Is 35million Laporte's release clause for sure?
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John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids
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Is 35million Laporte's release clause for sure?
Don't really like dealing with Bilbao and their bizarre transfer policies.
Don't be ridiculous. That is on Sterling level. Sterling is at the moment significantly the better player while also being an attacker and attackers cost more than defenders.
Everton can ask for as much as they want, but no one will pay close to it.
Rio was already one of the best CB in the league. And probably in the world too. Stones at the moment is just a top young CB. Something that Jones was a few years ago.
He signed a new contract a few months ago, putting a release clause of 50m euros, which is 35.23m pounds. Add the 5% tax which happens always in Sain (IIRC it was 1.4m or so for Herrera) so in the end it will be around 37m pounds.
So, sell Evans for 7m.
Isn't Laporte left footed, WTF is LVG waiting for!
Dude, first off its a figure of speech considering how ridiculous English players are worth these days, especially the ones who have the spotlight on them. and secondly your head is in past my friend, the market has changed and football is moving faster now as Players are being bought before they even hit their best. Everyone is looking for new Messi, the new Nesta, the new Zindane and the these clubs are buying players solely on potential now and are willing to pay big to get them because if they succeed that potential. There worth becomes even more insane which means PROFIT. That's why i think he is worth to get for 25m+, because if he does succeed his potential and i dont know becomes the best CB in England for example. What do you think he'll be worth then considering he's apparently worth more than 25m right now? Its gamble indeed, but thats what the market is now these days.
Everything above 30m will be ridiculous for him considering that add a few millions and you can get Laporte who at the moment is quite better. In fact, even 30m is way above his worth and is mostly based on his Englishness. Gimenez who is better has a 22m release clause.
While you're right on saying that if he becomes a top CB then 25m would look a bargain, what if he doesn't? We have been there before on Jones and Zaha to name a few. Not every young player who looks great will indeed become great. I rate Stones highly (in top 5 U21 CB in Europe), but spending 30m in him is already ridiculous, while spending 50m on him means that the spender has borrowed PSG's CEO brain.
Imagine CB duo Jones - Stones.
Poet's dream.
Poet's dream.
Laporte-Stones is my football manager CB partnership btw #justsayin 
I hope that in a couple of years, that will be our CB partnership for real.Laporte-Stones is my football manager CB partnership btw #justsayin
TBH I have lost the ability to care what clubs spend on players now... it all just seems like ridiculous prices, when you think what £30m could do and it is being proposed for a barely proven footballer, I get the business arguments etc... but to me the money has got to a point where it has lost all meaning, if the club can offset the loss against the gain and they have the money I could care less.
I would be pleased to see another English player in the line up, I know it is a bone of contention but one of the things I have always felt a pride in with UTD was the large if not English only, but UK + Ireland number of first team regulars, signing English is a bonus for me regardless of the premium.
I would be pleased to see another English player in the line up, I know it is a bone of contention but one of the things I have always felt a pride in with UTD was the large if not English only, but UK + Ireland number of first team regulars, signing English is a bonus for me regardless of the premium.
No chance we (united) will go for him unless van gaal is tired of phillip jones.
Because he's not left footed?
£30m or £35m plus Evans would be a good deal
Unfortunately Yes
That would be utterly ridiculous, missing out on the best young English CB in a decade, we should be looking to eventually have Shaw, Stones and Kane as core players in our team. Also if the left footed thing is so huge then why the Ramos chase? He is right footed.
So we're paying them £5m extra to take Evans off our hands?
Yes that was the joke mate!
Yep and add Bale to that list..
How so given we did the same with Shaw. No such thing as too expensive if it means you bring them in and they reach their expected level. I mean Hazard was deemed "too expensive".....not really something a club with the loftiest of ambitions has any right to say.....
We should be after him.
Looking at the bigger picture, it's a sign of the times that Chelsea are after him and we're not. If a 17 year old Rooney was developing at Everton in 2015 instead of 2002, I wouldn't be so sure we'd be favourites to sign him and that's rather disconcerting.
Looking at the bigger picture, it's a sign of the times that Chelsea are after him and we're not. If a 17 year old Rooney was developing at Everton in 2015 instead of 2002, I wouldn't be so sure we'd be favourites to sign him and that's rather disconcerting.
Rio Ferdinand tells John Stones Manchester United better than Chelsea. Would he play more often for United?
