Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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I can't see a situation where no deal isn't on the ballot and the vote is merely accepted without civil unrest. The turnout irrspective would be far lower than the initial vote. I believe Farage has already said he'd campaign for leavers to stay at home.
It would never happen but the most equitable second referendum would be "leave Vs remain" with a second question "if leave were to win what's your preference: TM WA or no deal".
Thought that was really quite a poor speech.
So what would you say would be a realistic agreement. I am not asking to challenge your point. I am asking because I respect your views.
Doesn't the term generic mean the patent has run out so anyone can manufacture them? Without a licence?
The question is whether a state-owned drug manufacturer can produce at lower cost than private industry. Even allowing for one being non-profit it's a questionable concept.
Notable that Tom Watson wasn't on stage at then end with the rest of the shadow cabinet
I'm all for the idea in principle, but wouldn't those manufacturers just walk away?
Also, wouldn't that open up endless legal suits about patents and all that?
I mean if it's workable, obviously the idea of cheaper drugs and more availability is a no-brainer. I'm just wondering how it will ever work in practice.
Also, wouldn't that open up endless legal suits about patents and all that?
I mean if it's workable, obviously the idea of cheaper drugs and more availability is a no-brainer. I'm just wondering how it will ever work in practice.
Very good speech. Certainly helped that everyone in the hall was pretty excited after Johnson's nonsense was ruled unlawful.
I had better sell my National Grid stock.
Actually imo the only realistic agreement is the one that's on the table now, unless the red lines are changed which would mean the UK staying in the Single Market and the Customs Union (which is not what Corbyn is proposing) but really makes leaving pointless as the UK wouldn't have seats in the EU parliament and subjected to EU regulations as they are now without being able to do anything about it. The added bonus of this scenario is Farage won't be an MEP.
Certainly neither of us.
It's for drugs where the patent has already run out and anyone can make them. Corbyn reckons he can make them cheaper than anyone else in the world can.
Ah right, cheers. I think I was thrown by the tweet using the term breakthrough.
That of course raises another set of questions though, chiefly as you say, how are they going to make them cheaper themselves? I don't work in the industry directly, but I have worked at a number of massive plants for the likes of Glaxo over the years, and even smaller companies/factories, and the infrastructure they have is ridiculous.
To be fair Peston does say 'breakthrough' pharmaceuticals but I think he's got it wrong. You couldn't break the patents of non-UK companies, that's international law, and if you changed British patent law it would effectively close down the country's entire research and development industries. But maybe the cheering delegates at conference have got it all worked out, what do I know.
It wasn't as bad as Trump's speech to the UN in any case.
Thank you. That is my view as well. I have always seen the WA is a means to an end. The end being the future trading agreement with the EU.
I see the slimey git Farrage is trying to distance himself from Mr Bumble.
These are dangerous times for the UK and I am delighted that the Supreme Court has brought democracy back from the brink.
Now is the time for clear thinking and cool heads and I am hopeful that the eventsof the last few days may have pressed the reset button.
Thanks, yes but the future trading agreement which will take x number of years to negotiate, finalise and ratify will not solve my biggest concerns about the UK leaving which is that the UK needs a smooth and uninterrupted relationship without delays and endless red-tape with its geographical neighbours. Furthermore at some point the UK will leave the transition period long before the trade agreement would be in place.
I say the current WA is the most realistic agreement but just slightly dampens the pain.
I fear the same antics will continue despite this event - mainly because party politics are still more important to the politicians than the good of the country.
Yeah its never being about stopping Brexit for them but trying to turn back the clock to around 2012.
Anyone. Anyone could do it. Obviously can't name anyone who could do it but anyone could, I assure you.
Here we go again.................who ?
Here we go again.................who ?
Anyone would do better than Corbyn because the public simply do not trust him.
He will never be elected and when he inevitably loses the next election he should stand down (unless he claims it as a win like he did the last one).
Your last point is the most sobering. We have a significant number of people totally frustrated with and dissatisfied with the MP'S.
Now. That is pretty normal but the scale of ill feeling is palpable and understandable.
We ought not to discount the role of the media. In particular the newspaper (contradiction in terms). They are so one sided as to have a distorting affect.
This I believe emboldened Boris Johnson to think that he could get away with whatever he chose to do.
I have to be hopeful that politicians will now realise that they have to serve the people and not themselves.
You will know that I am an eternal optimist. But I sense that something good might come out of this shambles.
Here we go again.................who ?
Is Corbyn going to be the leader of the Labour Party until the end of time? When he's popped his clogs will he be stuffed and mounted?
Give us a name.
So you honestly think nobody could do better than Corbyn has done?
No, I think you're claiming anyone can but refuse to give a single example.
Jesus that's terrifying... Basically saying to pharmaceutical companies "you may as well close your R&D departments, since the government can come in and steal the technology that's cost years and billions in investment and sell it for peanuts".
If enacted this would cripple UK research into preventative health. Preventing profit on medicine prevents any incentive to find new cures.
If this is the case then it's just laughable. As if the government can manufacture and distribute at a more competitive cost than companies that literally go out of business if they aren't competitive.
Here we go again.................who ?
I love the idea that the only thing stopping Labour from walking the next election is apparently removing Corbyn and replacing him with someone like Tom Watson or Keir Starmer.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-justice-now-stop-aids-johnson-a8011716.html
NHS pays pharmaceutical companies millions for drugs developed with taxpayers’ money
Treatments for cancer, arthritis and MS among drugs that cost cash-strapped NHS more than £1bn last year, in what has been branded a ‘rip-off’ of British public
NHS pays pharmaceutical companies millions for drugs developed with taxpayers’ money
Treatments for cancer, arthritis and MS among drugs that cost cash-strapped NHS more than £1bn last year, in what has been branded a ‘rip-off’ of British public
Perhaps 'anyone' was a bit of a stretch, most of the front bench would probably do worse.
I think Starmer could do a decent job, and he would command much more respect from the public than Corbyn does. Not enough to win an election I suspect.
I think the problem Labour has going forward is the NEC has been filled with Corbyn supporters, and so any future attempts to try and bring the party back towards the centre ground and in turn make Labour electable is extremely difficult.
Wow steady on there, your actually naming some names.
But yeah its fantasy football but for politics. Not worth paying any attention to.
In truth I think someone like Starmer with a raft of moderate policies and a clear plan on Brexit would be polling at 40%+ rather than low twenties.
Thank you. It's an absolute nightmare trying to get an actual answer of of the 'no jeremys' club on this, so I appreciate that you've given one.
To both of you - what's your clear plan on brexit that you would suggest someone like Starmer should adopt and who do you think is going to knock on doors for Starmer during an election campaign?
His policy would be very simple: the day after his majority he would put the current withdrawal agreement against remain in a second referendum and would campaign to remain.
Why would a centrist remainer choose this over the Lib Dems?
Because I don't believe in revoking A50 without putting it back to the public first.
You and a handful of other political nerds (we're all political nerds here, obviously, we're talking about politics on a football forum).
Do you think this is a commonly held view? I really don't. I think the centrist remain vote wants to revoke without a vote. That's what people I know are saying. That's what Swinson seems to think.