That control and pass out wide to Amad for the 3rd was Berbatov style
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
As others have said - been impressed with his tactical awareness and passing range - just please drop the celebration - regardless of whatever clever idea there may be behind it. Either way looking forward to seeing more of this Zirkzee.
Delighted for JZ. He was immense today, hope he kicks on from here on out.
He's brilliant at that. A counter attacker's dream. I hope he grows in confidence because we need both him and Hojlund hungry and chomping at the bit to impress.
That's it. He's ruined now.
I think Ruben knows zirkzee’s qualities and the type of matches to use his against. Basically teams we are going to have majority possession where he doesn’t need to track back and press too much. Also because we need his creativity, link up play and strength to beat stubborn low block teams. So zirkzee will get some games- just not against the top teams that play fast, fluid football on the ground like Arsenal, Liverpool, city, spurs, etc
Never seen anyone play like Zirkzee-
His attributes are like a mixture of Emile Heskey, berbatov
His attributes are like a mixture of Emile Heskey, berbatov
It was such a good spot. There were other way more obvious, not anywhere near as incisive passes on. Perfect weight too.
I really think - more than any player we've signed in a while - with his style of play (and Bologna's) he'll really need a season to adjust to the pace of the league.
I was watching his Serie A goals again and any player who has the type of ice cold veins (and technique) in front of goal to pull some of these off (0:28, 1:05, 2:03) is worth giving a season to. His catalogue of dribbles, body feints and passing are even more impressive than the goals. He's a talent, and a very unique one with his size and skillset. I think it'll be interesting to see how it works out for him.
He reminded me of the title of Juan Mata's book...
He was very good - much more like Palace 1st half than what we’ve seen since. The passes for the Amad chance and then the 3rd goal were fantastic.
Some have been so quick to write him off that they can't backtrack now for the sake of pride and e-credibility, which means even when he has good games, the credit that is due won't be there, but the moment he has a lesser performance, they'll post in droves.
Kind of depressing way for a stall be set out for a new player to the: league; country and a club the sheer size of Manchester United to be greeted and treated, especially so when some of our greatest ever signings had awful trials by fire before proving themselves. He's also young, which has its own settling in problems for many. At the very least, there should be an amnesty on the dire takes and he be judged anew under a coach who knows what he's doing and seemingly, how to get the player settled and comfortable - Zirkzee is far too inexperienced to be on the receiving end of negative campaigns against him; just draw a line under that and try assess him with fresh eyes, rather than been obstinate about a hastily formed initial view that was, quite frankly, over eager and unreasonable, given this isn't some veteran or player forged in the fires of the PL.
It's quite obvious what he provides and if this is him just finding his feet, with time, confidence and an organic growth of synergies and familiarity, he could go on to have a rather unique profile, one that is very difficult for opposing managers to prepare for with the way he effortlessly drifts through the lines and also seamlessly plays through half spaces.
With a near MotM performance under his belt and the exaltation that comes with that, maybe he goes out there next time with a feeling that he's found somewhere he can be loved and that he and what he offers is worth a great deal to the team, moreover, that the fanbase appreciate what he is and how he contributes to the cause.
Kind of depressing way for a stall be set out for a new player to the: league; country and a club the sheer size of Manchester United to be greeted and treated, especially so when some of our greatest ever signings had awful trials by fire before proving themselves. He's also young, which has its own settling in problems for many. At the very least, there should be an amnesty on the dire takes and he be judged anew under a coach who knows what he's doing and seemingly, how to get the player settled and comfortable - Zirkzee is far too inexperienced to be on the receiving end of negative campaigns against him; just draw a line under that and try assess him with fresh eyes, rather than been obstinate about a hastily formed initial view that was, quite frankly, over eager and unreasonable, given this isn't some veteran or player forged in the fires of the PL.
It's quite obvious what he provides and if this is him just finding his feet, with time, confidence and an organic growth of synergies and familiarity, he could go on to have a rather unique profile, one that is very difficult for opposing managers to prepare for with the way he effortlessly drifts through the lines and also seamlessly plays through half spaces.
With a near MotM performance under his belt and the exaltation that comes with that, maybe he goes out there next time with a feeling that he's found somewhere he can be loved and that he and what he offers is worth a great deal to the team, moreover, that the fanbase appreciate what he is and how he contributes to the cause.
Best thing to happen for Zirkzee and most of our players is Eth getting sacked and also having manager like Amorim.
Post match Amorim said something everyone knew, which player himself mentioned, that he is not a 9, more of a 10 than 9. Amorim mentioned that and how we have to make sure we get best out of players with tactical tweaks. Zirkzee plays well when he is a conductor with players making runs. Yesterday that happened and apart from his goals he displayed what he brings to the team. His pass to Amad chance was very good, same with his pass to Amad for third goal.
He is finding his feet in PL, it will take time and I dont know who will play more among the players fighting for CF position, but one good thing is we have players who offers something different for attacking roles. Its always good to have players like this.
I'll hold my hands up and say I'd written him off completely. Looked completely lost until last night. Hoping he kicks on from here, his all round play was great and hopefully this gives him the confidence boost he needed.
Yeah absolutely. Amorim's confidence outline an understanding and appreciation for the player Zirkzee is, and in turn, how best to use him instead of trying to make him a lung-busting #9 who is constantly running the line and doing outright striker(y) things. He's clearly not that kind of player, and now he's not forced to try and be that, we'll get to see organic growth with a more relaxed player, safer in the knowledge that what he's trying to do is not being frowned upon by the coach.
