John Stones | Done Deal

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Great deal for United. Another overpriced, average defender added to their ranks.
 
Merson just sounds like your typical bloke in your local. Talking complete drivel, with an occasional moment of sanity.
 
Gentleman Jim said:
It's too much, no doubt, but the type of players Pep needs for his system are part of an extremely select club. With City's problems regarding home/foreign squad balance that reduces our options still further.
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I agree. Stones is simply a must buy for City. Same as Sterling last year. The home grown quota means City simply have to be in for any top English talent that is ready to move. Also, why I am convinced you guys will move for Wilshere, given any encouragement.
 
Gentleman Jim said:
It's too much, no doubt, but the type of players Pep needs for his system are part of an extremely select club. With City's problems regarding home/foreign squad balance that reduces our options still further.
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It's a fair point and generally speaking it's sort of the same scenario for most teams now as there'll be a lot of competition for the most developed English talent out there.
 
He has talent. I think he will develop well.

It's 2016. This is the sort of fee that is becoming normal.
 
Gentleman Jim said:
No idea what you're on about.
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I think he is referring to the magic 8 ball.
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He's good, and he's underrated on here as most people only took notice in his only bad season so far (last year) because he was linked with a lot of big clubs including United. I'd have liked to keep him, especially with Koeman now but 50m is silly money.
 
50 million on stones

40 million on mangala

32 million on otamendi

3.5 million demichalis

And city have the cheek to take the piss out of us for wanting to spend 100 million on pogba
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
50 million on stones

40 million on mangala

32 million on otamendi

3.5 million demichalis

And city have the cheek to take the piss out of us for wanting to spend 100 million on pogba
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City don't want Pogba because it brings unnecessary attention on them according to some City fan here, so signing Stones won't bring that attention?
 
I'll stick my neck out and say he's going to be excellent next year with Guardiola managing him and that's he going to be regarded as one of the best CBs in the world within a few years. And on the price: it doesn't seem that much. Ferdinand was £30m all those years ago; £50m for 10 years is a good deal.
 
notcool said:
I'll stick my neck out and say he's going to be excellent next year with Guardiola managing him and that's he going to be regarded as one of the best CBs in the world within a few years. And on the price: it doesn't seem that much. Ferdinand was £30m all those years ago; £50m for 10 years is a good deal.
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Spot on
 
Going to be a good signing for City. Even if he doesnt hit the world class heights of a Rio , he will be a very good defender at the very least. 50m for a defender who could potentially give them 8-10 years service is sound business
 
He is:

A) Talented
B) Underrated here as many only watched him last season.
C) Homegrown, something City can't afford to overlook.
D) A perfect fit for Guardiola (a manager who is talking about playing Fernandinho in defence as he values on-ball ability in that position so much).

Let me put it this way: If Stones is so terrible, why would both Guardiola and Mourinho try to sign him over the last 12 months? Two very different managers with very different philosophies still see the worth in Stones. It ain't a coincidence.
 
sullydnl said:
He is:

A) Talented
B) Underrated here as many only watched him last season.
C) Homegrown, something City can't afford to overlook.
D) A perfect fit for Guardiola (a manager who is talking about playing Fernandinho in defence as he values on-ball ability in that position so much).

Let me put it this way: If Stones is so terrible, why would both Guardiola and Mourinho try to sign him over the last 12 months? Two very different managers with very different philosophies still see the worth in Stones. It ain't a coincidence.
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Doubt anyone truly thinks he's shit. He's just basically a young, English David Luiz right now. Brilliant with the ball for a CB but utterly mindless when it comes to actually defending. You know, what a CB is supposed to do. He's prone to making extremely stupid decisions.

Of course, he's still a kid and that'll only get better. But for £50m you'd expect a more polished player. At least I would. The most expensive CB ever will be a kid who was regularly dropped by an Everton side who were woeful at the back. Mind blowing.
 
notcool said:
I'll stick my neck out and say he's going to be excellent next year with Guardiola managing him and that's he going to be regarded as one of the best CBs in the world within a few years. And on the price: it doesn't seem that much. Ferdinand was £30m all those years ago; £50m for 10 years is a good deal.
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Criminal to compare Ferdinand with him right now. Anyone good with the ball is compared with Rio.

But he surely is talented, there's a reason why Jose and Guardiola rate him highly.
 
I wouldn't mind him at United - he was poor last season but Martinez is simply awful at managing a defence. He knows he wants players to play, but that's as far as his instructions seem to go as far as I can tell. Under a manager who knows how to drill a defence Stones could flourish.

