There's only about 3000 of the feckers, scrapping Trident will pay for a lot of Trident.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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There's only about 3000 of the feckers, scrapping Trident will pay for a lot of Trident.
Another Labour MP coming out to criticise Corbyn for not focusing on holding the government to account while she's focused on not holding the government to account because undermining Corbyn is more important.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-infighting-says-rachel-reeves_n_9067976.html
What an absolute feckwit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-infighting-says-rachel-reeves_n_9067976.html
What an absolute feckwit.
That sounds like a pretty fair criticism - he didn't have to go on sunday morning telly to talk about making subs without missiles and if he does not have even the most basic skills to deflect the question to talk about the health service / education etc then again he needs to take some responsibility for either being an idiot and talking about it or simply useless by being "forced" to talk about it
Maybe a fair criticism behind closed doors. She doesn't need to undermine him publicly and try to bring all this stuff back to the forefront just as it's dying down though does she? How exactly does this help the Labour party?
By helping us get rid of the numpty in charge asap so we can get somebody credible in before too much damage is done and he destroys the party?
Corbyn is the gift that just keeps on giving. With his scattergun attacks and wacky comments I'm seriously begining to think he has some mental issues.
I'm sure the extra minute or so that this shaves off Corbyn's reign will be well worth it. We might as well ignore the fact that it could just as easily have the opposite effect.
Meanwhile there will be absolutely no negative effects in terms of making Labour look even more divided and once again making sure everyone is talking about Corbyn's failings rather than the Tories'. And it definitely won't do anything to cement the belief of Corbyn supporters (aka a massive chunk of the party membership) that he's being fecked over by his own MPs, rather than thinking about how Corbyn himself is failing.
Shenanigans.
Some speculation that Osborne will go for a general election straight away if he's the next Tory leader, potentially as soon as 2017/2018. Getting around the fixed term parliament act is very doable as a supermajority in the Commons can call an election, which could put Labour into an odd position of deciding between voting to be beaten to a pulp straight away, or be seen to be prolonging a Tory government for a couple more years. Osborne would have a good argument for doing it as well, "want to be given the mandate by the people" etc.
The fixed-term parliament act is almost meaningless, it was a complete waste of parliamentary time. That might even have been the point of it, just to fill parliament's calendar for a bit, to reduce the amount of legislation that might actually change anything.
Pretty much, just a way of getting through the difficult coalition. Probably be repealed when the Tories get their big majority next time out.
There are many things that might prevent that happening not least Boris winning a leadership election (or Cameron actually seeing out the full term as he says he will)
Labour may have come to their senses and have a credible leader by then as well.
I image there is truth in the fact that they forsee an election campaign against comrade corbyn as an open goal though and a chance to get a big majority and they don't want to loose the opportunity before he gets kicked out by his own party
I suppose any new tory leader would like to win an election, but it might be more important to Osborne to plan for a full five years. He seems to have more real political conviction (albeit of a nasty manner) than Cameron or Boris.
The question I suppose is getting the timing right, when the optimum time is in terms of utilising both the 5 years that Miliband gave them and making the most of Corbyn's unpopularity. Get a 100-seat majority, then put through boundary reforms and limits on trade-union funding, making it far harder for Labour to get back on terms.
So you could say it's a fairly urgent matter to cast out Corbyn.
So you could say it's a fairly urgent matter to cast out Corbyn.
The righteous crusadeMore of a peasant's revolt in my case, alas!
I can actually see this rebounding a little bit, for one thing London is Corbyn's strongest area and two, Khan's still likely to win and Goldsmith would look like even more of a knob given "Corbyn's man" beat him.
You'll probably largely agree with this one shamwow (I do as well, incidentally):
I'd agree with this prescription, too (though I'm not sure I can think of anything for 3...):
I can actually see this rebounding a little bit, for one thing London is Corbyn's strongest area and two, Khan's still likely to win and Goldsmith would look like even more of a knob given "Corbyn's man" beat him.
