John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids

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Revan said:
Stones is currently better in the ball than Jones/Smalling despite being 2 (respectively 4) years younger.
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He's a defender first and foremost. I'm more interested in whether or not he can find row Z in a moment of need from his own penalty box than I am him being good on the ball.

Leave the being good on the ball to those whose remit is to be exactly that. I've never really understood the need for a centre back to be great on the ball. Very few moves going forward will stem from what your centre back ultimately does on the ball.
 
So annoying that nothing at all has happened since our initial bid. What are we waiting for?

The longer it takes the less time Everton have to bring in replacements. Can't see any way they sell on or near the deadline. The money would be useless to them if they get it too late to spend it.

If we like him as much as it's made out I wish we'd just pay the money and be done with it. Offer them money they'd be mad to turn down.
 
Orc said:
So annoying that nothing at all has happened since our initial bid. What are we waiting for?

The longer it takes the less time Everton have to bring in replacements. Can't see any way they sell on or near the deadline. The money would be useless to them if they get it too late to spend it.

If we like him as much as it's made out I wish we'd just pay the money and be done with it. Offer them money they'd be mad to turn down.
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I'm sure evans to Everton is all lined up for when you take stones
 
dogwithabone said:
He's a defender first and foremost. I'm more interested in whether or not he can find row Z in a moment of need from his own penalty box than I am him being good on the ball.

Leave the being good on the ball to those whose remit is to be exactly that. I've never really understood the need for a centre back to be great on the ball. Very few moves going forward will stem from what your centre back ultimately does on the ball.
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I completely disagree. Being good on the ball is an important thing also for a defender.
 
Devil may care said:
I'd rather have Stones than any of the young foreign equivalents. The last world class player we groomed fecked us off and gave his best years to Real Madrid. The next player we turned into a world class talent is about to do exactly the same, I'm not interested in grooming another one for them.
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The last world class British player chose Real Madrid over us.
 
dogwithabone said:
He's a defender first and foremost. I'm more interested in whether or not he can find row Z in a moment of need from his own penalty box than I am him being good on the ball.

Leave the being good on the ball to those whose remit is to be exactly that. I've never really understood the need for a centre back to be great on the ball. Very few moves going forward will stem from what your centre back ultimately does on the ball.
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Our manager would disagree.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
We'd still sell him - even if all our CB's suddenly got rapid Gangrene of the legs. They'd still be fiiter & more capable than Evans..
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You don't rate him then? :lol:
 
Revan said:
The last world class British player chose Real Madrid over us.
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Because he's a dopey Ronaldo fanboy who thinks having a South American Alice band hairstyle will make him cool. He was already a player who had made his mark, Stones is a player we'd be making into the top talent, not one who's already reached admittedly unworthy top class status like Bale did.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
I'm saying compare them all at a similar age, and he doesn't look any better than Jones on the ball at that age at all, or anywhere near Smalling considering he was playing non league football 12 months prior.
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I swear some of you guys have never seen Stones play. Stones is better and will always be better than those two on the ball. I'm not sure any defender in the world is better on the ball than he is.
 
RooneyLegend said:
I swear some of you guys have never seen Stones play. Stones is better and will always be better than those two on the ball. I'm not sure any defender in the world is better on the ball than he is.
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That is exageration. Hummels and Pique are miles better. Even from young defenders, Laporte is better.

He is definitely better than Jones and Smalling though, no doubt about that. In fact, he may well be the best in the league at it.
 
Revan said:
That is exageration. Hummels and Pique are miles better. Even from young defenders, Laporte is better.

He is definitely better than Jones and Smalling though, no doubt about that. In fact, he may well be the best in the league at it.
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Maybe hummels but not pique or laporte. Marquinhos should also be in the conversation. In the league Aldewereld and Vertoghen would be the only competition.
 
I'd love it if we got Stones. He doesn't offer the experience that I think we need in the back but he's probably already better than all of our center backs and seems to have missed the injury problems that our center backs get every week. I'd love it if we could give them Evans and cash for him.
 
gza the genius said:
I'd love it if we got Stones. He doesn't offer the experience that I think we need in the back but he's probably already better than all of our center backs and seems to have missed the injury problems that our center backs get every week. I'd love it if we could give them Evans and cash for him.
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Yet he only played 23 league games last year
 
Stones isn't significantly better (if better at all) than our top three CBs. His biggest plus is his elegance - unfortunately that's fairly far down the list in judging the effectiveness of CBs. Chelsea is probably the best move for him in that Terry is sure to go sooner or later and, by then, he'd probably be ready to step up. At OT there's no guarantee that he'd ever make it past Smalling , Jones and Rojo.
 