He is overrated, and he's not as good on the ball as some would like to suggest (just because he does it often, doesn't make him good at it) but he has plenty of potential to develop into something special. He just needs to get the right manager to develop him.
 
£50m is definitely overpriced, but you can absolutely see why Pep wants him. Peps system typically relies on a CB being able to push up into the midfield and play football to become the extra man against teams who pack the midfield (there is a video of him talking about this somewhere). I can't help but feel that he sees Stones as his man in that system here. We are no longer in the market for a list of names on paper, but looking for players who actually fit the system the manager wants to play. It helps that a lot of them are young too. I'm really excited by this signing if I'm honest.

 
Makes the Pogba transfer look like a bargain. An unproven 22 year old who cannot break into the national team on a regular basis.
 
He is good. His defending isnt even that bad, he had actually good games against us. I think his dithering and hesitation on the ball, which resulted into total distasters at times, gave him a bad reputation. I think he will be a good buy for them, he has all the ingredients to become a top defender.
 
So glad we have moved away from the possession game, Van Gaal would have been all over Stones this summer I reckon.

Pep is going to find the PL tough going.
 
Manchester Dan said:
£50m is definitely overpriced, but you can absolutely see why Pep wants him. Peps system typically relies on a CB being able to push up into the midfield and play football to become the extra man against teams who pack the midfield (there is a video of him talking about this somewhere). I can't help but feel that he sees Stones as his man in that system here. We are no longer in the market for a list of names on paper, but looking for players who actually fit the system the manager wants to play. It helps that a lot of them are young too. I'm really excited by this signing if I'm honest.

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Which signing?
 
Think this time next year he'll be viewed as clearly the best English CB.

I'm a massive fan of Stones. I'd swap any of our CB options for him.
 
I would hope the fans of a club about to spend £100m on Pogba would be self aware enough to not rib another club for their spending.
 
His talent is there for all to see. He just needs a bit of tuning. Hopefully Guardiola won't manage that.
 
£50m is stupid but if it gets us the player so be it. People like to laugh at rival teams when it's deemed they overspend but at the end of the day if the player succeeds on the pitch the price becomes immaterial. Just look at Martial.
 
Orc said:
Doubt anyone truly thinks he's shit. He's just basically a young, English David Luiz right now. Brilliant with the ball for a CB but utterly mindless when it comes to actually defending. You know, what a CB is supposed to do. He's prone to making extremely stupid decisions.

Of course, he's still a kid and that'll only get better. But for £50m you'd expect a more polished player. At least I would. The most expensive CB ever will be a kid who was regularly dropped by an Everton side who were woeful at the back. Mind blowing.
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This!!!
 
Globule said:
I wouldn't mind him at United - he was poor last season but Martinez is simply awful at managing a defence. He knows he wants players to play, but that's as far as his instructions seem to go as far as I can tell. Under a manager who knows how to drill a defence Stones could flourish.

He is overrated, and he's not as good on the ball as some would like to suggest (just because he does it often, doesn't make him good at it) but he has plenty of potential to develop into something special. He just needs to get the right manager to develop him.
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It didn't stop Jagielka from not making a tit of himself.
 
Seveneric said:
I would hope the fans of a club about to spend £100m on Pogba would be self aware enough to not rib another club for their spending.
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That 100 million is on arguably the best and most unique box to box midfielder in the game today who has the potential to become one of the greatest. Stones is an overhyped defender who sucks at actually defending. Levels to this sh*t.
 
Mark_Barca said:
Anybody else not rate him?
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me at the moment. Think he is bang average, just because he tried to play the ball out in stupid areas and managed to do it a few times he was highly regarded. It is a criminal offence to even mention him in Terry and Ferdinand and Adams etc conversations. He is a million billion trillion miles off those 3. If you ask me to describe him, and i always use this comparison for Stones - He is an English David Luiz. He is not in the prems top 5 CB, and whatever 5 you do choose ahead of him, you'd not pay £50m for any of them lol

If he was foreign he'd be £10-15m at most. That lad Everton and Chelsea want from Napoli is the one you want. What a tank that bastard is, if he comes to England you'll see.
 
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itso 7 said:
I hope Everton hold out for a bit more, maybe circa 65m-70m! City have it and they will pay it imo.
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We've been at a standoff for weeks with Everton over the difference between a 38/50m valuation so your hope is just that.
United have raised their bid to Juve around 5 times already for Pogba and still not closed the deal haven't they?
Need I also remind you about the Fellaini debacle?
 
Mental window though, be interesting to see who does the best business out of the regular "big boys". Kante is my signing of the summer though.
 
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