Chelsea in shocking lowballing what we are prepared to let him go for to get Stones to push for a move tactic.
John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids
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30 plus add on should do it.
A £25 million bid for potentially one of the top CBs in world football, yet Chelsea wouldn't budge for anything under £50 million for that piece of gash in David Luiz.
You've just gotta laugh at the audacity of the club.
You've just gotta laugh at the audacity of the club.
Good boy Everton. Make them pay for a home grown talent.
He's a 30m plus add ons player. Just like Shaw.
Maybe we will make a move now Ramos is not a possibility.
Maybe we will make a move now Ramos is not a possibility.
We ought to get this lad if we can. Players plus cash.
I'd happily see us pay up to £35m for him and I think if Fergie was still manager he'd definitely be in for him.
We should be all over this deal.
If Chelsea gets him, I hope it is for 35m or so. Time to see them overpaying a lot for a player.
Will be interesting to hear your thoughts if Bale turns out to be LVG's surprise
Why would my thoughts change? He went to the wrong club for the wrong reasons, he looks silly in his Alice band and he is vastly overrated as the most expensive footballer of all time when he's not even one of the top 10 best players in the world.
Anyone reckon Chelsea might walk away if Everton won't budge or will they keep bidding until they get him?
White text? Its an awful situation compared to what we had in the last generation!
Chelsea will only go so far, they won't do what City did with Sterling imo, Stones is promising but is he really worth £30-35 million + at this point?
Chelsea were put off with the Shaw fee last season and left an open goal for us, they also got Zouma for about £12 million who to me looks a really good prospect, hard to warrant going too far with Stones.
I wouldn't mind him but Everton will want even more from us, offering them Evans as part of the deal is hardly going to help.
If I was Martinez I would put an offer of £30m in for Hazard, once its rejected I would up the offer to £32m, give them a taste of their own medicine.
Except no one would pay it any attention because Hazard would never consider going there. John Stones by all accounts is interested in joining Chelsea.
My point is they've been told no twice and have offered pathetic money for a good defender. Hes gonna be a fantastic player in the next couple of seasons, hes already a better player than Cahill IMHO. Lets change the player, Juan Cuadrado then for example, Everton come along and offer £15m then up the offer to £18m, its a bit insulting. We paid £30m for Rooney 11 years ago, rate of inflation and all that for English players he should be worth around £35m plus a few add ons. But Everton wont sell and Chelsea are playing dirty to try and get Stones to force the transfer.
Chelsea asked for 28m for Lukaku, we paid it. We didn't feck about making silly 20m and 25m bids and leaking it to the press.
£26m is a pathetic offer for a 21 year old CB who's barely played any PL football?
As for Cuadrado, I'd drive him to Everton myself for £18m.
Playing dirty? Simply putting in a bid to test the waters is dirty? I suppose we should've just put in a bid of £35m straight away?
Hope Rafa puts in a bid for the lolz...
Leaked to the press? So every bid ever known by the media is leaked?
Don't see what the club have done wrong at all. We bid, you decline. What's the problem? How is this any different to what United did with Fellaini or Baines?
Why not go about business and make an enquiry to the team in question. Why make everything so public? We did go for Baines and Felliani and made a derisory offer first time around, but in the case of Felliani he wanted out badly and we had Moyes as a manager. Look at our transfers this summer, theres a reason why theyve been resolved so quickly and in certain cases quietly.£26m is a pathetic offer for a 21 year old CB who's barely played any PL football?
As for Cuadrado, I'd drive him to Everton myself for £18m.
Playing dirty? Simply putting in a bid to test the waters is dirty? I suppose we should've just put in a bid of £35m straight away?
It isn't any different. You both acted silly making low-ball bids to try and unsettle the players, Moyes took it a bit further by making dumb comments about 'If Sir Alex came in for these players i'd let them leave and not hold them back' etc.
We aren't really saying anything about it until we are forced to say something about it as we've said No the first time, and have had to come out and say no again, i don't understand why we would be releasing this to the press, it's pretty obviously from Chelsea's side that this is coming from.
It's maybe harder to see from a fan of Chelsea/United to see how the way they act in transfer sagas such as these can be incredibly arrogant at times.
What's the problem with it being public, though? It happens with 99% of transfers.
True, the initial £20m bid was silly. But this is simple negotiating. No club is going to just offer an insane amount as an opening bid. You start lower until you eventually settle at the valuation the selling club will accept.
If a player is valued at £50m for example a smart club isn't just going to spunk down £50m as an opening bid. They'll start lower and see what happens.
Ooh good one.
Hope Everton suck as much penny out of that russian black money as possible. If not hold onto him and we'll get him next year.
We should steal him form under their noses..
Think it's a real possibility you may the way we're fecking around.
We are sniffing around....apparently.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...anchester-united-john-stones?CMP=share_btn_tw
I wonder if we'd buy & loan back out to Everton for a year. I do rate him and would prefer we got him before Mou gets his hands on him, but I honestly am not sure he would drastically improve us this season. He needs to progress a bit further but he needs consistent games to do that. I'm afraid he'd be yo-yo'd among our current group of CB's, which would set back his development. By loaning back out to Everton, he'd at least get more games and some more tutoring with Martinez. He'd be more of a finished product in 2016, instead of being one for the future.
