Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

NinjaFletch said:
Ah right, we're doing the 'he will pivot any day now' thing with Boris too.
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That seems to be the impression being given, but who its meant to impress I'm not sure?

Some middle of the road Tories are worried by Boris's "Deal or no deal we are out on the 31st Oct" proclamation. However they know that if that 'Grand old Duke of York' strategy fails and Boris has to march his troops back down the hill because Parliament forces a GE, then he still remains the only person who can lead the party in a survival campaign against both Corbyn and Farage, in a GE. The claim that at heart Boris is 'a one nation tory' will allow the middle of the roaders in the tory party to hold their noses and vote for him.

Boris's appeal is Brexit or GE' I'm yer man'!
 
RedChip said:
Labour supporters aren't equally split between remain and leave, though, are they? They are losing three times as many remainers as leavers. So continuing to try to please both sides only make sense if they think keeping leavers is more important than losing remainers or they are arrogant enough to think remainers will stay loyal/return.
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Or they don't care about a majority as long as voters go left. I'm not sure the Lib Dems in a coalition would make Corbyn shift on any positions that the right of the Labour party haven't already.
 
Smores said:
Or they don't care about a majority as long as voters go left. I'm not sure the Lib Dems in a coalition would make Corbyn shift on any positions that the right of the Labour party haven't already.
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I'd be impressed if Corbyn takes a position on any stance, he's captain indecisive.

Shamwow said:
It's very frustrating arguing with people who can't or choose not to read.
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Some real barrel scraping as far as point scoring goes on the internet.
 
F-Red said:
Some real barrel scraping as far as point scoring goes on the internet.
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Or I'm just genuinely frustrated that people aren't actually reading the things they are arguing against. Especially when they completely disengage when you set them right, and just move on to the next bit of bollocks or revert to the usual platitudes. Theres 3 on the last page alone.
 
Shamwow said:
What happened for the 70th?
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Sassy Colin said:
I don't know, what did happen on the 70th?
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Shamwow said:
Obama did not get a state visit.
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This comment is in relation to the 70th anniversary of D-Day, not an absolute statement (he's not saying Obama never got a state visit.) I think that's where these responses

Sassy Colin said:
:confused:
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Kentonio said:
Erm..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13518279
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are confused(?)

Obama did of course visit the UK in 2014, but it was for a NATO summit. And Obama got a state visit in May 2011. Source: https://uk.usembassy.gov/our-relati...s-of-the-united-states-to-the-united-kingdom/

As you were
 
I think Corbyn is probably an intelligent decent well meaning caring type and an excellent narrator. But he’s an awful indecisive party leader.
 
After the Peterborough result, Jeremy will be saying "See I told you, stay on the fence and the Labour voters will stay solid for a GE type ballot"... and he may have a point. The Brexit party won't have the same 'magnetic pull' effect in a GE as in the Euro's, but it will be enough to decimate the Tories.
Surely his strategy of considered ambiguity with the aim of forcing a GE is more likely now than a second referendum? if Labour comes down on either side, Remain or Leave he risks splitting the party as the Tories have done, so put Emily back in her box Jeremy otherwise your grand scheme may fail at the final hurdle!
 
Maticmaker said:
After the Peterborough result, Jeremy will be saying "See I told you, stay on the fence and the Labour voters will stay solid for a GE type ballot"... and he may have a point. The Brexit party won't have the same 'magnetic pull' effect in a GE as in the Euro's, but it will be enough to decimate the Tories.
Surely his strategy of considered ambiguity with the aim of forcing a GE is more likely now than a second referendum? if Labour comes down on either side, Remain or Leave he risks splitting the party as the Tories have done, so put Emily back in her box Jeremy otherwise your grand scheme may fail at the final hurdle!
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He's a fool.
Labour lost 17% of the voters. Brexit will have a far bigger impact on people's lives than austerity. Maybe he thinks Brexit will be a mild inconvenience.
 
Drifter said:
Such a negative force. Oooh Jeremy Corbyn.

