I'd be pretty cautious about spending 35 million on him after seeing the 'progression' of Jones when he too was being hyped as England's best future centre back. It's a lot of money...
John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids
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I am one of the few people left on here that still has faith in Jones but, he was only a teenager when we signed him. Chris Smalling only had 15 appearances by time he joined Manchester United. Stones is further along than either were when we signed them. He is two years as a first team player in the PL plus one season in the Championship.
That's fair enough man, but from what i've seen - Stones is gonna be an immense player & whoever ends up with him, is gonna be set for the next 10-15 years of excellence.
It's a must signing for us imo - he's got United class written all over him..
From an England perspective, I hope he does become that good, even if it is for Chelsea.
A £25 million bid for potentially one of the top CBs in world football, yet Chelsea wouldn't budge for anything under £50 million for that piece of gash in David Luiz.
You've just gotta laugh at the audacity of the club.
The keyword here is 'potentially'. If he wasn't English, based on what he's done so far, people would be calling Chelsea insane for bidding such amounts. At this point he's not better than someone like Zouma, who Chelsea paid 12m a year ago and now double of that fee is supposedly laughable when it comes to Stones.
A £25 million bid for potentially one of the top CBs in world football, yet Chelsea wouldn't budge for anything under £50 million for that piece of gash in David Luiz.
You've just gotta laugh at the audacity of the club.
That made me chuckle quite a bit
Who's leaking it to the media that us and City are also interested?
At this point, it has agent with dollar signs in his eyes written all over it, even Chelsea's original £20m bid.
In what world is it audacious to look out for your own interests?
What exactly should they be doing instead? Accept low offers for their players and overpay for other club's players?
Also, David Luiz is like several notches above the current version Stones.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. It's cunning and calculated, yet at the same time very astute.
Its just that when it comes to selling their players, they command top premiums yet when it comes to buying players, in this case probably the top English defensive talent who has the potential to give them 10-15 years at the top and be even better than Luiz, they want to pay Everton in Freddo's.
In fact, they have a transfer policy that I believe we could learn a bit from.
Havent heard anything about the City interest but was thinking the media were linking us as we get linked to everyone and especially it being a defender we get linked. Apparently we have had a bid for Stefan De Vrij rejected as well, another slow day for the media and using our name helps sell papers.
Buy him.
But thats the crux. If you buy a young prodigy and then dont accept the need to play
him week in week out you basically unravel all the hard work done. Jones and Smalling are injury prone which doesnt help but still they were not at a team which played them when possible each and every game. Or In Jones' case he was shunted everywhere to give him game time which seems as counter productive with hindsight. Germany's national team are a good example. They stuck with young guns, played them and it meant initial early elimination from tournaments (relatively speaking)..but then reaped the rewards. We did exactly the same with De Gea and ultimately you give them and yourselves the best chance of benefit. If we but Stones...he must play when fit.....We have the same issue with Depay and others.....you have to accept taking one step backwards for 2 forwards....Its hard to say LVG in his second season can do that. When he first signed I wanted him to build a young great team. Thats just not happening.
He would be massively over priced but given his potential and the alternatives who would be available I think he is our best option. Otamendi would cost as much if not more and he is just as unproven as stones and would have to adapt to the league and new country etc. laporte would have similar doubts and he is no better than stones and would be expensive as well.
If we could get him for twenty something million and johnny Evans I think that would new as good a cb signing as we could realistically make this summer.
If we could get him for twenty something million and johnny Evans I think that would new as good a cb signing as we could realistically make this summer.
We need to pinch this lad from under Chelsea's nose.
Victor Moses for Stones? Dear god. Surely they could get any one of Chelsea's highly rated young wingers on loan, not him?
Getting bored and worried at the same time about this now.
If it's going to happen - Fine, as i'm confident we will get the silly money we want.
If it doesn't - Good, we have kept a top talent who'd be crucial to us this year.
All i want is for it to be resolved one way or another before we play our first game. I'd absolutely hate having to ease in a new CB partnership when our first 5 games are Watford (Newly promoted side), Southampton (Class last season to be honest, will still be very tough to play, especially away), City, Spurs, and Chelsea (Not a lot needs to be said, very hard games).
It needs to be resolved from our end by the first game otherwise it could be a messy start.