John Stones is not as raw as some are making him out to be. He is young but, he can make an immediate impact.
Everton should start leaking all sorts of stories about United being interested true or not, no brainer.
Chelsea would not even consider £15m bid for Cuadrado for a minute, they'd accept it in miliseconds.
How does Fellaini wanting to come here badly and Moyes being our manager change the fact that our bid was well below acceptable level (apparently) and that it doesn't really differ from what Chelsea have been doing here?
£26m is a very fair bid for Stones. It's just that price in England are so incredibly inflated and there's so much emphasis being put on 'PL proven' players that it is somehow considered low. We just signed an Italy international right back for £12m and Schneiderlin who is much more proven than Stones joined us for around £24m, we also paid £20m for Dutch brightest offensive talent. There's nothing remotely insulting about a £26m bid for Stones.
I think Luiz was £40m and if PSG approached them and offered that much should they have said 'no, that's actually too much, you can have him for half that amount'? So because Newcastle somehow managed to flog Carroll to Liverpool for £35m it means that they should overpay for every single player until the end of world?A £25 million bid for potentially one of the top CBs in world football, yet Chelsea wouldn't budge for anything under £50 million for that piece of gash in David Luiz.
You've just gotta laugh at the audacity of the club.
Don't know enough about Stones current ability and future potential .... is there a chance he will be Jones Mark ii?
I still hope Jones will come good to the levels of John Terry or Rio Ferdinand, but his rate of progress has been nothing like what SAF promised.
I still hope Jones will come good to the levels of John Terry or Rio Ferdinand, but his rate of progress has been nothing like what SAF promised.
Like I mentioned a couple weeks back also is that Luiz was already a very accomplished and experienced player when we sold him. He'd win the CL and other trophies, had been playing for top clubs for years, and was one of the faces of the most famous national team in the world.
Can't really compare him to Stones at all who hasn't done anything in his career by comparison.
I think John Stones is just the sort of talent we should be determined to bring to Old Trafford. His coming here would be a massive long-term boost for the club; he's young, English, and already has International Caps to his name. Short-term, I'm sure adding him to our list current defenders will add some excellent cover for the coming season with plenty of 1st team game-time, and great competition between him, Jones and Smalling. Add in that they would be working together on international duty too, and the fact that he can cover at RB and he's almost the perfect buy.
It may not be a priority for LvG, as he might not be thinking much beyond the next two years regarding his own contract. A Ramos or Otamendi are probably more to his liking regarding short-term success, and we all want that too really. From my point of view (and I hope LvG sees it the same way) signing Ramos and Stones would be akin to signing Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin in midfield - in other words - just what the club needs.
Of course, that all depends upon Stones wanting to come here rather than go to Chelsea or anywhere else, and Everton agreeing to sell.
It may not be a priority for LvG, as he might not be thinking much beyond the next two years regarding his own contract. A Ramos or Otamendi are probably more to his liking regarding short-term success, and we all want that too really. From my point of view (and I hope LvG sees it the same way) signing Ramos and Stones would be akin to signing Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin in midfield - in other words - just what the club needs.
Of course, that all depends upon Stones wanting to come here rather than go to Chelsea or anywhere else, and Everton agreeing to sell.
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This makes no sense from our perspective. He's got a contract until 2019 so we may aswell keep him and develop under our books and then get more money for him next season rather than selling him for a lower fee than we might have got next season (Provided he stays on his current trajectory).
A £25 million bid for potentially one of the top CBs in world football, yet Chelsea wouldn't budge for anything under £50 million for that piece of gash in David Luiz.
You've just gotta laugh at the audacity of the club.
In what world is it audacious to look out for your own interests?
What exactly should they be doing instead? Accept low offers for their players and overpay for other club's players?
Also, David Luiz is like several notches above the current version Stones.
It really doesnt happen with 99% of transfers. Its made public if they want to unsettle a player or if its leaked, Chelsea are unsettling a player. We signed Morgan under the radar, no one knew he was at Old Trafford having a medical. We got Bastian wrapped up without much warning and there wasnt any leaks as to the
Because Moyes thought as Man Utd manager he could go back and bully (to a certain extent) his old club. Big club mentality set in it seems, he had it in his head that Everton were in dire need for money so put in an offer of £28m for Baines and Felliani, when £28m was needed for Felliani alone. The fact is that the transfer dealings have been made public to unsettle the player, we had the same public pursuit which resulted in a cataclysmic failure. This season all our dealings have been kept under wraps to a certain extent. We got Depay for £25m, and with Stones being English and homegrown then the price should be around £35m for him, to offer £20m is insulting, I mean Lescott joined City for £26m a few seasons ago and he was dung. Chelsea wouldnt take anything less than £50m for Luiz which is great business by them.
I was referring to the opening bid of £20m for Stones as insulting. Its neither here nor there in regards to Chelsea and their transfer policy, it doesnt affect United, unless Chelsea do the ground work and we go in with a bid of £35m knowing anything less has already been rejected.
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