Are the Lib Dems savvy enough to steam in and save the country?
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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How big is the membership now? Mostly made up of the hard left. The loss would be close to insignificant to as to winning elections? There is a massive opportunity to take down the Tories here.
Would Corbyn (McDonnell, Abbott, Burgon etc) bugger off and set up a momentum party... Probably wishful thinking on my behalf
Business as usual then. The party didn't really want him from the start, just had little option due to members voting for him.
Labour's screwed for the foreseeable future anyway. Party want to move right, members voted for someone further left and the Labour voters in the north have voted out despite being in constituencies run by Labour remainers so looks like the Labour vote is going to UKIP.
Conservatives must be laughing. Every time there's a situation which isn't going well for them, Labour has to one-up them and take the headlines.
Saw reports that 80% of Labour MPs may vote against him in the secret ballot on Tuesday. 231 Labour MPs so potentially ~46 remaining supportive including the usual bunch... Unfortunately one of those is Richard Burgon.
He's reportedly going to do a defiance reshuffle tonight, so we'll soon see.
Its not just the numbers game, but rather the union backing and mobilisation of its core supporters during elections. You really think the aforementioned are going to bother campaigning for the likes of Chukka "British Obama" Umunna or Hillary "My dad probably thinks im a cnut" Benn come election time, especially after they've essentially stuck two fingers at the membership.
Burgon to foreign sec... Rip Labour
I think right now the only people laughing in UK politics is UKIP. The Tories have the mother of all poison chalices in their hands.
The one MP who I think could beat him in a leadership election is Andy Burnham - second in the last one. I think he's the least self-interested out of the possible names. Hilary Benn has let his father down on the Syria vote and Corbyn was close to his father. This Hilary has no popularity with members.
Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
Obviously they want a resignation rather than have to go into an election of which Corbyn will likely win again. Members want no more Blairites but the party is full of them. How can Corbyn work with this? Either he does a trojan horse - appease to his party to get in power and then revert to his genuine views or he quits. Either way his leadership has done one good thing - expose the fundamental flaws in the Labour party. Reform is needed ASAP or their popularity will continue to sink.
A big round of applause for politics...
With their 6 MPs? Doubt it.
They've promised to center their general election platform around rejoining the EU which has seemed to resonate a lot with younger folk on social media, though not exactly sure how feasible that is.
This is just factually incorrect. People need to stop using the term "Blairite" to mean "someone I don't agree with". Someone described Tom Watson as one not that long ago, and I'm sure I don't need to explain how dumb that is.
Jarvis... As he would be such a tough candidate for the conservatives to fight
I think there is now space for a completely different Labour party possibly. 48% of the country wanted to remain, who is going to represent them?
Well that's what I mean. Make significant gains at the next election (whenever that may be) with a sensible manifesto.
Trouble is, they're split between three parties currently, each with their own self-interests and not really interested in uniting behind a common cause.
I'm Conservative but I'd vote for Labour if they promised to stay in the EU.
It just is that important.
You know what it means.
Corbyn has a mandate received on taking Labour back to its roots. Has he delivered? Up to now it's been a dissappointment but when the guy is constantly undermined by his own MPs there is a clear flaw in Labour ideology.
Majority of my family members voted for Corbyn but even they can see it isn't working. I suspect support is waning for him even among the members. It doesn't mean hey don't like him. But people are getting frustrated at the lack of a credible opposition. We are about to have the most right wing government in decades and where is Labour to stop them?
A lab lib green snp agreement to only field one candidate per constituency in the next ge and a manifesto pledge to work in coalition to either have a 2nd referendum or a referendumon exit terms etc would be an incredibly strong proposition... Not sure the egos and agendas would allow it though
Yeah, I think if any party offered a second referendum, they'd get a lot of votes.
In fact, if you run on that and are voted in, you could merely overturn the referendum with your election mandate.
Hopefully cause I seriously considering voting for them.
Some may, most won't. And if Labour were promising to overturn the referendum result, their support would completely tank in the north.
I know what the term means, it's people that were loyal to Blair and still seek to implement his mode of politics. There are about 40 left in the PLP. Brownites are far more prevalent, and just as if not more involved in the current scheme than the Blairites.
Not really. They could probably comfortably beat any Labour candidate right now.
As much as I may disagree with Benn on certain policies and with some of his politics, I don't see why he's somehow letting his father down by going down a different political route to him.
Right, looks like Tom Watson is preparing to do the ousting.
Looking very unlikely Corbyn will survive this.