Peterborough by-election: Labour beats Brexit Party to hold seat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48532869

Farage once again fails to get a parliamentary seat , but still gets way to much airtime.
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I hate to be thankful for a labour victory, but thank goodness they beat off the threat of the Brexit Party, for the time being.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
He's a fool.
Labour lost 17% of the voters. Brexit will have a far bigger impact on people's lives than austerity. Maybe he thinks Brexit will be a mild inconvenience.
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He may well be, but even fools can up with something that works now and again!
Jeremy's only main concern is obtaining power in Government, after a lifetime of radical thoughts and ambitions and getting nowhere he now realises that through the emergence of Brexit, he has vehicle to ride to power, but he has to be as merciless and ruthless in his pursuit of that power as the Tories always are, otherwise he won't win. Jeremy is a relatively old school politician who sees the holy grail almost within his grasp, he really doesn't care one way or another about Brexit, when he's in power he will do it his way, even fighting his own party in order to do so... or go down in flames trying. It is his one and only chance of being remembered in the pantheon of Socialist Hero's and Heroine's.

I accept that his policies sound marvellous, who could disagree with much of them, but even in power he cannot achieve their realisation, if he wins a GE the money will flow out of Britain like a dam bursting, it would make a no deal Brexit look positively mild by comparison? Jeremy will have to spend most of his post GE victory shoring up the pound, even if he gets elected in time to revoke A50!

He will now consider himself one step away from being able to deliver a heroic Socialist Government, if only he can continue to deny the realisation of Brexit, whilst not saying so out loud!
 
Maticmaker said:
He may well be, but even fools can up with something that works now and again!
Jeremy's only main concern is obtaining power in Government, after a lifetime of radical thoughts and ambitions and getting nowhere he now realises that through the emergence of Brexit, he has vehicle to ride to power, but he has to be as merciless and ruthless in his pursuit of that power as the Tories always are, otherwise he won't win. Jeremy is a relatively old school politician who sees the holy grail almost within his grasp, he really doesn't care one way or another about Brexit, when he's in power he will do it his way, even fighting his own party in order to do so... or go down in flames trying. It is his one and only chance of being remembered in the pantheon of Socialist Hero's and Heroine's.

I accept that his policies sound marvellous, who could disagree with much of them, but even in power he cannot achieve their realisation, if he wins a GE the money will flow out of Britain like a dam bursting, it would make a no deal Brexit look positively mild by comparison? Jeremy will have to spend most of his post GE victory shoring up the pound, even if he gets elected in time to revoke A50!

He will now consider himself one step away from being able to deliver a heroic Socialist Government, if only he can continue to deny the realisation of Brexit, whilst not saying so out loud!
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We'll become Venezuela II.
 
Maticmaker said:
He may well be, but even fools can up with something that works now and again!
Jeremy's only main concern is obtaining power in Government, after a lifetime of radical thoughts and ambitions and getting nowhere he now realises that through the emergence of Brexit, he has vehicle to ride to power, but he has to be as merciless and ruthless in his pursuit of that power as the Tories always are, otherwise he won't win. Jeremy is a relatively old school politician who sees the holy grail almost within his grasp, he really doesn't care one way or another about Brexit, when he's in power he will do it his way, even fighting his own party in order to do so... or go down in flames trying. It is his one and only chance of being remembered in the pantheon of Socialist Hero's and Heroine's.

I accept that his policies sound marvellous, who could disagree with much of them, but even in power he cannot achieve their realisation, if he wins a GE the money will flow out of Britain like a dam bursting, it would make a no deal Brexit look positively mild by comparison? Jeremy will have to spend most of his post GE victory shoring up the pound, even if he gets elected in time to revoke A50!

He will now consider himself one step away from being able to deliver a heroic Socialist Government, if only he can continue to deny the realisation of Brexit, whilst not saying so out loud!
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Winning a by election by a tiny margin is not much of a success. He has no hope of winning a GE by ignoring Brexit.
Yes Brexit + Corbyn - vultures will be picking over the bones of what's left of Britain. Donald+Vlad+Xi will love it.
 
I see he's come out to celebrate with his shin pads on.
 
Labour talk is a bit of a red herring. They returned pretty poorly here (they've only thrice returned lower in the history of the party) and won the by election as the result of the Brexit vote being split two ways.

That's good news for Labour which will probably replicate nationally (it would be a huge irony if Farage's Brexit party succeeded in getting Labour elected) but the real conversation should be bout the Conservatives. I can't really see how they will look at today's result and conclude anything other than they need to lurch further towards the right.

Oh and :lol: at the CHUK backed candidate finishing behind the Monster Raving Looney party.
 
