Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Nikhil said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ny-jk-rowling-laments-corbyns-strong-position

Interesting article. JK Rowling is getting a lot of heat on twitter for this tweet.



It'll be interesting to see what happens now.
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presumably she is a Blaitite reincarnation of thatcher and harry potter was a way of brainwashing kids into the benifis of private schools and a de-regulated education policy - I imagine her local momentum campaigners are busy scrawling rape threats on bricks to chuck through her windows
 
sun_tzu said:
presumably she is a Blaitite reincarnation of thatcher and harry potter was a way of brainwashing kids into the benifis of private schools and a de-regulated education policy - I imagine her local momentum campaigners are busy scrawling rape threats on bricks to chuck through her windows
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They probably just find it a little odd that she points to her use of the welfare state, before making it big, to 'validate' backing of a group of people who used those like her as a political tool to appease the right-wing tabloids and their readers.

Or as Rachel Reeves so eloquently put it: "We are not the party of people on benefits. We don't want to be seen and we're not the party to represent those who are out of work. Labour are a party of working people formed for and by working people"
 
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Trust The Guardian to be uncritically airing the complaints of Chi Onwurah again. She's hilarious:

"I made no accusation of racism against Jeremy. Nevertheless I was accused of playing the race card; of reaching a new low in the leadership campaign; of colluding with the mainstream media; of not speaking out at the right time; of not speaking out in the right way; of letting ethnic minorities down."
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In her own article, which she is referring to:

"If this had been any of my previous employers in the public and private sectors Jeremy might well have found himself before an industrial tribunal for constructive dismissal, probably with racial discrimination thrown in – given that only five per cent of MPs are black and female, picking on us two is statistically interesting to say the least."
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So stating that in the public and private sector Jeremy Corbyn would have been brought before a tribunal for racial discrimination isn't an accusation of racism? Right. Ok.
 
Untied said:

"If this had been any of my previous employers in the public and private sectors Jeremy might well have found himself before an industrial tribunal for constructive dismissal, probably with racial discrimination thrown in – given that only five per cent of MPs are black and female, picking on us two is statistically interesting to say the least."


So stating that in the public and private sector Jeremy Corbyn would have been brought before a tribunal for racial discrimination isn't an accusation of racism? Right. Ok.
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thats correct it isn't because she worded it well
Firstly she said he could have been - not would have been
secondly he could have been for constructive dismissal... racial discrimination is tagged on as a possibility but not the direct accusation and is based upon a statistical argument rather than a specific allegation
 
sun_tzu said:
thats correct it isn't because she worded it well
Firstly she said he could have been - not would have been
secondly he could have been for constructive dismissal... racial discrimination is tagged on as a possibility but not the direct accusation and is based upon a statistical argument rather than a specific allegation
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:lol: Sorry but what a load of crap. Why bother defending something like that. You dont have to side with everything against Corbyn.
 
This goes into a bit more detail about the "purge" - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...uk_57c83796e4b01e35922a3ab6?tzndbajz74gzoxbt9

Imagine being the one asked to setup this spreadsheet:
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So, serious question here.

Corbyn will win this month, but it is clear from the testimonies and stories from the resigned Shadow Cabinet members that his leadership has not been as organised as it should be. Putting aside the assumption that all these individuals are massively exaggerating or making up their stories, what should Corbyn do to improve his running of the Labour Party?
 
sun_tzu said:
thats correct it isn't because she worded it well
Firstly she said he could have been - not would have been
secondly he could have been for constructive dismissal... racial discrimination is tagged on as a possibility but not the direct accusation and is based upon a statistical argument rather than a specific allegation
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OK. "I didn't accuse Corbyn of racism, I accused him of racism 60% of the time, every time."

Well anyway, she's got what she wanted. The initial story featured on the front of the Guardian's website stating that a Labour MP accuses Corbyn of racial discrimination, and now a second article accusing Corbynites of a discriminatory response and that the left is trying to silence minorities. Well done. 5/5.
 
Heal and settle? How Team Corbyn hope to put the party back together again

The leader's allies believe demonstrating greater competence will bring enough of the rebels back on side.

By Stephen Bush

Although the mood in the leader’s office is not one of elation, it’s fair to say that minds are more focussed on securing a successful conference following Jeremy Corbyn’s re-election than updating their LinkedIns in the event of a shock victory for Owen Smith.

