If he goes for £50 million that should once and for all put to bed the Pogba overpriced argument
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It won't. Every transfer is different and dependent on different circumstances.
And yet Pogba is a bargain compared to this deal
He'll do good, but he won't ever become great. Not bothered that City is getting him and I prefer him going there rather than Laporte who is twice the player while being as a good passer.
I take it you are a City fan, right? I am not even laughing at you either I just see this a huge opportunity for Everton to make a ton of money thats all. Money is no object to you or us atm so if a club has a player one of us desperately needs they need to capitalize on it, imo.
The David Luiz comparison is surely pretty apt, right? He shows glimpses of brilliance but equally looks like a bloody donkey sometimes. He is young so maybe ol' Pep can train him up good and proper?
LOL at People saying OMG PAYING 100M FOR POGBA LOOLOLOL yet they are paying 50M for Stones......
I know which one I'd prefer...
I know which one I'd prefer...
Well the arabs are paying for it, we actually do have some sort of budget because we have to use the clubs own money. I'm just pleased they've taken him off the market, so we can't commit this atrocity.
Didn't they already spend like £30-40m twice on other CBs? 
The fee is huge, and overpriced, but he is clearly talented. He's going from Martinez, who is notorious for being clueless in building a solid defence, to Pep, who might not be famous for building great defenses (like Mourinho, for example) but drills positional play into players, something which is one of Stones biggest faults.
And are people not forgetting it was Mourinho who wanted him last year, and was supposedly pissed off with Chelsea not paying what Everton wanted.
And are people not forgetting it was Mourinho who wanted him last year, and was supposedly pissed off with Chelsea not paying what Everton wanted.
I find the Luiz comparisons very strange myself. Luiz was reckless on and off the ball in a way Stones isn't.
In 12/13 for example, only one centre back (Chico Flores) made more fouls than Luiz and he ranked 36th for overall players. Last season Stones ranked 262nd (out of 285) for overall players and sat alongside the likes of Mertesacker and Alderweireld. On the ball, Luiz is a very ambitious passer and as a result gives the ball away a lot more - he tends towards 80% completion, Stones towards 90%. That doesn't remotely mean that Stones is a better defender or passer than Luiz but it's a pretty blatant indication of their vastly different styles of play. The only similarities are that they both like the ball at their feet and occasionally make fundamental mistakes leading to goals. On that basis you might as well compare him to Hummels too.
Stones is not a bad or reckless defender, nor is he remotely similar on the ball to Luiz. He's actually quite conservative in both aspects - plays a lot of safe, simple passes and often stands off the attacker rather than pushing up aggressively. Generally he reads the game well. Last season he obviously let things get to his head and needs someone to bring him back down to earth and give him some proper guidance. No reason to think Guardiola can't do that. If he can, Stones should be a top defender for a long time to come.
In 12/13 for example, only one centre back (Chico Flores) made more fouls than Luiz and he ranked 36th for overall players. Last season Stones ranked 262nd (out of 285) for overall players and sat alongside the likes of Mertesacker and Alderweireld. On the ball, Luiz is a very ambitious passer and as a result gives the ball away a lot more - he tends towards 80% completion, Stones towards 90%. That doesn't remotely mean that Stones is a better defender or passer than Luiz but it's a pretty blatant indication of their vastly different styles of play. The only similarities are that they both like the ball at their feet and occasionally make fundamental mistakes leading to goals. On that basis you might as well compare him to Hummels too.
Stones is not a bad or reckless defender, nor is he remotely similar on the ball to Luiz. He's actually quite conservative in both aspects - plays a lot of safe, simple passes and often stands off the attacker rather than pushing up aggressively. Generally he reads the game well. Last season he obviously let things get to his head and needs someone to bring him back down to earth and give him some proper guidance. No reason to think Guardiola can't do that. If he can, Stones should be a top defender for a long time to come.
If they sign stones gabriel moreno and sane what will be their spend? Probably 150m
They've been spending an average of £100m these past two years and they will make it three years in a row.
If we assume that PP is returning to United then I think that they will have spent similar on fees and a lot more in wages?
Well said. The Luiz and Stones comparison is a lazy one.
Mangala and Otamendi were great investments eh? They need to clone Kompany
That's an opinion you're free to have, yes.
Nah, he's got the potential to be a far better defender than Luiz. He's still 22, and the kind of mistakes he's making are pretty common for young CB's. See Rio Ferdinand, who was often criticised for making mistakes/taking too many risks as a young player. He turned out pretty good.
I agree, £50 million seems over the top, but much of the criticism he gets here is due to him being linked with City. If we were the ones being close to signing him I really doubt we would see comparisons to David Luiz. Let's try to be a bit objective.
IMHO he's has the potential to be one of the best CB's in Europe in a couple of years, and unfortunately that's probably going to be while he's playing for Citeh.
50 million? that's half one Pogba!!!!
I don't think it's anything to do with City. Everyone's known he is a bit of a donkey for a year or two, I'm just astounded Everton managed to find someone else daft enough to pay 50m for him after Chelsea fell through.
The comparisons to Luiz are apt because a lot of people thought he was a great defender at one point too, whilst others could already see he was a headless chicken.