Maticmaker said:
The Brexit party won't have the same 'magnetic pull' effect in a GE as in the Euro's, but it will be enough to decimate the Tories.
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I'm not sure the Brexit Party will a relevant concern at the next GE, because no Tory leader is calling a GE until Brexit is resolved.

The likeliest outcome now is crashing out without a deal on October 31st. When that happens, the Brexit Party's raison d'être immediately evaporates (see post- referendum UKIP, who were a complete non-entity in the 2017 election).

Even if we had a GE before Brexit was completed, it would also be a mistake to assume that the Brexit Party would only take votes off the Tories (as evidenced by the Euro election results).
 
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Infra-red said:
I'm not sure the Brexit Party will a relevant concern at the next GE, because no Tory leader is calling a GE until Brexit is resolved.

The likeliest outcome now is crashing out without a deal on October 31st. When that happens, the Brexit Party's raison d'être immediately evaporates (see post- referendum UKIP, who were a complete non-entity in the 2017 election).

Even if we had a GE before Brexit was completed, it would also be a mistake to assume that the Brexit Party would only take votes off the Tories (as evidenced by the Euro election results).
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No but the HoC in a no confidence vote and with the help of the Remain's secret weapon (John Bercow) could force one!

Don't forget the EU has all but turned its back on the UK now, for them its take it or leave it time UK, on 31st Oct. I can't see any prospect of the EU reconvening a negotiation team, can you?That's why Farage keeps up this bluff about 'let me at em'.. I want to join the negotiating team..."what negotiation and what team? The EU won't sanction further negotiations, and the Tories will never bring him on board even if there was one, so he can continue to say to the country "look see the Government is still against you, vote for me...er I mean the Brexit party!.

Whatever you may think of Nigel Farage and his politics you have to admit he is master at gaining the upper hand and he knocks all our current leading politicians into a cocked-hat. I suspect the whole front row of both the Tories and Labour will have to depart the stage and the new Brexit party and the Lib dems with a younger front bench will take things forward. Almost all of our leading politicians especially in the two main parties are already looking like yesterdays men (and women).

"Taxi to the back benches (or retirement homes) please".
 
Maticmaker said:
No but the HoC in a no confidence vote and with the help of the Remain's secret weapon (John Bercow) could force one!

Don't forget the EU has all but turned its back on the UK now, for them its take it or leave it time UK, on 31st Oct. I can't see any prospect of the EU reconvening a negotiation team, can you?That's why Farage keeps up this bluff about 'let me at em'.. I want to join the negotiating team..."what negotiation and what team? The EU won't sanction further negotiations, and the Tories will never bring him on board even if there was one, so he can continue to say to the country "look see the Government is still against you, vote for me...er I mean the Brexit party!.

Whatever you may think of Nigel Farage and his politics you have to admit he is master at gaining the upper hand and he knocks all our current leading politicians into a cocked-hat. I suspect the whole front row of both the Tories and Labour will have to depart the stage and the new Brexit party and the Lib dems with a younger front bench will take things forward. Almost all of our leading politicians especially in the two main parties are already looking like yesterdays men (and women).

"Taxi to the back benches (or retirement homes) please".
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I dunno - I can see an awful lot of Labour and Conservative MP's worried about their jobs in a snap election
 
sun_tzu said:
I dunno - I can see an awful lot of Labour and Conservative MP's worried about their jobs in a snap election
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I should think so as well!

So they should despite all the hullabaloo, it was quite simple we had a binary choice, stay or we go. We voted to go!
Since the EU said from day one we cannot negotiate a Trade agreement until the UK leaves, then we should have said ok here's the signed A50 we leave on the 29th March 2019 and then used the time internally (not with the EU) to discuss what happens after that date, if we could not reach an agreement in the HoC to put to the EU then we should have told the EU we are revoking A50 and we have decided to stay.

Then all politicians could have faced the music (electorate) with their dignity intact reap whatever reward the electorate gives them at the next GE. It sounds simple and it was simple, but not it seems to our self serving politicians!
 
Sassy Colin said:
I hate to be thankful for a labour victory, but thank goodness they beat off the threat of the Brexit Party, for the time being.
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Was it in doubt?. Although Corbyn's reaction towards the press showed the relief and anger he had bottled up.
 
Decimated must one of the most misused words in the World.

Look up what it means before bandying it about.

1 in 10, if either of the main parties were only losing 10% of their voters to the Brexit Party they wouldn't be that worried.

Minor rant over :mad:
 
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