I don't know but keep going haha! You should be known from here on as " The Greengrocer"
John Stones | Done Deal
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Stones is English and coming from the Premier League so he is not representative of the price of an unproven CB
This deal and the Higuain deal makes me more comfortable about the enormous outlay for Poggers.
There are more talent in Pogba's curry shits than in Stones.
There are more talent in Pogba's curry shits than in Stones.
Who said anything about unproven?
This deal does put Pogba's deal into perspective. 50m for a defender who can't defend....bloody hell
I'll be the minority that says this will be an excellent signing and that the £50m will look like a bargain in 4 years time
City keeps spending awful lot money on defenders without actually improving their defence much. Great stuff, glad we didn't go for Stones.
Ferdinand himself would hate this kind of criticism. Did you know he once got irate at listening to people harangue Stones for any perceived mistake that he rang up the talk show himself to defend him? It's worth a listen if you think Ferdinand might know a thing or two about being a decent centre back.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...hn-Stones-against-Everton-fans-criticism.html
Yep. Early on Rio was quite prone to the odd mistake, he was well known for "falling asleep"
It wasn't until a couple of years after joining us he started to become solid and build on the obvious talent he had.
Lucas Radebe was a great defender.
Given the way money in football is increasing, any successful transfer done now will definitely look like a bargain 4 years later. It's all about whether or not they do well rather than the price they're acquired at imo.
Just finished listening 5 live daily podcast...you can hear only words like "great",part about Stones wasnt the worst,when they came to Hart...he could/should be a captain of City,guy might not even be 1st team GK,let along captain.
Very true. I remember driving home from Old Trafford after watching Madrid knock us out the CL in 2003. We lost the tie 6-5 on aggregate and the phone in was dominated by United fans moaning about our defence letting down the attack. Ferdinand, being the most expensive defender in the world, was getting the brunt of the criticism for falling asleep, not kicking it into row z, being overhyped because he could only pass and not defend etc etc. It's unsurprising that he is such an advocate of Stones when the criticism he faces today is so similar to what Rio received back then.
City love to spend ridiculous amounts of money on centre backs. They seem to get a new one every summer.
Aye, weird to disregard him like that. Didn't Fergie try to sign him? Injuries blighted the back end of his career, but in his prime, he was class. If he were playing today, he would be worth an absolute fortune given his defensive and ball playing qualities.
What has he proven? that he can give away goals and not perform when his side need someone to hold it down? He barely has 1 solid season under his belt. For me he has it all to prove
Basically this.
City to overspend on another overrated defender, good times.He can defend
That's a ridiculous statement
Guardiola or Mourinho wouldn't have wanted him if 'he can't defend'
Last season he was poor but Martinez for me is a horrific defensive coach. Jerome Boateng was poor at City but look how he improved when he went to a better team with better tactics and better coaching.
Jones + 49 m.
Boetang wasn't 'pot' at City. He barely got a proper chance to play. Wasn't he also used at RB and not CB there?
He can defend, just he's not very good at it.
I'll go along with those suggesting Stones will turn out to be an excellent player at City after two to three years. Let's be honest, playing in a Martinez defence is not the best environment to develop as a young defender but that's not to say he's without his flaws.
He'll grow a lot under Guardiola, as I believe he would have under Jose but yes he has a lot to learn. £50M is obviously a huge, huge outlay and on current ability he's worth probably less than half of that.
He'll grow a lot under Guardiola, as I believe he would have under Jose but yes he has a lot to learn. £50M is obviously a huge, huge outlay and on current ability he's worth probably less than half of that.
It still amazes me there was one time Jerome Boateng could not beat out Micah Richards for City's RB spot.
I think he's a great signing and 5 years from now we'll rue it. When you buy potential you don't get the finished article. Hope I'm wrong.
Same as everyone else would be saying if we were signing him.
Not fussed at all about this
I have doubts about his defensive qualities, but there's no doubt he has a fantastic name for a defender. That probably adds £5M to his transfer fee alone.
He's a ball playing CB which is exactly what pep wants from his system. Looks like a perfect signing for them.
Best avoided this summer. He isn't what we need.
I don't think he is shit just dont get the hype at all he is an average defender not at all worth the 50m and I'm happy city are signing him.
It's not similar to Rio because Rio had just come off an outstanding performance for England and a solid season with Leeds, his value went up a little more when you add on Leeds selling their star man to one of their rivials. Also I think Rio was already a star where as there are still a lot of question marks over stones.
For me he is an alright defender the same as sterling is an ok winger delle alli is an ok midfielder and Kane is a decent striker, typical over hype around English players that enable the selling team to name thier price
It's not similar to Rio because Rio had just come off an outstanding performance for England and a solid season with Leeds, his value went up a little more when you add on Leeds selling their star man to one of their rivials. Also I think Rio was already a star where as there are still a lot of question marks over stones.
For me he is an alright defender the same as sterling is an ok winger delle alli is an ok midfielder and Kane is a decent striker, typical over hype around English players that enable the selling team to name thier price
Them too had brilliant seaons last year. Just bad Euros
This is what I think too, a Pique for his Man City set up. In a regular game plan he's average but we don't know yet what he can do in a possession based system.
Jerome Boateng is a good example
He is the most promising English defender who is currently not at a top club. Of course there would be a huge English mark-up on him. Sterling went for more than that.
David fecking Luiz also went for that much.
Call me old school but I don't buy this ball playing defender hype. Sure, I do appreciate a defender that can pass the ball. Defenders like Maldini and Rio are actually among my favourites. However a defender must be a defender first and anything else is a bonus, especially at this level.
That's not something all managers agree with though. If I had my way, the likes of Luiz, Rojo and Silvestre would enter the stadium only as paying guests.
Dont take me wrong, Stones may improve in the future. However should a club spend 50m on a defender whose weakness is actually defending?
When Chelsea were in for him last year I said the fee will have to be 50m+. You can't tempt Everton with 30-40 million offers, not last year and certainly not this year.
I don't think his weakness is defending. I would say his weakness is the same weakness of many young players. Concentration. He's prone to make the most ridiculous of mistakes, but thats some that Rio had in his game for a long time.
He is an awesome ball player but prone to make mistakes when defending or by trying too much . If he can learn to defend proper then they will have a hell of a player , but I doubt it . I'm pretty sure Tuanzbe and Williams are the better talents in terms of potential
Lets stop saying that can we? Most of us must understand that a defender mustn't be a tough tackling bouncer like Vidic, Materazzi or Bruce to be good in defending. Some can actually be excellent defenders (in defending) while barely committing themselves in any tackles. Rio at 23 lead our defence to glory. Stones cant do that.
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