Within Team Corbyn, the feeling is that they are well-placed to enjoy a better start to Corbyn’s second spell at the top than his first. Although a series of polls of the race made Corbyn the favourite to win, with even the bookmakers belatedly catching up to the Corbyn phenomenon by the last days, the Corbyn operation was still poorly-prepared for victory. Most of the campaign had taken leave from their jobs or were on secondment from sympathetic trade unions, leaving the newly-elected Labour leader with a barebones staff in which Simon Fletcher, the campaign manager, was acting as chief-of-staff, head of rebuttal, and roving press officer.

This time, Corbyn’s allies believe, things will be very different. The leaders’ office has remained separate from the campaign, so the transition between the two should be less painful than it was last summer.

The expectation is that enough people who have quit the shadow cabinet will return, particularly, as looks likely from all the polls and from constituency nominations, Corbyn secures a larger victory than he did last year.

There is a view among some senior Corbynites that moving forward with a pared-down shadow cabinet is not all bad news. Last year, in order to get a balanced Cabinet they had to hand big jobs to Andy Burnham’s mostly male allies, which they received a hammering over and the resulting unity didn’t last past the row over the Syria vote. However, it is a minority view.

There is a recognition that many of the complaints about competence have been fair, but a feeling that the new “flat” structure of the leader’s office – with Seumas Milne, Simon Fletcher, Karie Murphy and Katy Clark all on an equal footing, with Murphy acting as office manager – has started to pay dividends. “If we show competence, that will bring some people back onside,” says one senior figure. Another sums up the view: “The reality is that most MPs are not out to get him every day or talking to press. There are 10 or so who are, we could both name them, but there is a winnable middle out there.”

As for party headquarters, although talk of a wholesale purge of party staff is overstated, the leader’s office will take steps to “fix the relationship” with the leader’s office and party HQ. There is little appetite to relocate the leader’s office from Norman Shaw South to party HQ, which some Miliband allies believed would have given Ed Miliband a better grip on the party’s operations. But is likely that a deputy for Milne will be appointed, who will work out of Southside to get HQ and the leader’s office singing from the same sheet.

Overall, there is a sense of optimism that 2017 will be a more successful year than 2016, as the contradictions over Brexit begin to make themselves shown, while the populist stylings of Vote Leave are seen as a better harbinger for Corbyn than Theresa May. “This year [starting in September] will be better than last year,” says one staffer.

As for Corbyn’s opponents, despite the poor polling, many Corbynsceptics still believe than Smith will triumph despite the odds. It remains to be seen whether the shock of defeat makes Corbyn’s internal critics inclined to make peace – or more committed to his overthrow.
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http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...eam-corbyn-hope-put-party-back-together-again

This is making me more optimistic that there will be neither a split nor a purge.
 
The MP for Pontypridd was speaking in the wake of an opinion poll that placed him 24 points behind current party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

In the interview on Sky News, presenter Kay Burley put it to him that he was "toast" and that he "had no chance of being Labour leader".

“Well, I don’t agree with that at all," he replied.

“There has been one poll that puts me 20 points behind but the truth is… the truth is the poll is based on last year’s data, last year’s electorate. A third of those voters have not yet voted so there’s a long way to run in the race.

"Our data, the polling that we’ve been doing, the phone banking that we’ve been doing shows that this is still balanced on knife’s edge – that it is 50-50."

Asked where he was “sure” by the presenter, Mr Smith retorted: “Positive, positive… Yes, I wouldn’t be entering this race unless I thought I had a chance of winning it Kay and I’m still convinced this is balanced on a knife edge”

The encounter comes after polling, released by YouGov on Tuesday, claimed Mr Corbyn was on course for a landslide victory in the contest. The poll placed the Labour leader on 62 per cent of the vote share – 24 points ahead of Mr Smith, who was on 38 per cent.

This result would represent an increase in support for Mr Corbyn compared to the results of the 2015 leadership election – where he won 59.5 per cent of members' vote.

The left-wing leader’s lead in the poll comes despite Labour’s ruling body winning a challenge against a High Court decision allowing new party members to vote in the contest.

The decision to overturn the High Court judgement was widely expected to have damaged Mr Corbyn’s campaign to retain his position at the helm of the party.



Would have been simpler to say "Yes Kay you are right i am toast"
 
I know Scotland's lost regardless, but these numbers are still unbelievable.

 
Ubik said:
I know Scotland's lost regardless, but these numbers are still unbelievable.

