Will be far too expensive, surely something around 35-40m, which is a lot. We need a more established CB.
John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids
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He's worthy of the hype Jagga - unlike many other English prospects..
I can't see him leaving Everton. He's contracted until 2019, they really don't need the money (along with virtually every PL club with the ridiculous tv revenue), the player hasn't pushed to leave, and on top of everything he's a sensational English prospect. This would put his value up there with Sterling, and I can't see anyone paying that sort of money yet.
I'd love him at United though, he was at the top of my wishlist at the start of the summer and still would be. I don't think you can overestimate the importance of a British core in the squad, especially one with our history of British talent. Players like Stones, Smalling, Barkley, Sterling, Wilshere etc are the ones that you build a team around imo, as we did with Rooney (especially now that the home grown rules are set to be heightened).
I'd love him at United though, he was at the top of my wishlist at the start of the summer and still would be. I don't think you can overestimate the importance of a British core in the squad, especially one with our history of British talent. Players like Stones, Smalling, Barkley, Sterling, Wilshere etc are the ones that you build a team around imo, as we did with Rooney (especially now that the home grown rules are set to be heightened).
It's ridiculous how some people here automatically dismiss any young English talents as "over hyped English player".
It's as though England hasn't produced tens of world class players in the last two decades.
This guy is a class act.
It's as though England hasn't produced tens of world class players in the last two decades.
This guy is a class act.
Yep. Not what we need right now at all.
We probably will not sign him but, I think this should be the guy we go after this summer. Experience be damned.
yeah its only when you put an england shirt on them they look garbage compared to their non English counterparts.
I'm not saying Stones is the answer, but those asking for 'experienced' centre backs to be signed forget that Smalling and Jones have won leagues, played in the Champions League many times, have played at the World Cup, and have been part of the United squad for 5 seasons and 4 seasons respectively.
As far as 'experienced' goes, they have more than most.
As far as 'experienced' goes, they have more than most.
I think he will be a fantastic signing for Chelsea. Just what they need and they can probably go as high as 30 without looking too foolish (25 +add ons) . We need someone more established but for them he can play along terry and until they faze him out.
Spot on!
Swap Jones + dough, for Stones
Not going to happen as he's just signed a new contract, but as much as I want Stones, I don't think I'd want to lose Jones. I think he can be as good as Smalling if he can have a prolonged period without injury (as Smalling had last season). Obviously they have different qualities, but Smalling and Jones have been, and will continue to combine well together. It's just a shame that neither are great with the ball, but hopefully both will improve.
And our defense looked like a bunch of clowns in the last 2 years or so.
Smalling-Jones combo will be a disaster. It will automatically eleminate us from competing for the title. We can probably have one of them on the starting lineup, but not both of them at the same time. We need someone who is far better than them to lead our other defenders. Stones isn't the answer for that. At least, not right now.
Stones >>> Smalling > Jones
IMO
IMO
A good point often forgetten amongst all of the negative rhetoric.
And if there's one thing English football knows how to produce, it's a centre half.
Nonsense.
I think he's better than Jones. Smalling not quite.
I disagree. If they can stay fit they can become a good partnership. While they may look ungainly, they make very few errors compared to most. Their injury record suggests we need another player, not their ability.
Remains to be seen how good he really is. Personally, I don't rate Smalling and Jones, doubt they'd still be at United if they weren't English. But Stones hasn't even reached their level yet, it's all about his potential.
Stones is class but unfortunately I can't see us moving for him.
I could certainly see us looking back in a few years and thinking we made a mistake in sticking with Jones and not just replacing him with Stones though. Would be harsh on Jones but if Stones is the better talent...
I could certainly see us looking back in a few years and thinking we made a mistake in sticking with Jones and not just replacing him with Stones though. Would be harsh on Jones but if Stones is the better talent...
To Quote myself from another thread.
Stones has pretty good potential but his current state is being overrated fair bit.
He's not. It's complete nonsense.
Disagree on this completely.
Jones Smalling as long as they stay fit and get a good run together have the potential to be a very good partnership. Even last season they showed signs.
And our defense when fit last 2 seasons hasn't been as bad as is made out considering what was going on in front of them which was more shambles, and cosntant changing formations with no set structure.
Just having Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger in front of them in a structured set up regularly means they automatically improve as well.
Cool.
I don't agree with you, but to each on their own. I think that within 3 years, one of them will leave the club and the other will be a backup.
Staying fit is very important. As Rafael would tell us. As long as they aren't able to: a) stay fit for at-least 30 league games for season; b) don't do stupid decisions while playing; c) be significantly better than they are now, they won't form a great partnership for us and United won't win titles with them as our main defenders.