You'll probably largely agree with this one shamwow (I do as well, incidentally):
I'd agree with this prescription, too (though I'm not sure I can think of anything for 3...):
If the centre get a convincing candidate and platform to stand on rather than being bland, presentable and obsessed with focus groups and what-not I'll be all for it. It's the lack of conviction that I and many others can't stand (and the pandering to the press but I might have to put that dream to one side as the rest of the population seems quite happy being bullshitted every day). I said before the leadership election that I thought they were all crap including Corbyn. I just thought Corbyn would be more interesting. And he is.
I just spat out whatever I wasn't eating with laughter. Mainly spit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...use-she-was-the-eat-your-greens-a6835011.html
I mean that's why no one likes me on here either, cos I'm just too fecking right all the time. Like peas in a pod, me and Liz are. Does that make us cannibals?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...use-she-was-the-eat-your-greens-a6835011.html
I mean that's why no one likes me on here either, cos I'm just too fecking right all the time. Like peas in a pod, me and Liz are. Does that make us cannibals?
Only if you're eating each other. You're not eating Liz Kendall, are you?
That is a very good question.
And hopefully not a single person will vote tory
He is meek and uninteresting if you ask me. The wider general public see it that way to plus you can add inept and a danger to national security to that.
A slight change in political discourse is not worth guaranteeing Tory rule for the next 10 - 15 years IMO.
I think people are confusing the humane like Corbyn with a politician
Do people really want another lying, avoiding, out of touch with reality suit that doesn't care about normal people? Then vote anything but corbyn
Aren't people tired of hearing how great the economy is, how great healthcare is, how many people are back to work and how great the nhs is? When its all bollox
Do people really want another lying, avoiding, out of touch with reality suit that doesn't care about normal people? Then vote anything but corbyn
Aren't people tired of hearing how great the economy is, how great healthcare is, how many people are back to work and how great the nhs is? When its all bollox
As the so called centrists on here attacked any Tory policy or as Corbyn become the punch bag for their frustrations.
DC destroyed JC today IMO
Are you seriously suggesting that Corbyn is in touch with reality?
Much more than most politicians.
With the greatest of respect....
You don't know the meaning of the word.
I think you will find he is just as out of touch, just not on the same issues, or with the same people.
well yeah. You think dave is honest John? Gideon as pm? UK is great, utopia. must be cos youve been told that
name 1. Just 1 mateWith the greatest of respect....
Out of touch with his own cabinet Stan never mind the country and the way the world is now. He's a politician from an age left well behind us and country couldn't afford him to be PM. I think the fact that in 30 years no Labour leader has ever given him a job, any job, speaks volumes. Maybe that's the reason he's voted against his own party over 500 times!
Each to their own Stan but he's not for me.
Having one opinion, doesn't team I have to hold the other does it?
Says more about the iq of voters than anything else
Found this bit very telling
Politics is about getting your message over to people and getting them to vote for you... Corbyn is such a toxic brand even a popular policy when associated with him becomes unpopular
Labour need to get rid and get rid quickly
Dan Jarvis would be such a tough proposition for the tories to face and he does seem to be making noises that he would consider the leadership in the future (perhaps now is too soon still?)
But get your best and most credible polititians who the general public are likely to vote for in prominent positions and you have a decent chance of being listened to
If for example Benn was leader and he had Reeves as shadow chancellor, Umunna as shadow home secretary and Jarvis as shadow defence that would be such a more formidable team than comrade corbyn, chairman mcdonnell, and bloody burnham (unpopular with both wings of the party and the public)
But do any of the others believe in those's policy's/ideas or have the back bone to carry the policy's/ideas into a general election ? (Genuine question by the way)
One of problem's for the the centre/right of the party during the Leadership race was their complete lack of ideas, they were reactionaries to whatever the public thought rather than coming up with ideas on how to improve the country.
For someone who is - we're continually told - unelectable, Corbyn doesn't half get scrutinised on here.
Unfortunately not much data in that particular publication. What I'd be interested in over the coming months is whether there's any increase in support for such policies.
Corbyn will be expendable for a more mainstream leader eventually but if he's making progress in building the popularity of the Labour policies rather just focusing on his own leadership polls then I don't see any need to get rid quick.
I'm suprised anyone would think Labour's focus now should be on the leaders popularity rather than building a policy base.