There were people saying in this thread that Stones wants to go to Chelsea. I wonder a bit about that because I don't see him as a regular starter for Chelsea.
We also tend to buy defenders rather cheap. The price for Stones would be uncommon for a defender at Chelsea. I'd rather buy someone cheaper.
There were people saying in this thread that Stones wants to go to Chelsea. I wonder a bit about that because I don't see him as a regular starter for Chelsea.
We also tend to buy defenders rather cheap. The price for Stones would be uncommon for a defender at Chelsea. I'd rather buy someone cheaper.
We did sign Shaw last summer in fairness and he is probably as close as you can get to the Rooney mould (young teenage English superstar) as you could have gotten in recent periods.
We have more competition now for players. Man City are around and Chelsea weren't established in 2004.
You look at the signings both those clubs have made and a lot of them were signings we or Arsenal would have made.
But I don't think LVG wants him for some reason. I think Everton would prefer to sell to us as we can offer them a replacement in Evans.
I've seen him play and he looks pretty good, but not enough to know if he's worth the hype. Anyone who has watched him more regularly can confirm? Is he really the next proper English defender to come up? Are the comparisons with Terry justified?
And fortunately you are wrong, while LVG prefers a left footers, as long as the player can use efficiently is left foot, he is fine.
If they are justified then he is not worth this kind of money. Terry is brilliant, but only in a defensive makeup like Mourinho prefers. How many other teams play like that and how long will Mou stay at Chelsea? (He'd be worth the money if he was to become the next Rio.)
Stones would be our best defender if he signed. Get it done.
It might be unpopular but we have Jones who is 2 years older and a good defender, spending 35m on Stones isn't warranted. And I think that our defensive problems have nothing to do with personal but more about collective organisation and LVG will never fix that, he couldn't with Bayern.
Stones isn't even that good? He makes a lot of concentration errors like Jones does. Sure he's comfortable on the ball but he's definitely not the answer to our defensive issues.
Watched him in the match against Villareal in the Duncan Ferguson testimonial ..the first 60 minutes where a proper match played at a very high tempo, and his tackling was especially impressive..He looks fairly decent and is very calm for someone his age..He looks like a good defender, but another season at Everton would do him no harm..I think next season would be better to move, especially after sealing a spot in the national team for EURO2016
Havent seen enough of Stones, but do we honestly think he would come in and be first choice and lead our CBs, huge ask.
However if he is as good as everyone is saying then yeah he would. But dont like the similarity to Jones ie one decent season, big money signing for young english player who then potentially wont cut it. And we're pinning all our hopes on.
Having said that not sure what other CBs in world football are out there.
However if he is as good as everyone is saying then yeah he would. But dont like the similarity to Jones ie one decent season, big money signing for young english player who then potentially wont cut it. And we're pinning all our hopes on.
Having said that not sure what other CBs in world football are out there.
Not the immediate answer to our problems. Asking a player that young to come in and effectively shore up at CB is a massive ask.
Saw Rio make a point about the difference in going from West Ham>Leeds>United as opposed to going straight from West Ham>Utd.
I think he's the type of player you pick up for £3m from Barnsley and then thanks the footballing Gods that you landed a potentially great player for a bargain.
But if we're in the market for potential then go for it LVG.
Saw Rio make a point about the difference in going from West Ham>Leeds>United as opposed to going straight from West Ham>Utd.
I think he's the type of player you pick up for £3m from Barnsley and then thanks the footballing Gods that you landed a potentially great player for a bargain.
But if we're in the market for potential then go for it LVG.
He's not playing for a big team so his errors are not magnified like how Jones' are. I mean, there are a lot of times when we did not even concede a goal nor even a shot when Jones had made a slight error, but yet everyone is slaughtering him for doing so. Stones on the other hand just gets away with little to no attention.
Stones is more established than Jones was when we signed him. Plus 2 years older.
You just have to look at how Everton were when he was injured last season. When he came back from his injury, they were a much better team and looked miles better. Especially the defence.
Thats the same with us and Smalling Jones partnership though right?! Not saying that's the answer but just for comparison.
We did look better when we had a solid partnership. I just don't trust Jones injury wise and he at times can be a headless chicken. I think Stones looks far more composed and we should not let Chelsea have a free run at signing him.
Can Stones efficiently use his left foot compared to his right? I really hope so. Otherwise Stones seems like a replacement for Jones.
I have no idea, I haven't seen a lot of Stones. He seems to have a good technique.
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