If Chelsea were buying a CB today and had the choice between Stones or Jones it wouldn't even be close. Stones with ease.
We wouldnt be interested in Jones if he played for someone else either..
£20-22m + Evans for Stones. Throw in Blackett as well. Get it done. An all English back line is possible.
Jones is only 2 years older than Stones. Keep forgetting how young he is. Still Have faith he will be come our rock at the back in a couple years time
United's defenders are always compared to Rio and Vidić and that's why they get all the criticism, while the same performances in a smaller club would bring a huge attention to them.
For Gods sake, Liverpool were ready to pay 22m for Jones, we paid 16-18 because we new about the clause and we still have to pay 2m if we win the league, Arsenal wanted him, but Wenger wasn't ready to spend that much money. Do you really think that SAF would be willing to spend so much on a young defender if he didn't play good at the time? And we all no he didn't develop still enough, but it's not only his fault, plus, he is very young.
The same is with Stones, he is overrated because he is in a smaller club, were some things go unnoticed. I am not saying that his potential is overrated, but his current abilities are and in no way is he better compared to Smalling.
For Gods sake, Liverpool were ready to pay 22m for Jones, we paid 16-18 because we new about the clause and we still have to pay 2m if we win the league, Arsenal wanted him, but Wenger wasn't ready to spend that much money. Do you really think that SAF would be willing to spend so much on a young defender if he didn't play good at the time? And we all no he didn't develop still enough, but it's not only his fault, plus, he is very young.
The same is with Stones, he is overrated because he is in a smaller club, were some things go unnoticed. I am not saying that his potential is overrated, but his current abilities are and in no way is he better compared to Smalling.
Both of them signed new deals in the last summer. I doubt it's only because they're English.
This is true and I have advocated passing on Stones and signing the more commanding Ottamendi for example. However when LVG was brought in I had visions of him creating a young team that would be together for 7-8 years. Instead, if we sign Ottamendi, when LVG goes we'll have Carrick, Rooney, SwinTiger, Young, Ottamendi himself making up half the team all needing to be replaced. Not far from being back to square one I'd say.
I didn't say it was the only reason, obviously they're good players. I just don't think they're good enough for a top European club. They're nowhere near the level of the players like Terry, Ferdinand, Campbell, etc. And yes, I believe being English was an important factor in both signing them and keeping them at the club.
He isn't. He's nowhere near Smalling's level either.
Are you saying Stones isnt better than Jones? If so...
You can have a opinion either way but not sure it warrants green smilies.
For example, Jones was statistically FWIW the best defender in the PL last season and the best for his age in all major leagues. Yeah, he makes weird faces and his injuries leading to no consistent runs in the side mean his previous reputation persists, but he is certainly not a joker some make him out to be.
I mean at a young age he has already man marked likes of Ozil, Bale, Ronaldo among others out of the game before playing at some of the biggest venues in different roles.
Maybe it's a expectation thing, but Jones plays poorly for England out of position vs Italy and he gets bashed all over and written off, but when Stones in his position has a stinker vs England U21s it gets ignored as growing pains etc..
This was the same system that rated Fellipe Anderson as the best striker in Europe though, they arent using sensible systems. Plus it was only under 23's.
Other stats ranked him around 19th. Stones has shown far more at this stage, and certainly doesnt do gollum impressions mid game
I am far from Jones biggest fan on here, but Jones is currently better than Stones.
Saying that, I'll expect the situation to be quite different in a couple of years. Stones looks far more talented and has a good ability on the ball.
Saying that, I'll expect the situation to be quite different in a couple of years. Stones looks far more talented and has a good ability on the ball.
We have Depay, who is the replacement for Young, we need a striker anyway with Rooney, or without, we bought Morgan so Carrick is also solved, plus Blind for rotation, all our CB's are young and Otamendi isn't old, Shaw is 20, Darmian is also young, we want really have problems on that side even after LVG.
I think you need to take talent when you can find it. It's much like the Luke Shaw situation, he wasn't remotely ready last year to play for a top club, but he had to be bought for long term.
Stones has great potential, but he's not what the team needs in the short term, but has it really come to the state of affairs that we can't build for the longer term.
I say bid now, we either get a top young talent or we force Chelsea to spend an extra 10m pounds. Either result is ok.
Stones has great potential, but he's not what the team needs in the short term, but has it really come to the state of affairs that we can't build for the longer term.
I say bid now, we either get a top young talent or we force Chelsea to spend an extra 10m pounds. Either result is ok.
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