jasonrh said:
Are you comparing Defoe with Rooney?
Jermaine Defoe
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Are you comparing Defoe with Rooney?
Good player but 15m is too much IMO.We could certainly do worse in replacing Ruud.And for everyone calling him a Spurs reserve, he clearly couldn't work with Keane in a partnership, they're too similar and Keane had probably his season last time.It was Jol's tactics, and Keane's form, that kept Defoe on the bench.
Wish we'd sign a fecking midfielder though..
Wish we'd sign a fecking midfielder though..
vijay said:
The leaving of Ruud is a totally different discussion, but we need a replacement (SAF has known this for months) which is the topic at hand, not how good certain replacements might be in terms of goal numbers when comes to Ruud comparisons. I don't think there are any on the market that can score as many as he.
Wonder Pigeon said:
Ah so we are replacing our most lethal striker ever with someone who couldnt keep the great Robbie Keane on the bench.
Great.
devilish said:
Again, Ruud is off it seems, accept it!
Devilish, who would you sign?
WeasteDevil said:
I accept that.
But Id prefer SAF to give time to Rossi rather then waste ridiculous sums of money (ie more then 5m) on Spurs third striker.
devilish said:
Fair enough!
WeasteDevil said:
Anyone who is as good or better then Saha
If we cant find anyone who suit that bill then we should stick to our own players.
I'm pointing out that you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with slagging off English players.devilish said:
jasonrh said:
Ive asked you a question
Are you comparing Defoe with Rooney?
And I dont slag English players. I see their talent without the red and white tinted glasses.
Well, Rooney is the perfect number 10, a number 9 is what we need.
No. No one has claimed Rooney and Defoe are comparable.devilish said:
I'm pointing out the reliability of the opinions you're spouting.
You're attempting to deflect because you look like an idiot.
jasonrh said:
Im not diverting anything. I still believe what ive said at that time, ie 30m for an untested talent is too much. Dont forget that with every Rooney there were hundreds of foxes in the box who turned to be crap.
devilish said:
Rooney is a classic number 10! They don't work "in the box".
WeasteDevil said:
Its not the point. 30m for anyone who was untested at the highest level was too much, whether its Rooney, Pele, Maradona or Philip Neville. Once Rooney proved himself during the Euro then I believed that we should have signed him up.
The fee was basically due to his age, his talent, and the fact that it would have been total feckwittery to have let him go to another club when he became available.
WeasteDevil said:
The fee reflected the true talent of Rooney which was (after the Euro) proven that he can make it at the highest levels. I have no problem with that. I had a problem in spending ridiculous sums of money (more then 10m) on a 17yr old with no experience at national and European cup level.
I think that many people get way too carried away with transfer fees and the size of them. Transfer fees are not major drains on the finances of a club like United. Wages are however, but I see less outrage on this forum to the size of a player's wage (up to 150,000 a week - almost 8 million pounds a year) than I see outrage regarding transfer fees - at least 100 posts per week.
High Wages, are a drain, but they goto players playing for the club, so i dont mind too much, as the club benefits from the players.
Stupidly high tranfer fees, not only is a waste of cash, but 15 mill for Defoe would make us look like mugs. Anyother team would not pay that much, and I don't think the Glazers are stupid enough to spend that much too on defoe when a 10 mill more would land us Torres, who is clearly a better striker, and whose physical build is much suited to the number 9 role than Defoes, who tbh is too small and needs to play with a Mido type stiker to get the best out of him.
Stupidly high tranfer fees, not only is a waste of cash, but 15 mill for Defoe would make us look like mugs. Anyother team would not pay that much, and I don't think the Glazers are stupid enough to spend that much too on defoe when a 10 mill more would land us Torres, who is clearly a better striker, and whose physical build is much suited to the number 9 role than Defoes, who tbh is too small and needs to play with a Mido type stiker to get the best out of him.
according to some shitty tabloid we are.devilish said:
As GB put it just a while ago, Manchester United sells newspapers.
skillz said:
The problem is, either way, Torres or Defoe, if we want them to stay in the long term, their wages over that time will totally eclipse their signing fee, crap player or good player.
