John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids

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moonred said:
Everton won't get anywhere close to what they seem to expect, best case is to keep him and let him establish further before going away some summer in the future for a large amount. That's how this will go imo.
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Hasn't everyone clicked yet that Kenwright is too tight to under sell?
 
Think Mourinho has every right to make a bid for a player, and let it go public since it's official anyway. Martinez is just being a bit precious, as usual.

Everton have become pretty tough negotiators over the years, this could be a tough one for Chelsea. If they're seeing Stones as a long-term replacement for Terry, I expect to see a big bid before the window closes. I'm guessing realistically, at least 30mil to get it done.
 
Lizzi said:
Everton fans may think he is worth £50m, but realistically, Chelsea won't pay that much and Everton will accept a lot less than £40m.
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Only if he makes them or if they don't believe he'll be at least a very, very good CB. If they think he'll be Terry or Rio and he is willing to stay for another 3-4 years why not get good production from him at what is presumably not a bad wage and then sell at 24 or 25 when his value will be at least as high?

From Stones' point of view, he's better off using Chelsea's interest to get a raise and maybe some sort of clause for a CL team to be able to buy him for a not insane fee in 2017 or 2018. He's not ready for CL knockout games anyways, he has no real competition for a place at a good club surrounded by pretty good players in Jagielka, Baines, Coleman and McCarthy.

Better to be Javi Martinez, be one of the best players in the Europa League for a good club like Bilba and leave a year later than you should than being Jerome Boateng, Stefan Savic or Nastasic and waste a few years at City. Especially as a defensive player who will presumably have a lengthy career and for a coach like Mourinho who isn't exactly known for favoring youth or a high line at CB and with Terry coming off a season in which he was generally agreed to have been the Prem's best CB.

Chelsea are being stupid anyways with this one. Just wait a year and see how he does and spend on the CM they need to compete in the CL.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Hasn't everyone clicked yet that Kenwright is too tight to under sell?
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I should have added that dealing with Everton for a lower price won't be easy and thus more chances of Stones leaving a few years down the line when he is more established and the buyer not reluctant to pay the price. Saying that though, watch Chelsea buy him now for 25m.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
I think if Stones signs for Chelsea Zouma and him would be Terry and Cahill's backups with the hope that they will be their long term replacements. Zouma would probably spend another season helping out in midfield when not playing at CB and Stones would probably also be Ivanovic's backup when not at CB.
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Stones is better than Cahill already. Him being a back up to him would be a gross waste of talent.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Stones is better than Cahill already. Him being a back up to him would be a gross waste of talent.
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If we pay £30m or more for him I'm sure he'll be given every opportunity to displace Cahill. I even think we'll use Terry a bit more sparingly than last season and play Cahill with Stones if we got him.
 
ChaddyP said:
Rather put faith in developing our own young Center halves.
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Isn't he a right footer as well, so we would have Jones/Smalling and him, then Blind and Rojo at LCB. We need an experienced LCB. As you say we should be trying to develop our own.
 
Not worth buying now. We have our own young centre backs. This guy is very talented and has more potential than most but I would only buy him when he is the finished article. No point spending £30m on potential when we already have it in other players.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Isn't he a right footer as well, so we would have Jones/Smalling and him, then Blind and Rojo at LCB. We need an experienced LCB. As you say we should be trying to develop our own.
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We definitely need an experienced CB, but I wouldn't complain if we sign Stones. At the moment I don't think that he's better than any of our CB (bar Evans of last season), but in two years or so, he should be better than all of them. He has very good anticipation and positioninin and he is classy on the ball. Laporte who is quite similar to him is better/more experienced and actually better than any of our CB, but next to him and Varane, Stones is the best young CB for the general/smart CB role. Imagine getting him and Gimenez, in 5 years we would probably have a partnership as good as Rio-Vidic.
 
Now that Ramos is all but confirmed to have fecked us over we need to put our attention into getting Stones, a proper passing CB like LvG wants who will be a similar investment to Shaw and wont feck off to Spain in 4 years time when he reaches his peak years.
 
Devil may care said:
Now that Ramos is all but confirmed to have fecked us over we need to put our attention into getting Stones, a proper passing CB like LvG wants who will be a similar investment to Shaw and wont feck off to Spain in 4 years time when he reaches his peak years.
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I agree.
 
Stones might favour a move to Chelsea knowing that he could become the cornerstone of their team for years once Terry decides his time is up. With us I wouldn't say he's as certain to become a fixture in the side. Smalling is better, Jones has the potential to improve, Blind and Rojo are still young but with far more experience and McNair, I think, can go all the way to the top. I can see a Smalling/McNair partnership developing over the next couple of seasons.
 
Terry just came out and said he'll retire in two years.

The only reason we're after him is because he's young and he's English.
 
Theafonis said:
Terry just came out and said he'll retire in two years.

The only reason we're after him is because he's young and he's English.
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...and because he's really good and will only get better?
 
Theafonis said:
Perhaps. I think we can find cheaper center halves that are even better than Stones. At this point, we're just paying for potential.
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I doubt we'd find anyone better for significantly cheaper.
 
Theafonis said:
Perhaps. I think we can find cheaper center halves that are even better than Stones. At this point, we're just paying for potential.
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Like?

Laporte, Varane and Marquinhos would cost more.

I would say like Shaw that he is worth the £30m fee.
 
I think we may present Everton with a offer for this chap very soon. Chelsea pissing Everton off may give us an advantage.
 
Even as a TOP CB for Everton he want cost more than 35m so they would probably accept it if the wants to leave, as his price could only go down. Maybe some crazy bidding war could increase his price, but I am not sure about that.
 
Orc said:
If we pay £30m or more for him I'm sure he'll be given every opportunity to displace Cahill. I even think we'll use Terry a bit more sparingly than last season and play Cahill with Stones if we got him.
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Stones is still far from ready to displace cahill, experience matters, and mourinho isn't the patient type.
 
Someone said:
Stones is still far from ready to displace cahill, experience matters, and mourinho isn't the patient type.
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I just can't imagine us paying what would likely be a record fee for an English defender and going through all this trouble trying to get him only to make him ride the bench the entire season.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Absolutely. That lad is gonna be world-class in the next few years & it will be gut-wrenching seeing him play for someone else.

Also, there's very little chance that he'd want to f*ck off to Real either..
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Would take Stones over Ramos and Otamendi.
 
Orc said:
I just can't imagine us paying what would likely be a record fee for an English defender and going through all this trouble trying to get him only to make him ride the bench the entire season.
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He'll get games, but it'd be costly to count on him to start regularly right now, he isn't ready yet for that level.

I think mourinho is going for him now because this summer no other big club is interested, and the kid is a big english talent, another good season and maybe next summer united, arsenal and city are all over him.

It's much better for stones and for everton if he stays there.
 
Orc said:
I just can't imagine us paying what would likely be a record fee for an English defender and going through all this trouble trying to get him only to make him ride the bench the entire season.
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You's want him to replace Terry, which isnt likely to happen for another couple of seasons.

We both want him for the future, but he'd have more chance of playin games with us than he would with Chelsea - given how good a CB pairing Terry & Cahill are atm..
 
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