Or better still, get Rooney to call the lad and convince him that he's the heir to Rio. Offer Jones or Evans (or both) plus cash.
John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids
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Or better still, get Rooney to call the lad and convince him that he's the heir to Rio. Offer Jones or Evans (or both) plus cash.
Bill Kenwright isnt very popular with the Everton faithful..if he sells , then its more than Stones he will lose..I think Everton are taking the same stance that we took when Chelsea came calling for Rooney, which is simply, even if the player wants to join you, we will not sell him to you.
If his contract does not already include such a figure, then a court could see 40m as more than a fair fee to release him for the contract.
yeah, but the Suarez thing was the same as United with CR7. They only kept the player quiet by promising they could leave smoothly the following season.
How serious were we, really, about trying to sign Rooney? We put in a knowingly derisory bid but that's it. Looked like we were just testing the waters to see how willing he was to move. Don't think he ever truly wanted to leave either.
It would be difficult to prove that 40 m is a fair fee to the club, especially as he has just signed a new deal meaning he has 4 years left on his deal...considering the current market prices
I would say it would be more difficult to prove that 40m was an unfair price. I think the court would favour the employee over the employer. It's only in the nutty world of football that it would be argued that 40m is a minor amount of money. A court of law may see it from a more normal perspective.
Very..recall you making three bids..25, 30 and a final one at 40...but United just like Everton now were not backing down..I remember at the time making their feelings well known about their hapiness at United leaking stuff at the media, especially when we let slip that you had offered us Mata and Luiz in return(Which you guys denied at the time, but was proven true by subsequent events)
You saw an opening there with most likely encouragement from the Rooney camp...and thought United were weak and would rollover at the time..I think the United hierachy, like the Everton now, felt the need to stand up and send a message..
Perhaps, but like we saw with Arsenal and Suarez, clubs are less willing to take the court route, as they know it will bite them too in future.
The only other case I recall is Heinze and Liverpool , and they lost.
yeah, Chelsea wouldn't want the court route.
Really? My memory must be terrible. All I remember is that initial 25m bid and then just giving up.
Jones and Evans......id even throw em a bit of cash
Of course it has nothing to do with 2 clubs you kinda hate.
I remember the press harping on about it at the time just like they are doing now..Even David Moyes admitted recently that you were close to signing him but United wouldnt budge..You probably had him convinced, just like you have Stones..but the clubs are standing firm
40m for Stones? Fecking hell. Even worse that they rejected it. He's a class youngster but is in no way worth that.
Not sure about that, his performance against Chelsea last season was every bit as good as anything Stones has done. That too, with him coming in after a few months without any regular football of any kind.
Both will probably get their players in the end anyway.
Shit, I thought you didn't want those transfers to happen.
not to derail this, but Im looking forward to cup games etc so we get to see McNair, Blackett and Pereira play
I thought Chelsea are transfer gods that get everything done in a snap? oh, wait..
Good on the toffees for telling Chelsea to feck off.
Kenwright is already in the shit with fans from their past dealings, he'd be a dead man walking if he sold out again.
Kenwright is already in the shit with fans from their past dealings, he'd be a dead man walking if he sold out again.
When dealing with reasonable clubs we usually get the job done. When a player hands in a transfer request and we bid an absurd amount and they still say no I don't think it's a knock against Chelsea's transfer prowess.
Anyone who tells Roman to shove his lorry load of Roubles up his backside is OK in my book.
What's that? Answering direct questions when asked about Stones? José has refused to comment on Stones for weeks, I've watched all of his press conferences.Have you seen what Mourinho and your players have been doing during this saga?
Cahill and JT were asked what they thought about Stones. If they were asked about Messi or Ronaldo they'd have given an opinion too.
Good for Everton, showing they've got stones and won't be bullied into selling him.
Because he knew exactly what he was trying to do. Neither needed to make a comment as it was obvious what journalists were pertaining to. If you're saying that Everton are being unreasonable (Basically because we're not going to sell one of our star assets who is content being here but would move if a bid was accepted and fans of big clubs can't seem to accept that and think they should be able to get anyone they want) then you should look at your own club first.
Crazy money. I really like him but he's miles away from being good enough to start at Chelsea on a regular basis. If I was Everton I'd snap Chelsea's hand of at 40mil.
Would he have put in a transfer request if he was content? That seems like a last ditch, desperate move to force Everton's hand.
Yes, i believe he would. He wouldn't have played the night after requesting a transfer if he wasn't content here. He'd be kicking up a fuss and telling Martinez he wasn't going to play.
That may be true. Conversely, maybe he figured if he didn't act up and kept quiet the club would reward him or smooth negotiations. I suppose what happens next will show which of us is correct. If he puts his head down and gets on with it then fair enough. If he goes public through his agent like Sterling did then what happens?
Or perhaps he has respect for the club and still wants to play and help them win even though he wants to leave. Same as DDG, he apparently isn't refusing to play and wants to be on the pitch but isn't content to stay at the club.
Everton aren't thinking logically. They have to take £40m, you can't turn that down. They are being blinded by stubbornness and what they consider to be morally right. They have lost all perspective of his true worth which is nothing like £40m. They need to evaluate the player properly then get in the phone to Chelsea and conclude the deal because that's a staggering amount of money on a kid who still represents a gamble of sorts.
I honestly don't see how we aren't thinking logically. I'd rather reject 40m now if we don't have suitable targets lined up than panic buy and waste that money and keep Stones who is still a very good player of us while bring in the targets we have made and can get. It would also mean there is potential to get the same or more next season or being able to keep him depending on what happens. The fact is that we don't overly need that 40m at this moment in time more than we need John Stones given our CB and defensive situation, it would just be very nice to have that additional money.
There are pros and cons to both.
There are pros and cons to both.
Stones is a young English man, with prices for English players going through the roof at the moment..if he has a half decent Euro 2016 next year, then his price goes up..and make no mistake, next year it probably wont be just Chelsea in for him with United and City likely to be interested..Plus he is their best player who they couldnt replace even with the money..Look at Liverpool and Spurs to see that sometimes it might be better to have the player..
Suarez was forced to stay at Pool, and had to train with the youth team..came back and nearly(Thank goodness) won them the league..
Scneiderlin wanted to leave Southampton too..helped them get into Europe
Modric
They are many players that have been refused transfers, got their heads down and played well...I expect this one to do the same..He is 21, and has a 4 year deal..if he doesnt perform, then he will be benched and that dream move may be lost forever.
No-one's going to offer £40m next time. Chelsea are desperate right now at this late stage and that's the only reason it's gone as high as this. If Everton don't need the money then fair enough, but I was under the impression Everton have needed money for the entirety of the last decade. The extra TV money helps but £40m is very hard to dismiss regardless.
I think £40m is a great deal for Stones and a very generous offer but I agree with this. Stone's price is not going to decrease unless he has a poor season so if Everton do not feel they will be able to adequately replace Stones before the end of the window then they are best off adopting the stance they have. Plus, Chelsea seem to be the only interested party in Stones right now. Give it a season and perhaps United, Arsenal and a few other big clubs will make offers for him.
I meant they will see their contracts out as an alternative. I don't like players forcing their ways through in such a manner, with a transfer request and all that. Especially young players. So yeah, your presumptions are wrong.
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