Defoe is just a fecking shithead. If we buy this loser I will support those feckERS from Chelski for the title.
woody81 said:
Glory huntard.
woody81 said:
This is a general problem! Or maybe not!
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Defoe IS rubbish mate. He is selfish and a bloody midfget with no presense. Owen is far moreof a menace than him. For crying out loud he isn't even in Robbie Keane's league.
From birth you imbecileDavo said:
When did Rossi become better than Defoe?
I'm going to do some sanding.
All right, amount of cnuts with no football knowledge has multiplied recently, so I have to teach you something.
Jermain Defoe is a young striker who used to score plenty of goals as a teenager for West Ham side, then moved to Tottenham and impressed at the beggining of his spell. Then for some reason he started to sit on bench, Keane played at the expense of him and did very well, therefore Jol thought it was pointless to change a winning team.
Due to his status iand Spurs' desire to bring Darren Bent in, he should cost no more than 8 million, anything above that would be a ripoff, but you can't unequivocally say he is a bad footballer. In fact, I'm quite convinced he could win fans over just like Alan Smith has done.
Jermain Defoe is a young striker who used to score plenty of goals as a teenager for West Ham side, then moved to Tottenham and impressed at the beggining of his spell. Then for some reason he started to sit on bench, Keane played at the expense of him and did very well, therefore Jol thought it was pointless to change a winning team.
Due to his status iand Spurs' desire to bring Darren Bent in, he should cost no more than 8 million, anything above that would be a ripoff, but you can't unequivocally say he is a bad footballer. In fact, I'm quite convinced he could win fans over just like Alan Smith has done.
I will reiterate, Defoe and Rooney would work very very well - spastic Sven missed this totally. El Niño Torres however would be even better.
All of this upsets me however, because we have needed to sign a decent central midfielder for almost 4 years, and it hasn't been done.
Defoe's better than SahaDavo said:
Rossi's nothing but a kid with talent at this stage
What more pronouncements of folly are you willing to make?
WeasteDevil said:
But I would rather pay Torres that money week in week out. Also if we spend 3-4 mill per player per year in wages, I think with the 3-4 players we could recoup that money in the CL, and extended runs in the cup etc. Also if we sign 3 players Ruuds wages will go, Quintos off etc. Its a difficult call but I still think this is the reason that if we are tospend that type of money, it has to have the quality in the CL, and not just the PL. Defoe is like an Mitsubishi Evo, where as Torres looks to be the Porsche, and at the top level the extra class will help.
Also buying 2 players will not help us get futher in the CL, and conversley it could endup costing us more than getting 3-4 of the required quality. Fergies recent signings have shown this. While raw talent is good, if we are to recoup the money the players must have quality.
If united think about it the only way they can logically increase income is futher progression in the CL and merchandising, apparently we dont make any money of shirt sales, but a big name signings may help to bring a bit of sparkle back to the "brand name", and help boost revenue elsewhere off the pitch. Torres would do that, Defoe would not. All this I am sure will have been thought about by the Glazers.
I honestly think that we are going to sign Torres. It's SAFs policy I think to leave with a very excellent and young team.
He will not do what Busby did.
He will not do what Busby did.
Not me. I have always been convinced by Smith even when he was at LEeds and I'm one of his biggest fans. Defoe however has never convinced me with his selfish style of play and his "I'm superior to others attitude.Sarni said:
I'm just still wondering where are those midfielders that we need so desperately?
it must be this season - no more, no less.
thus says me chief.
thus says me chief.
I would take Darren Bent over Defoe. Plus he won't cost as much, Spurs are trying for him at 8 million.
Wonder Pigeon said:
Thats also true
and I hope that they are wrong as usual because Spurs reserve is not good enough.
Defoe would be a very good buy for the right price.
Even Torres would be a good buy if the price is apt.
Even Torres would be a good buy if the price is apt.