The comment about basically using brains over brawn against certain types of CB is also very encouraging, as is the fact runners will be willing to go off of Zirkzee in anticipation that he can and will find them with forward passes into feet in one or two touches, which is huge for the players who love to make first-time runs - now they can look for the best way to hurt the opposition with their run, rather than just hope it can even be picked out.
It should be an exciting time for the team with the realisation that things are different now and strengths will be played to.
Amorim also used the phrase "even Højlund" so it was more of a highlight on Zirkzee's ability rather than a dig at Rasmus.
Nice, shame it's missing the pass of the game to Amad, for the third goal.
Yeah, these comps always miss something. I think it's because people rush making them so they can get more views.
Still, you get the general idea of their game, and, in Zirkzee's case, he looked pretty promising here.
His goal celebration is fine, what am I missing? It's not anything like Fowler sniffing coke is it?
Since his first game, I've always appreciated his desire to be in the right place. It wasn't going for him for a while, but neither was it for the rest of the team. We badly need our players to gain confidence and Zirkzee is someone I'd love to have around. His versatility is great and in this system, could be beneficial.
Yeah horrible, his nickname should obviously be J zirks.
People here actually complaining about his goal celebration? Grumpy old gits
Unbelievable turnaround. Didn't believe he had that in him.
Does Carlito have it in him to spit in the face of coolness is what I'm mulling over
Likewise, I was quite negative about his game but he had a very good game.
Just goes to show, when you have a coach who understands players and actually understands player profiles, you can play the same formation with adaption and it suits the players.
Amorim didn't just say.. same tactics as Thursday but its Zirkzee, instead he understands his strength, dropping in knowing it will pull CB's out for Rashford and Amad to run into space.
Its just small tactical tweaks to help players.
I think I remember hearing Robert Lewandowski in his interview with Rio saying that JZ is a great hybrid forward and haa plenty of talent.
Fantastic yesterday. Fair play to him and Amorim!
Fantastic yesterday. Fair play to him and Amorim!
What did he know
For real
Many of us said it was too early to write him off, there's tonnes of players who have taken a little time to get up to speed after coming from other leagues, especially Serie A.
His technical ability is high, he has great vision and awareness and he can finish. He's young and he only cost £32m, so is low risk.
Give him some time, he definitely needs to speed up a bit and stop dallying on the ball but he has raw ability.
His technical ability is high, he has great vision and awareness and he can finish. He's young and he only cost £32m, so is low risk.
Give him some time, he definitely needs to speed up a bit and stop dallying on the ball but he has raw ability.
Told you all he was mint.
I don't think Ten Hag ever really fancied him. Every presser where he mentioned Zirkzee he was on about him needing to attack the box more, when he's not really that type of player. Amorim puts him in as a sort of attacking pivot with runners around him and Zirkzee comes alive. Looking forward to seeing more of him - plenty of games to go round for our attackers this month.
I don't think Ten Hag ever really fancied him. Every presser where he mentioned Zirkzee he was on about him needing to attack the box more, when he's not really that type of player. Amorim puts him in as a sort of attacking pivot with runners around him and Zirkzee comes alive. Looking forward to seeing more of him - plenty of games to go round for our attackers this month.
I love his style of play. Berbatov is a good comparison but Zirkzee seems to be a better passer.
Needs to add intensity to his game on and off the ball to really take it to the next level. I can absolutely see him as a key player in a great team (with us or elsewhere). Lovely technique, smooth player.
The other thing he brings that nobody does quite as well is hold up play. He is providing a good outlet for others even with defenders on his back.
I read it was to do with Call of Duty and some emote type thing, ala Griezmann and that cringey Fornite dance he used to do. Cavani had such a top tier celebration and pulled it off.
My fave part of the game yesterday... I was watching in the Stretford End near this fella who was giving Zirkzee absolute dog's abuse from the opening whistle. Screaming expletives at him constantly... going on about how he's the worst player he's seen in 30 years. We get that you don't like him mate, but it was awkwardly over the top. It was like he wanted everyone in the ground to know how much he hated Zirkzee.
When his first goal went in, about twenty fans who were watching near him all jumped on him and started wildly celebrating. Proper limbs! Same thing happened when Zirkzee bagged his second too. By this point, the fan is sat down with his head in his hands. Great stuff.
When his first goal went in, about twenty fans who were watching near him all jumped on him and started wildly celebrating. Proper limbs! Same thing happened when Zirkzee bagged his second too. By this point, the fan is sat down with his head in his hands. Great stuff.
I tnink he arrived overweight too and also not expecting the demand physically that he found in the prem.
Much better, but still a long way to go.
Still needs to lose more weight and run more / increase intensity.
Still needs to lose more weight and run more / increase intensity.
Stewards need to pick up on this a bit more, it happens too often and nobody should have to sit with a weird type of tension because of some bellend. I remember my first ever time at OT around 02/03... Ended up sat behind my teacher, like literally the seat behind her, by total coincidence, and there was a guy shouting 'Sol Campbells a monkey' all the way through the game and nothing was said or done each of the 20+ times he shouted it, clearly looking for a reaction.
It's the new Kendrick Lamar, one of my favourites on the album!
The positional map was interesting. Zirkzee's average position was behind both Bruno and Rashford. Rashford was the furthest player forward.
That'll be the way to get the best out of him, with players who want to constantly run beyond him. I actually think it gives us a nice bit of variety to Højlund, who we should pair with players who will look to feed him every chance they get. Would be interested to see if he can play more as a #10 with Højlund as well, although I think he prefers to drop deep, rather than operate there and drift wide.
More of the same yesterday and he'll be a solid attacking signing, at the very least.