Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

dumbo said:
If that is what you perceive my comments to mean then my perception is that you are not very good at this understanding lark. But perhaps you are incapable of any more given you believe that:

but I also mentioned paedophiles. And if your perception is that my perception is that you are a nazi paedophile then what recourse do you have when:


Ah the problems of living on those metaphysically obtuse islands - or simply trying to explain to obtuse people.
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What is wrong with you?
 
sun_tzu said:
i think it most likley nobody ousts corbyn till he looses another general election - and at that point i suspect being seen as against his wishy washy brexit guff will probably be an asset - suspect thornberry calculated exactly how much piss and on which chips to aim
Kier Starmer will also be in with a shout I think - again very vocal on brexit
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I doubt the Labour members would vote Starmer tbh, which is a shame because he'd be good.

Rayner, Abbott, Burgon and Butler are (or should be) non-starters, and you don't have too many candidates left after that, unless you want to move away from Corbyn's inner circle.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
ok, i might get laughed at for this, but.....

I am starting to think that Laura Pidock would make a really good Labour leader.
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She's great, she's in politics for the right reasons and she's a fantastic constituency MP (which I think should be a minimum character requirement for people aspiring to high office). Would love to think she could become a contender by the time Corbyn leaves but as a recently elected, young, female left-wing MP with a regional accent she'd face a lot of opposition from both within the party and without.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
She's great, she's in politics for the right reasons and she's a fantastic constituency MP (which I think should be a minimum character requirement for people aspiring to high office). Would love to think she could become a contender by the time Corbyn leaves but as a recently elected, young, female left-wing MP with a regional accent she'd face a lot of opposition from both within the party and without.
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Given the rise of Angela Rayner, Pidock (who comes across as far smarter and more accomplished) should have no problems within the party. Outside the party, on the other hand, it could be a different story.
 
Not a huge fan of Williamson but wasn't too much wrong with what he said. Worded it a little clumsily, but the point he was making was reasonable enough. Noteworthy as well how quickly Kuenssberg retweeted this story, when she has miraculously managed to avoid all news about the recent polls demonstrating the horrific levels of Islamophobia within the Conservative party.
 
What a spectacularly braindead decision.
 
Keith soddin' Vaz does it again.

BobbyManc said:
Noteworthy as well how quickly Kuenssberg retweeted this story, when she has miraculously managed to avoid all news about the recent polls demonstrating the horrific levels of Islamophobia within the Conservative party.
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Wouldn't want to make that No. 10 Director of Communications job interview awkward.
 
Ubik said:
What a spectacularly braindead decision.
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Why? What he said was clearly ridiculous and foolish but it wasn't antisemitic.

On the other hand Mr Publicity Tom Watson at it again jumping on the bandwagon to call for independence in the decision making process but also at the same time asking for Corbyn to chuck Williamson out the party. The old independent until you disagree trick.
 
I read somewhere it's believed that with Derby North being a marginal seat and Chris Williamson's standing in Derby that Labour would need him in place to retain the seat in the event of a snap election.
 
Smores said:
Why? What he said was clearly ridiculous and foolish but it wasn't antisemitic.

On the other hand Mr Publicity Tom Watson at it again jumping on the bandwagon to call for independence in the decision making process but also at the same time asking for Corbyn to chuck Williamson out the party. The old independent until you disagree trick.
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Because there was no reason not to refer it up to the NCC, particularly given the other shite he's said. And by the sounds of it, it would've been had Lansman been on the panel.
 


Wow... Highest ever dis-satistaction ratings and the worst net rating of any opposition leader since 1978

Ooooooooh Jeremy Corbyn... Still I suppose it's Blair's / the media's fault or fake polls and people simply can't understand his 4d unicorn brexit chess... Or perhaps the argument will be 75% of the country are idiots?
 
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sun_tzu said:


Wow... Highest ever dis-satistaction ratings and the worst net rating of any opposition leader since 1978

Ooooooooh Jeremy Corbyn... Still I suppose it's Blair's / the media's fault or fake polls and people simply can't understand his 4d unicorn brexit chess... Or perhaps the argument will be 75% of the country are idiots?
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Problem with that is that he's not really a leader and he's not really the opposition either so maybe his score shouldn't count.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Problem with that is that he's not really a leader and he's not really the opposition either so maybe his score shouldn't count.
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I think the most problematic thing is that 92% have an opinion... It's not like there is a swathe of undecided e.g with Cameron only 68% had an opinion... Corbyn has been around for long enough for people to make their minds up and frankly people don't rate him
 
sun_tzu said:
I think the most problematic thing is that 92% have an opinion... It's not like there is a swathe of undecided e.g with Cameron only 68% had an opinion... Corbyn has been around for long enough for people to make their minds up and frankly people don't rate him
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By now it should be dawning on even the most brain dead loyalist that people: Do. Not. Want. To. Vote. For. Jeremy. fecking. Corbyn.
 
nickm said:
By now it should be dawning on even the most brain dead loyalist that people: Do. Not. Want. To. Vote. For. Jeremy. fecking. Corbyn.
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And yet plenty did and up until the brexit party launched Labour led in the polls
 
Smores said:
And yet plenty did and up until the brexit party launched Labour led in the polls
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Pretty specious argument, countless polls show that Corbyn is less popular than the party in general. People were voting Labour despite Corbyn not because of him.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Problem with that is that he's not really a leader and he's not really the opposition either so maybe his score shouldn't count.
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No. He is not a leader or anything even remotely close to one.
He reminds me so much of poor old Michael Foot.
Another spectacular failure of the left.

Whatever some people say about Tony Blair, he was a leader. The rebranding to New Labour resulted in three election victories and that in politics is the name of the game.
Another leader albeit far less successful was Neil Kinnock.
He stood up for true Labour values and had the guts to stand up to Militant Tendency who, much like Momentum had taken over the party.
And before anyone ridicules Kinnock please take a look at what is now called That Speech on youtube.
He exposed Derek Hatton who had bankrupted Liverpool Council. The speech was at the Blackpool Conference.
Very much worth a quick look if you like a powerful speech.
 
EwanI Ted said:
Pretty specious argument, countless polls show that Corbyn is less popular than the party in general. People were voting Labour despite Corbyn not because of him.
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Aye that's why his policies polled so well too.
 
Buster15 said:
No. He is not a leader or anything even remotely close to one.
He reminds me so much of poor old Michael Foot.
Another spectacular failure of the left.

Whatever some people say about Tony Blair, he was a leader. The rebranding to New Labour resulted in three election victories and that in politics is the name of the game.
Another leader albeit far less successful was Neil Kinnock.
He stood up for true Labour values and had the guts to stand up to Militant Tendency who, much like Momentum had taken over the party.
And before anyone ridicules Kinnock please take a look at what is now called That Speech on youtube.
He exposed Derek Hatton who had bankrupted Liverpool Council. The speech was at the Blackpool Conference.
Very much worth a quick look if you like a powerful speech.
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Yes he does remind me a bit of Michael Foot, one of the Tories great assets at the time. Difference is although Foot's policies were alien to me , at least he came across as having some intelligence, although a terrible leader.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
When did Labour last poll below LibDems?
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Outside of a few others since the EU elections, back in 2010 during Cleggmania. It's only really YouGov showing it at the moment, though.
 
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