Yes but who do they have replacing stones? Alcaraz?? Jesus I think I could be a better defender than him
John Stones | Everton say they will reject all bids
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Buy him.
We should be listening to Rio's advice and be trying to bring him here before he ends up at Chelsea. You will get a decade of service from him and he has already shown signs that he will in all likelihood have a very promising career. We should top Chelsea's highest offer by a few million and throw in Evans to get it done. Seen nothing significant about our interest in him though so doesn't look like happening unfortunately.
English defenders are the very few players worth 30+million any day of the week.
Jones and Smalling both were even more promising when we bought them. I don't think Stones at the moment is better than them. To buy another one just in terms of potential I don't think it's appropriate. We need an experienced CB.
A CB pairing of smalling and stones would be very good.
Young but pretty solid.
Young but pretty solid.
Always liked Stones. But the premium added on for English players is ridiculous. He's definitely not worth what Everton are asking for him. He has plenty of potential, but Jones was meant to be a future England captain and look what happened there. Besides, we have a lot of potential in our squad at the moment with Blackett and McNair looking promising.
I'd sooner get Otamendi for around the same money if not a little cheaper.
I'd sooner get Otamendi for around the same money if not a little cheaper.
To make a case for buying Stones you have to include selling either Jones or Smalling. Not the easy choice Evans, it's a right-footer that would have to go.
Given unlimited funds I would take Stones and sell Jones, but there is no such thing as unlimited funds, so, could the cash be spent better elsewhere?
Given unlimited funds I would take Stones and sell Jones, but there is no such thing as unlimited funds, so, could the cash be spent better elsewhere?
Why?
Because spending such a shedload on a third right-footed centre back would be a bit dim. Both Smalling and Jones are assets too valuable to be third choice and hardly playing. Unfair on one of them, and a waste for the club.
As I've said before, I rate him very highly, just behind Smalling but higher than Jones. Young, English and a proper centre back. Would love to have him here. He's already several levels of development above Smalling and Jones when they first arrived at United.
Smalling was an unknown quality when we bought him and Jones was a brave defender which somehow got translated in England as being that good.
I think that currently Smalling is definitely better and Jones is likely better than Stones but Stones is better than any of them at their ages and IMO is the total package. Good interceptions and tackling, good positioning and very good in the ball. Both Smalling and Jones lack in one or two of those categories.
I think that in 3-5 years from now it won't even be close which one of those three will be the better defender.
I agree. Would it be the best way of spending £30m, and would you get rid of Smalling or Jones?
I'd keep both of them as competition for each other. £30m really doesn't buy you much these days especially for an Englishman. We've already proven we don't care about spending money as evident by our recent transfer dealings. This would be a Shaw type signing except Stones is probably more value for money. He's one of the best defenders in the world for his age.
What do you mean both of them, Stones would make three right-footers. I agree he would be a step up, but you're sitting on the fence, ditch Smalling or Jones?
Why do we need to sell any of them? We've got three right footed centre backs as it is. That'll be the same if we sell Evans and bring Stones in.
If we have all three, the best two would start and the other would have to settle for backup. It's not as if we can rely on Smalling and Jones to stay fit either, particularly the latter.
Stones is very good at passing so I don't think that LVG would have any trouble on playing him as left CB. I don't think that it is neccesarily playing a left footer as LCB, but more playing someone who is efficient at passing on LCB position. And usually left footers are better at it on that position.
Smalling-Rojo-Jones-Stones would be an okayish combo to go for next season (probably on that pecking order) with Stones gradually taking more responsibility and more appearances. Probably bin the worst of Rojo/Jones next summer if one of them doesn't improve.
Fair comments Senor and Revan, if LVG wasn't manager, but you can't gloss over that he has repeatedly said he wants a left centre back.
I suppose you could keep all three and sack LVG though, that would solve it.
I suppose you could keep all three and sack LVG though, that would solve it.
The weird thing is he's spent all summer chasing a right footed CB.
Woody and LVG need to wave some dollars for this lad.
Want
Just got absolutely done by Ighalo
Must've been poor today
Still got so much learning to do. He'll only end up sitting on the bench if he goes now.
Yep. After that Chris Sutton was talking about why clubs don't go north of the border and look at Virgil van Dijk at Celtic instead as he's just as good, maybe better apparently.
Anyone have an (informed) opinion on that comparison?
Van Gaal being dutch would definitely know all about him......There's no question he is a top player but perhaps not Top 4 level. If he has never been able to get into the dutch national team ahead of the likes of Vlaar, Martins Indi and D Vrij then perhaps he's not all that but he's only 24 years old so maybe he will take his career to the next level soon.
van Dijk is definitely too good for the SPL. He should move if he wants to challenge himself. A lot are saying Denayer has huge potential, but van Dijk looked plenty better than him last season. He strolls through games for Celtic, similar to how Wanyama did. He's enormous as well. I've never seen a player get the better of him physically.
It's hard to judge from the SPL though. Wanyama stood out a mile and has definitely made the step and become a very good Premier League player. I also thought Jelavic looked a cut above the SPL, but he didn't really make the transition too well barring the occasional spectacular goal.
Edit: Just checked Transfermarkt. He's not left footed. It's off.
It's hard to judge from the SPL though. Wanyama stood out a mile and has definitely made the step and become a very good Premier League player. I also thought Jelavic looked a cut above the SPL, but he didn't really make the transition too well barring the occasional spectacular goal.
Edit: Just checked Transfermarkt. He's not left footed. It's off.
Is John Stones really 30mn better than Paddy McNair? Haven't really seen him play all that much.
His head might not have been in the game today in fairness. 2 bids from Chelsea can do that to you.
Yes, he is.
Righto, cheers.
So we are doing that thing where we right off a player because of one match?
He's not really that good.
Well this is interesting. But clearly better than Paddy McNair eh? I like Paddy, thought he did really well when called upon last season.
He's obviously better than McNair, but just like McNair he's a young CB with a lot of potential and one who can play very well on the ball, but for some reason the clamour on here is way too much. I watched him at the U21s and today and he was very suspect defensively. He has a lot to learn.
This is all true. He has a lot to learn and would be better off staying where he is and having guaranteed first team football.
He's still the most talented English CB since Rio though, which means people are right to value him highly. He doesn't need to be the finished article to command a big fee or attract our attention.
Yep he's a good young player but im not convinced he'd be in our top 2 CBs defensively. The main thing is that he's good on the ball
He's far better than Paddy. On current ability he isn't near a 30m player though, so unless you evaluate Paddy in negative money, he isn't 30m better than McNair.
If we go north of 30m for a CB, then it should be for Laporte not Stones. Won't complain if we sign either of them though.
Come on Everton ... tell em' it's £45m or bust. We all know that Chelski have become that little bit more desperate after their weekend defensive performance.
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