You've answered your own question, I'd suggest.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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You've answered your own question, I'd suggest.
Brexit is actually flushing ourselves down the toilet.
Its just a matter of how fast.
Think things are bad now for the average person?
Because saying it out right whilst there aren't enough Tories to actually stop it is futile is it not?
Does that mean he's going to keep quiet about every single subject until there is a majority who favour his view, no wonder he's so crap at PMQ. As someone said, you're backing the wrong horse.
Mr Corbyn, my views are that you personally should say what you think, not what the referendum said, not what your conference decided, but show some leadership and say what you actually want now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48700965
Can't see the escalating U.S.-Iran tensions playing well for Corbyn, giving his previous work for Press TV and apologies for the Tehran regime.
Can't see the escalating U.S.-Iran tensions playing well for Corbyn, giving his previous work for Press TV and apologies for the Tehran regime.
I know I probably live in a bit of an echo chamber... but are most people not a lot more sceptical of Government war mongering after the whole Iraq shambles and the imaginary WMD's? I really haven't seen any appetite for supporting USA on this... but like I say, maybe just me being in a like-minded bubble.
He want's out of Europe, that is quite clear.
There's a graphic going round twitter which i can't find currently but he's actually in 2nd place in sitting MPs who have raised the most motions criticising Iran's human rights.
Not that i disagree with you, any MP who doesn't foam at the mouth for war is pathetic according to our glorious country.
Edit: feck sake see above
Fair point, but that's not the public's perception is it? On Iran, all that people know him for is what the right-wingers bring up time and again - that he appeared on Press TV and has defended the regime on certain occasions.
No doubt this line of attack will be brought up time and again over the next few weeks, particularly as we're in the middle of a Tory leadership contest.
How many of those instances were between 2009 and 2012 when he was paid £20,000 by iranian state TV for appearances
And actually is there a comparable graph to show how much money MP's have received from Iranain state TV... bet hes ahead of about 649 there as well
The truth is nothing is as important as perception and he is seen as pro iranian, anti american and walking a very narrow line bewteen anti israel and anti semitic
Hes toxic to the labour party and this ooooh jeremy corbyn bollocks is going to lead to farrage in government
There's definitely a lot more scepticism now. If the U.S. does go to war with Iran it won't be like the first Gulf War, which was roundly supported in the UK as far as I can recall. There'll be a lot more criticism of the U.S. and anyone who allies with them.
Still, I don't see people rallying to the Iranian side either, given all the controversy surrounding Zaghari-Ratcliffe and the nuclear deal.
this many
This. Perception is everything and he's made it too easy for people to label him a batty extremist.
Supporting a dodgy war to own the left
Indeed, he just won't come out honestly and say it, that's what I'm asking. Or convincingly deny it, but that would involve explaining, again honestly, why he changed his mind. So no chance then.
so who are the bad guys in this?
not Iran. They were in compliance with the Treaty.
Its the Trump administration.
This guy is trying to save his rotting presidency and wants to feel a big man...except when he is getting bummed by Putin.
not Iran. They were in compliance with the Treaty.
Its the Trump administration.
This guy is trying to save his rotting presidency and wants to feel a big man...except when he is getting bummed by Putin.
Yeah, I am with you on this. I would want to see a lot more evidence than blurry pictures of supposed mines before I believed the US. This whole thing reeks very much like the WMD dossier.
Not sure why or how this should implicate Corbyn.
Even if Iran were actively responsible for something on this level all-out war seems wholly irresponsible - we turn a blind eye to the atrocities of the Saudis and other nations in the region when it suits our interests so arguing it'd be an even remotely noble or justifiable war for a decent cause would be ridiculous. If Iran need to be targeted or reigned in then sanctions are clearly a better initial approach.
War is profitable though.
Corbyn condemns Iran more than the vast majority of other MPS.
Makes statement that suggests US should get more credible evidence before accusing Iran of committing crimes.
Political opponents and press line up to declare Corbyn an apologist for the Iranian regime.
Conclusion = Corbyn has 'made it too easy for people to label him a batty extremist'.
Perception is everything and there is nothing as important sounds all very Goebbels.
Sure if you're Trump, or if you're running a public relations campaign for a toy that has maimed children, or you are cynical enough to primarily focus on minimising the damage of a pedo-priest scandal on your church, or your oil slick has destroyed a whole ecosystem.
But otherwise it seems a rather horrible outlook. You must be able to think of at least one thing that is more important.
Sure if you're Trump, or if you're running a public relations campaign for a toy that has maimed children, or you are cynical enough to primarily focus on minimising the damage of a pedo-priest scandal on your church, or your oil slick has destroyed a whole ecosystem.
But otherwise it seems a rather horrible outlook. You must be able to think of at least one thing that is more important.
Are you honestly accusing the people who've said this of being Nazis?
It doesn't implicate him.
But the right-wing press will use it as a stick to beat him with and there's a good chance it will land.
On the other side of the ledger:
1. Corbyn's regular appearances on press TV.
2. His attempts to downplay Iran's comments about Israel.
3. The now-infamous 'friends' comment about Hamas and Hezbollah.
You're right, Corbyn's comments on the US-Iran spat have been completely sensible. He's right, we shouldn't fall into the trap of a US regime which is desperate for war.
But you and I both know that isn't the way the right-wing press will play this.
On points 2 and 3 you're certainly correct. Corbyn's language can be a bit careless. The unfortunate reality is that he is not especially savvy, but I suppose conversely that could be what adds to his appeal to those who support him. My point remains that facts become immaterial to considering Corbyn's perception because the press will depict him whichever whey they seem fit and will use whatever they can to try and substantiate it. As is clear, out of all the MPs in the HoC, to label him an Iran apologist is nonsense. Corbyn can't control how the right-wing press will twist his statements, I don't think he can be criticised for presenting them with an open goal so to speak for his recent comments on the US-Iran dispute.
ok, i might get laughed at for this, but.....
I am starting to think that Laura Pidock would make a really good Labour leader.
I am starting to think that Laura Pidock would make a really good Labour leader.
Not sure why anyone would laugh, so far she has been impressive. If Corbyn doesn't win the next election I can see the next labour leader being Rebecca Long-Bailey or Clive Lewis.
She's come across well whenever I've seen her speak but i simply refuse that there should be a labour leader slightly younger than me already.
OK, a word of advice: be very, very careful about suggesting anyone who disagrees you is a Nazi.
We're both arguing the same point here. The right-wing press are desperate to get stuck into Corbyn and this issue gives them the perfect opportunity (even though, as you say, his record on Iran is far more nuanced than people think).
The problem he's got is that, unlike a lot of politicians, he probably never thought he was going to be party leader, so he was free to appear on Press TV, attend funerals for the PLO etc. Now he's suddenly leader and he's got loads of baggage which can be used against him.
I like Thornberry but she appears to have pissed on her chips over Brexit.
i think it most likley nobody ousts corbyn till he looses another general election - and at that point i suspect being seen as against his wishy washy brexit guff will probably be an asset - suspect thornberry calculated exactly how much piss and on which chips to aim
Kier Starmer will also be in with a shout I think - again very vocal on brexit
I think people are skeptical of the current incidents leading us down the war path whilst also realising Iran are far from an innocent party in the Middle East.
If that is what you perceive my comments to mean then my perception is that you are not very good at this understanding lark. But perhaps you are incapable of any more given you believe that:
but I also mentioned paedophiles. And if your perception is that my perception is that you are a nazi paedophile then what recourse do you have when:
Ah the problems of living on those metaphysically obtuse islands - or simply trying to explain to obtuse people.