I disagree. I do think he has just had a mediocre season, but I think his potential is still big. As I said before, I think £50 millions seems to be a bit too much, but then again the market is in absolute shambles at the moment. And a lot of people were saying the same thing about Rio when he was younger. He had a quite a few lapses of concentration - even in his first years at United, and he was called a "headless chicken" many times. But as he got older he got so much better. And let's remember that Stones is currently playing at Everton who've had a bad season overall. I'm sure he's going to look a lot better at a better team.
Also, if he's really so obviously a headless chicken/a donkey why would both Mourinho(at Chelsea) and Pep be so desperate to sign him?
He's gonna turn into a fabulous player under Guardiola. To see him being called a "donkey" boggles the mind, tonnes of potential.
Its also one whole sterling
It is nice to hear that a player's price goes up after playing poorly.
I really don't see Guardiola improving the defensive side of his game much at all. I remember Pique saying, in an interview with Rio, that Barcelona under Pep did not feel confident defending/not having the ball. He might become a fantastic ball player, but I think City's defence will remain as vulnerable as ever.
Sorry, but that's a ridiculous comparison. Ferdinand had shown far more talent and justified his price tag at that point, let alone evaluating it now.
So why was Mourinho all over Stones last summer and yet this time he went for Bailly? Was he put off by Stones's performances at Everton last season or maybe he thinks Bailly will be better? They are very close in age.
Mourinho wasn't the sole decision maker at Chelsea, re transfers. Hard to say if he even wanted to sign all the players they signed in his second stint there.
Probably didn't want to be involved with two cheap clubs at the same time. Both Everton and Juventus would have drawn this out for ages. He choose Pogba-saga over Stones-saga.
His reasoning makes more sense. If we wanted to get Stones we would have got him.
What happened to spending 40mn each on Mangala and Otamendi? Guess City are destroying Centre backs from everywhere...
From Puyol, Pique, Masche, Toure and Milito
To Boateng, Rafinha, Benatia, Lahm, Alaba and Dante
Now Stones, Kompany, Otamendi and Mangala
To Boateng, Rafinha, Benatia, Lahm, Alaba and Dante
Now Stones, Kompany, Otamendi and Mangala
I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as Luiz (but nowhere near as accomplished as Rio was when he joined), but the point is the comparison is apt. These same conversations were being had about Luiz a few years ago. Stones has potential but not 50m worth.
Jokes aside, it doesn't matter how much City overspend if eventually he becomes good for them. Surprised how many genuinely think he is total shit though.
I may be in there minority but I think he'll actually do well there.
The comparisons to Rio are just plain wrong, imo.
Rio at the age of 22, paired up with Lucas fecking Radebe I might add(!), was busy leading Leeds to the semi finals of the Champions League, and had been part of a quality England backline with Sol Campbell. John Stones on the other hand, was made to look a fool at various times over the past season and even in terms of his career as a whole, how much of a period of consistent form have we come across? The last 3 months of the 14/15 season maybe?
People say Rio used to have lapses in concentration, but tbf he was partnered with Mikael Silvestre during that period. Stones has had the benefit of being partnered with one of the better CBs in England, who could hold his hand and guide him through games. Yet, he still looked like a fish out of water at times.
Rio at the age of 22, paired up with Lucas fecking Radebe I might add(!), was busy leading Leeds to the semi finals of the Champions League, and had been part of a quality England backline with Sol Campbell. John Stones on the other hand, was made to look a fool at various times over the past season and even in terms of his career as a whole, how much of a period of consistent form have we come across? The last 3 months of the 14/15 season maybe?
People say Rio used to have lapses in concentration, but tbf he was partnered with Mikael Silvestre during that period. Stones has had the benefit of being partnered with one of the better CBs in England, who could hold his hand and guide him through games. Yet, he still looked like a fish out of water at times.
Agreed but the only issue is if he becomes the defensive version of Joe Hart.. and retains that arrogance.
If he knuckles down he'll become the best CB in England. That said I think Bailly is a better player and has the potential to be one of the best in the world.
Nothing wrong with the minority, majority opinions on many a player & coach is often far off the mark
If anyone can turn a central defender into a ball playing hawk of key importance, it's Pep
Stones makes sense for City when you think about their hown grown quota. The thing is, I dont think the sum of the transfers matters much any more, as I've been saying about Pogba as well. The 'value of money' for the clubs are not as important as getting the players right now, which is due to the huge inflation of cash in EPL.
Lets say you have 100 tomatoes, which in their own are very valuable. But to you, they dont matter as much because you have so many of them. Then someone comes along with a shiny potato, and you'll easily hand over 50 tomatoes just to get the potato. You'll still have way too many tomatoes, but you finally got the potato that will bring you the Grand Garden Prize.
Where the hell am I going with this ... I think I lost track.
Lets say you have 100 tomatoes, which in their own are very valuable. But to you, they dont matter as much because you have so many of them. Then someone comes along with a shiny potato, and you'll easily hand over 50 tomatoes just to get the potato. You'll still have way too many tomatoes, but you finally got the potato that will bring you the Grand Garden Prize.
Where the hell am I going with this ... I think I lost track.
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