If it's going to happen - Fine, as i'm confident we will get the silly money we want.
If it doesn't - Good, we have kept a top talent who'd be crucial to us this year.
All i want is for it to be resolved one way or another before we play our first game. I'd absolutely hate having to ease in a new CB partnership when our first 5 games are Watford (Newly promoted side), Southampton (Class last season to be honest, will still be very tough to play, especially away), City, Spurs, and Chelsea (Not a lot needs to be said, very hard games).
It needs to be resolved from our end by the first game otherwise it could be a messy start.
Yeah, having your shit together before those games is a must man - that's a tough start to the campaign alright. Best of luck though
Too expensive.
Don't really think we need another defender but I rate Stones really highly so would still be happy if we got him.
That depends. Being English, he's the sort of player that's likely to spend the rest of his career at Old Trafford, were he to come here - a new Steve Bruce or Rio Ferdinand. That sort of continuity pays out in the long run, and not just in cash terms. I guess that's why Chelsea see him as potentially the new John Terry, and will most likely be upping their bid soon.
Think he would prefer Chelsea as they are a better placed than us right now; however, if there is chance we shouldn't mind paying a little extra for this guy. I would guess that Everton would prefer a deal with us, if they are really interested in Evans. The tough part will be too convince Stones to move to us with two English central defenders already on our books.
And then there is this question of his preferred foot.
And then there is this question of his preferred foot.
I don't want us to sign him but it would be a lot of fun to see Jose moan about money if we did sign him.
I hope city don't get him.
He could become the best bitter.
He could become the best bitter.
Yeah, anything more than £30m would be crazy. I really like a Stones but I am not keen on United signing him at this point. We need an established centre back if we are buying I feel. Stones is still very much work in progress.
I'd be looking to move if I was Stones. Martinez isn't exactly the ideal coach for a young defender.
Wildly overrated. I'd rather keep Evans than sign Stones for 25m+
Disagree,I think Stones has massive potential and is currently better than Evans.
Joking surely.
Stone, Kane and (whenever possible) Bale pls
My memory is not what it was. Was Rio considered the best CB in the country when we signed him for 30 mill? Or was it a 'potential' thing?
Evans? Oh surely not....
Potential and the WC the opinion turned the corner - and we bought him soon after.
Cheers. So you could argue that 30 mill for Stones, at today's prices, is about right I guess. Or 25 mill plus Evans.
Defo worth the money.
I'd even let Jones go the other way (for £5m-10m on top).
Class defender.
I'd even let Jones go the other way (for £5m-10m on top).
Class defender.
He isnt too expensive, to be fair because of his age, potential and his nationality (English), I'm surprised Everton isnt asking for 50+ million for him. United spent 30m for a 24 year old Rio Ferdinand. The fact he is younger and can offer more years of service is worth the investment like Luke Shaw.
For most of the summer I've wanted us to get more of a finished article defender and sell Evans, but I'd say Stones is the exception and we should just pay the £25m+ and give them Evans on top.
People saying he's too expensive, which can be argued, but I don't think it matters if you look into our true net spend. Our entire summer transfers spend so far is covered by the Adidas deal and sales of Nani and van Persie (not to mention probably a saving on wages). Sales of Di Maria, De Gea, Evans, Rafael, and maybe someone else would generate close to £100m.. We can definitely afford to splash out for Stones as a bit of a luxury signing, a risky signing.. But go for it, especially if it means keeping him out of Chelsea's side. If he goes on to become the next best English player it'll be a big regret.
People saying he's too expensive, which can be argued, but I don't think it matters if you look into our true net spend. Our entire summer transfers spend so far is covered by the Adidas deal and sales of Nani and van Persie (not to mention probably a saving on wages). Sales of Di Maria, De Gea, Evans, Rafael, and maybe someone else would generate close to £100m.. We can definitely afford to splash out for Stones as a bit of a luxury signing, a risky signing.. But go for it, especially if it means keeping him out of Chelsea's side. If he goes on to become the next best English player it'll be a big regret.
Inevitably gonna be England's next top CB
I think we should sign him, its a no brainer, especially if it stops him going to Chelsea
£30million + Evans ought to do it.
Alternately, sell Evans somewhere for 5m and then pay 35m for Laporte who currently is quite better and more experienced.
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