no amount of attacking power could solve that. Just look at Argentina with the likes of Messi, Tevez, Angel Maria, Diego Milito, and Higuain in the last World Cup with a crappy defense.
It all starts from the back.
@jouracule: Strootman tomorrow will become youngest post-war Oranje captain (fourth overall), breaks Van Basten's record (set in 1987) by 70 days.
He couldn't get in the XI during the Euros and now he is the captain? What am I missing here?
Probably Van Bommel retired and Sneijder out injured.
But there are surely more senior and better players around? RVP?
New coach in as well so maybe a mini clear out and fresh start?
Haven't seen much of this lad. How would regular Eridivisie watchers describe him?
Haven't seen much of this lad. How would regular Eridivisie watchers describe him?
That's what I thought. The Dutch should be doing better, so it's probably time to get shot of the likes of Van Bommel, Mathijsen, Sneijder, Kuyt etc
...van Persie aswell
From a Dutch or United point of view?
United of course.
I read somewhere they are resting Robin tomorrow(which is btw great news for us).
it's funny how the more "into" football I am, the happier I am to see that the players I like (mostly United's) are nowhere to be seen come international games.
I actually used to get pissed if the players weren't in the starting XI.
I actually used to get pissed if the players weren't in the starting XI.
I have mixed feelings. The presence of United players gives an extra interest, but the danger of injury outweighs that, particularly for older players we desperately need. It's good to see kids like Rafael being recognized though.
welcome in the club mate
IDK. I would love to see a few players do well with their international teams. Welbeck, Kagawa, Cleverley, Smalling, Jones, Rafael, DDG and the likes. I couldn't care less about Rooney, RVP, Evra and other senior players
So, did he play yesterday? How was he in these games?
He received a yellow according to livescore.com so he must've played.
Isn't he the captain, so I am guessing he played.
Yet, I heard nothing about his performance... Did anyone saw the games and care to comment?
Reported Manchester United target Kevin Strootman will not leave PSV Eindhoven in January but the midfielder could be on the move next summer.
AC Milan are also interested in the £15million-rated 22-year-old but Sir Alex Ferguson is rumoured to be leading the chase for the Holland international.
United are thought to want a strong presence in central midfield and Strootman could prove a solution, although his agent has ruled out the possibility of a winter transfer.
Representative Chiel Dekker told calciomercato.com when asked about the possibility of Strootman leaving PSV in January: "Absolutely not. There is absolutely no truth in that.
"We are only in October. The only thing I can tell you is to call me back in April or May."
He added: "We all know that in football everything is possible. But at the moment it is useless to talk about the market."
AC Milan are also interested in the £15million-rated 22-year-old but Sir Alex Ferguson is rumoured to be leading the chase for the Holland international.
United are thought to want a strong presence in central midfield and Strootman could prove a solution, although his agent has ruled out the possibility of a winter transfer.
Representative Chiel Dekker told calciomercato.com when asked about the possibility of Strootman leaving PSV in January: "Absolutely not. There is absolutely no truth in that.
"We are only in October. The only thing I can tell you is to call me back in April or May."
He added: "We all know that in football everything is possible. But at the moment it is useless to talk about the market."
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