Looking very unlikely Corbyn will survive this.
That's a hiding to nothing, he's a massive knob.
People that say that kind of stuff about Tony Benn betray a complete lack of understanding of the man. Family was everything to him.
Apparently Lib Dem membership has soared since referendum. When the dust settles, I will probably be a member too.
Labour will not do anything for the 48% of people that voted to remain. They're conferenced with their base up north who voted overwhelmingly to leave.
The state in which Labour is in now, puts me off. They're finished for the foreseeable future.
Labour will not do anything for the 48% of people that voted to remain. They're conferenced with their base up north who voted overwhelmingly to leave.
The state in which Labour is in now, puts me off. They're finished for the foreseeable future.
I know Corbyn has a mandate but if he truly cares about the party, he will resign.
Tom Watson's comment is sot on. Without a working opposition, we could have the most right wing government in this country's recent history.
Tom Watson's comment is sot on. Without a working opposition, we could have the most right wing government in this country's recent history.
Ye I think I'm going to switch too.
I will probably join the Libs too if Corbyn doesn't leave and a credible leader appointed.
Falconer gone now too. That really isn't surprising, as he is an actual Blairite.
I don't care whether it was deliberate or not but his referendum performance was a disgrace. He betrayed a significant core of his support who wanted to remain.
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The prime minister's resigned. No-one knows who the next occupant of No 10 will be.
And today, some of the most senior figures in the Labour Party are trying to push their leader out too. There have been concerns about Jeremy Corbyn's performance for months and months. But it was his role, or lack of role, in the campaign to keep the UK in the EU, and his sacking of Hilary Benn in the middle of the night, that has given members of the shadow cabinet the final reasons to quit. Several have already gone; as many as half will be gone by the end of the day, I understand.
And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".
One email from the leader's office suggests that Mr Corbyn's director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn's reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour's campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader's speeches, said it was because of the "hand of Seumas. If he can't kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it".
A series of messages dating back to December seen by the BBC shows correspondence between the party leader's office, the Labour Remain campaign and Labour HQ, discussing the European campaign. It shows how a sentence talking about immigration was removed on one occasion and how Mr Milne refused to sign off a letter signed by 200 MPs after it had already been approved.
The documents show concern in Labour HQ and the Labour Remain campaign about Mr Corbyn's commitment to the campaign - one email says: "What is going on here?" Another email from Labour Remain sources to the leader's office complains "there is no EU content here - we agreed to have Europe content in it". Sources say they show the leader's office was reluctant to give full support to the EU campaign and how difficult it was to get Mr Corbyn to take a prominent role.
Mr Corbyn has insisted publicly that he campaigned hard to keep the country in the EU and that he made a number of speeches around the country, and attended many campaigning events. But many shadow cabinet ministers believe his performance in the campaign has shown that he is simply not capable of leading the party. One senior figure told me: "People have just had enough and are embarrassed to be part of it." Jeremy Corbyn's team are adamant that he will stand again for the leadership, and they believe the party's members would back him again.
He has had persuasive and vehement backing from the party's members who he energised last summer. But as the Labour Party reels from Thursday's result, it is not clear that support will be as solid as it was. MPs report that some of their members are contacting them to say they've changed their minds about Mr Corbyn. We'll see. It's possible that within days, both of our two main political parties will be looking for a new leader.
A spokesman for the Labour party said: "The leaks of these emails within the Labour Party are self-evidently politically motivated. This is the action of people who want to de-stabilise the leadership by attempting to demonstrate negative activity in the leader's office.
"The leaks themselves show no such thing, simply demonstrating the views of those whose emails are quoted.
"On the process of letter writing, of course it is normal practice in politics that drafts are amended. Any communications in the name of the Leader of the Labour Party are authorised by the leader's communications team and ultimately by the leader himself .
"Both Jeremy and his team worked hard to deliver his message of remain and reform. Given that the Labour Party was the only party that delivered a majority vote for the remain campaign among its own supporters, the criticisms of Jeremy Corbyn make little sense."
Just like the remain camp underestimated the strength of feeling amongst leave supporters during the campaign, so do you now about the strength of feeling amongst remain supporters. Most of whom are young with minimal political affiliation either way.
Won't survive Watson turning on him. Looks like he'll go.
What Ubik is saying is that Labour voters in previously 'safe' Labour seats voted for Leave. Shows they're already losing a lot of support and to promise to overturn the referendum result would result in losing even more.
By the time the next election comes round they will have realised (surely) that the Leave campaign promises on immigration were out and out lies.