John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids
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If we got him he would probably be playing with Blind only for his ball-playing qualitys.
I'd love to see us sign him...huge potential......Smalling always gets injured and there's no decent back up right sided midfielder to come in and replace him....Jones and Evans can't be relied on........Signing Stones would give us more options and competition at the back and in a couple of seasons he will become a very solid defender
Hopefully Chelsea wrap this up for the extortionate price they deserve to pay.
Isn't Stones basically the new Smalling/Jones? i.e. a young english defender with lots of potential...i'd argue that United already have enough english talent to nurture in the back four with the two mentioned and Shaw tbh.
More talented than either Smalling or Jones though. But yeah, he's certainly not the finished article or anything like it.
Stones is currently way more established than Jones and Smalling were when they were signed by the club.
I think people are forgetting just how good Jones was for his age before he joined us. Smalling was the one that was out of the blue.
Do it, for Pete's sake!
Yeah he was a great prospect and I am one of the few here that still rate him. But, when we signed him he was a teenager with only one year experience as a first teamer and Big Sam mostly used him in midfield. John Stones has three years as a first teamer, has mostly played as a CB and has played with the Senior national team
Only 2 season at PL level. And Jones has made 94 PL appearances for us by the age of 23. That's not exactly lacking on the experience.
Jones is biggest problem is that he's able to play (not well mind you) positions other than CB, which has led to people moving him about. I still think he can be a starting CB for us and I don't honestly see Stones as an improvement (at least not currently), United are running out of scapegoats so when Evans is eventually forced out, I imagine Jones will be the next target.
You do not need to defend Jones to me. I am just saying Stones is further along than Jones was when we signed him. Which is expected since Stones is two years older than Jones was when we signed him.
I watched Watford-Everton and thought he was excellent until he got fooled for the goal. He's got the ball skills to be a Ramos type CB, making the occasional mistake but very well suited to mopping up long balls and moving the ball well in possession, though he's not quite the athlete Ramos is. What I mean is, he makes sense as a signing for a good team that wants to build from the back and play a high line. Someone like Jones makes more sense for a team with their back to the wall more often.
I think United would find more success in signing someone like Otamendi instead of Stones.
Why aren't we or city heavily linked with him, I dont understand.
City need English players and are rumoured to want a CB.
We are clearly in the market for a CB if available, and English ideally is the Utd way. His price is inflated, but we potentially have Evans as the bargaining chip. Very odd.
Maybe he has stated Chelsea or nowhere.
City need English players and are rumoured to want a CB.
We are clearly in the market for a CB if available, and English ideally is the Utd way. His price is inflated, but we potentially have Evans as the bargaining chip. Very odd.
Maybe he has stated Chelsea or nowhere.
None of the 'journalists' have thought of it yet. You should email them and tell them and then we can read about it tomorrow.
Everton manager Roberto Martinez is adamant...
My browser only showed that much of the headline about him being adamant about not selling Stones.
Martinez: "You may not like the things we do. Only idiots ignore the truth. It's easy to lay down and hide. Where's the warrior without his pride?
My browser only showed that much of the headline about him being adamant about not selling Stones.
Martinez: "You may not like the things we do. Only idiots ignore the truth. It's easy to lay down and hide. Where's the warrior without his pride?
would anyone here swap jones for stones?
In a heartbeat. Stones is younger, more established than Jones was at his age and likely less injury prone.
same. Wonder if thats something Everton would consider. Does anyone want evans lets be honest
Definitely yes.
Not a chance in hell they'd consider it. They rejected £20million for Stones, no way would they (or anyone else for that matter) value Jones the same.
Oh hell yeah!
Id even give them Evans to go with Jones.
Jones has everton player written all over him. I think that should be something we consider. Unless of course stone's party have told everyone he isnt interested in anyone bar Chelsea which I cant see.
I like Stones but no.
I wouldn't swap Jones for Stone.
If Stone had been here playing behind that midfield for the last 3 years and Jones had been at Everton, we'd be having the same conversation and people would be raving about Jones and slamming Stones.
They are both young, talented defenders with good strengths but plenty to learn. If we are going to strengthen out defence we need to bring in experience and grit. Not more youth.
If Stone had been here playing behind that midfield for the last 3 years and Jones had been at Everton, we'd be having the same conversation and people would be raving about Jones and slamming Stones.
They are both young, talented defenders with good strengths but plenty to learn. If we are going to strengthen out defence we need to bring in experience and grit. Not more youth.
No. And I don't rate Jones particularly highly.
Obviously, but Everton would want a stack of cash on top
Good defender, but last couple of games I've watched him hes been poor. So why swap him for Jones, hes also quite injury prone too if last season is something to go by.
I don't think there is much between Jones and Stones at all. Jones was performing very well for Blackburn at 18 in two different positions which triggered his transfer to us, he hasn't developed as much as we would have liked since and it has a lot to do with being shuffled between three different positions (midfielder, right back and center half).
I think during Ferguson era he spent the least amount of time playing in his natural position because there was always need for him elsewhere due to lack of players (injury prone Rafael was our only right back and Fergie refused to buy midfielders).
I think during Ferguson era he spent the least amount of time playing in his natural position because there was always need for him elsewhere due to lack of players (injury prone Rafael was our only right back and Fergie refused to buy midfielders).
Jones hasn't adapted to playing in a high line. He is still largely a reactive defender who uses his pace to overcome deficiencies in anticipation and positioning. That being said, I agree that he would be a good defender if he played in Chelsea's deep defensive line.
This is the reason the Jones - Blind backline looked awful in preseason was that Jones was the defender sitting deep and mopping up while Blind was the one tasked with being aggressive and stepping in front of the striker.
In a heartbeat. Due to the reasons stated above. Stones isn't the finished product, but he can be molded into the type of defender we need long-term. I don't think Jones can at this point.
Of course. There's a reason Stones is valued around 30M and we'd probably get half that for Jones.
£10million +Jones + Evans? haha
If we are in for him, considering how hard Everton (and other teams in the 7-10 range in the Prem) may find it to close a deal, I do think Evans or Jones going the other way could well be part of it, since they need a CB already and would need two with Stones leaving.
I'd say 16-18 + Jones or 23-25 + Evans. They get someone to play next to Jagielka and immediately send most of the Stones money over to the best, youngest CB they can get in late August.
Agreed Evans defo. I suppose keeping Jones for 1 more season at least is only fair to him. Evans though, I would push him to Everton in a wheelbarrow myself If we got Stones in return.
As i said earlier in this thread, Jones + £ for Stones pls 
Martinez has said Stones is going nowhere and usually Martinez turns out to be right when he says these things.....I'd love Stones here as Evans and Jones can't be relied on but he's probably best off giving Everton another season
Everton won't sell Stones this summer, they know next summers the Euros and his stock and price will only inflate if he has a decent tournament.
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