Im interested in what Stones will go here, IMO he's a season too soon for him to go be first choice CB at Chelsea.

Surely it will make alot more sense for him to complete another season with Everton in the premier league
 
sully1 said:
Im interested in what Stones will go here, IMO he's a season too soon for him to go be first choice CB at Chelsea.

Surely it will make alot more sense for him to complete another season with Everton in the premier league
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This. As tempting as it would be, he'd be better off staying for another season.
 
Smalling, Jones, Stones, Chambers England are very lucky to have these options at CB in the future.
 
sully1 said:
Smalling, Jones, Stones, Chambers England are very lucky to have these options at CB in the future.
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Really?

Seems a big downgrade going from Rio, Terry, Carragher and King to them.
 
We should definitely swoop in for Stones, then Jose can moan about being financially outmuscled like with Shaw again.
 
I don't think I rate Stones anywhere near as highly as many on here.
 
I'm sure Stones' head has been turned now. Fully expect him to be in Chelsea's colours (:lol:) by the end of the window.
 
£25 Million rejected apparently. Wonder how much it will take - surely a world record for a defender.
 
I don't think we'll let him join Chelsea without a fight, nor should we. I think it's becoming clear that Ramos isn't coming, and I'm sure we'd match any Chelsea bid that is accepted. We also have the Jonny Evans card to play, which should knock around £8m off the fee, and offer an immediate replacement for them who is PL proven.
 
Rozay said:
I don't think we'll let him join Chelsea without a fight, nor should we. I think it's becoming clear that Ramos isn't coming, and I'm sure we'd match any Chelsea bid that is accepted. We also have the Jonny Evans card to play, which should knock around £8m off the fee, and offer an immediate replacement for them who is PL proven.
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The player would have to want to go to United, though.

You'd have to imagine that he'd love the opportunity to learn from the best English CB's in the league and the best manager. The fact that we're after him so hard will surely have turned his head.
 
Timdbro said:
£25 Million rejected apparently. Wonder how much it will take - surely a world record for a defender.
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Definitely over £30m... if Luke Shaw cost us £27-£30m then they'll want more then that. I reckon Chelsea would need about £35m to get this done.
 
Orc said:
The player would have to want to go to United, though.

You'd have to imagine that he'd love the opportunity to learn from the best English CB's in the league and the best manager. The fact that we're after him so hard will surely have turned his head.
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He'd hardly be the first.
 
sully1 said:
Smalling, Jones, Stones, Chambers England are very lucky to have these options at CB in the future.
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Really? So far neither of them is on top 20 or so CB in the world. I would say that only Stones has world class potential, but hwck knows if he'll ever become a WC player (or some of the others would do so).

Rio and Terry were in top 5 CB of their generations, with Campbell not much below them. Carragher was great too (although a level below them), with uncrocked King being there too. Heck, even Wesley Brown at his best was better than any of those players you mentioned.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Maybe you havent seen much of him man?

He's a superb player & will be one of the best CB's around in a couple of years.

Check out his vids to bring yourself up to speed:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=john+stones
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I've seen him a decent amount of times. He looks a prospect but I personally don't have in the same category of class that I regard Sterling or Shaw. Still need to see more of him, but I'm not fully convinced about him just yet.
 
I'd rate Stones above Shaw in terms of talent, which is saying something given I really rate Shaw.

If we were interested in him I'd have no problem seeing us pay as much as 40m for him. He has that much potential. 35m would seem a more likely price though.
 
sullydnl said:
I'd rate Stones above Shaw in terms of talent, which is saying something given I really rate Shaw.

If we were interested in him I'd have no problem seeing us pay as much as 40m for him. He has that much potential. 35m would seem a more likely price though.
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£30m + Evans would do it is my guess.
 
Rozay said:
£30m + Evans would do it is my guess.
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Yeah, you'd imagine that would work for both parties. Evans would be worth more than 5m to them, whereas he's someone we probably want to get rid of. Win-win.
 
Devil may care said:
Because he's a dopey Ronaldo fanboy who thinks having a South American Alice band hairstyle will make him cool. He was already a player who had made his mark, Stones is a player we'd be making into the top talent, not one who's already reached admittedly unworthy top class status like Bale did.
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Will be interesting to hear your thoughts if Bale turns out to be LVG's surprise ;)
 
They were always going to reject. Words are Chelsea are prepared to give 30mn plus add-ons. That should seal the deal soon. Cahill has already broken his nose and we need Stones ASAP.
 
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