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I'm sure if I cast my mind back to the last labour leadership election all the corbynistas were saying that he was the only way to win back scotland - what the scots wanted was an anti trident leader pushing more socialist policies and they would all return to the labour flock... oh well Im sure its not corbyns fault - probably the nasty media up in scotland and no doubt still tony blairs fault in some way
 
Ubik said:
I know Scotland's lost regardless, but these numbers are still unbelievable.

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Agree with Yougov in finding Davidson/Sturgeon more interesting than Corbyn and Dugdale's well known unpopularity in Scotland. I think Davidson is playing quite a big part in Labour's demise, north of the border. She's made it acceptable to vote Tory again, for the first time in decades, thus the committed 'remain' vote is not longer all going to Labour.
sun_tzu said:
I'm sure if I cast my mind back to the last labour leadership election all the corbynistas were saying that he was the only way to win back scotland - what the scots wanted was an anti trident leader pushing more socialist policies and they would all return to the labour flock... oh well Im sure its not corbyns fault - probably the nasty media up in scotland and no doubt still tony blairs fault in some way
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You're overdoing the sarcasm, lately.
 
Frosty said:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...eam-corbyn-hope-put-party-back-together-again

This is making me more optimistic that there will be neither a split nor a purge.
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I feel like we've heard the same things before, and he's still failed to be a competent leader. We'll have to wait and see if he and McDonnell can allow shadow cabinet members to lead their briefs, without interference, and without the leadership undermining them.

Corbyn's also been increasingly gaff-prone when not talking about his pet topic of foreign affairs. In the last few weeks, he's described himself as not wealthy, described the £20k he got from Press TV as not a lot of money, and insinuated that working dads aren't bothered about getting home to see their kids after work. If Owen Smith were coming out with some of those lines he'd be crucified.
 
Ubik said:
I know Scotland's lost regardless, but these numbers are still unbelievable.

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Is Ruth Davidsons popularity purely down to her media work or has she actually been quite effective?

Whenever i have across her its usually media. As if she's trying to Boris her way into power
 
Smores said:
Is Ruth Davidsons popularity purely down to her media work or has she actually been quite effective?

Whenever i have across her its usually media. As if she's trying to Boris her way into power
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Mix of both. She's savvy and very effective. She occasionally criticises the Tories in smallish ways to distance herself from them without actually disagreeing on anything important as such. Her 2016 campaign very much centred on her as opposed to the Tories as a whole.

Nevertheless though she also does benefit from favourable media coverage. Still, far stronger as an opposition figure than Dugdale is.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Jewish Labour MP reveals she received more than 20,000 pieces of abuse in just 12 hours

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...eals-she-received-more-than-2000-pieces-of-a/
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He's already condemed such behaviour hasn't he?

No politician should be linked or held accountable to dicks on the internet. Its like these MPs don't have any idea what Twitter is.
A celeb can make a joke about Zayne Malik or the curly haired one and receive a million death threats. Put yourself on Twitter and you're going to get abuse.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Agree with Yougov in finding Davidson/Sturgeon more interesting than Corbyn and Dugdale's well known unpopularity in Scotland. I think Davidson is playing quite a big part in Labour's demise, north of the border. She's made it acceptable to vote Tory again, for the first time in decades, thus the committed 'remain' vote is not longer all going to Labour.
You're overdoing the sarcasm, lately.
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Labour are unpopular in Scotland. Corbyn is therefore by association, not because of his policies.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Agree with Yougov in finding Davidson/Sturgeon more interesting than Corbyn and Dugdale's well known unpopularity in Scotland. I think Davidson is playing quite a big part in Labour's demise, north of the border. She's made it acceptable to vote Tory again, for the first time in decades, thus the committed 'remain' vote is not longer all going to Labour.
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She was successful in appealing to the Labour vote who are still wholly and completely committed to the union. Scottish Labour were less hardline (although still consistent) on any future referendums than Davidson's Tories. It was actually a sensible stance from Scottish Labour...because independence may be something they come to back if it suits their circumstances better, but it was never going to win vote. Indy supporters have already gone SNP, and as a result a portion of the committed unionist vote went Tory because they seemed stronger on the issue than Labour.

Fingeredmouse said:
Labour are unpopular in Scotland. Corbyn is therefore by association, not because of his policies.
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But he comes out much, much worse in this one than Dugdale. Which is impressive, considering how poor she is.
 
Cheesy said:
But he comes out much, much worse in this one than Dugdale. Which is impressive, considering how poor she is.
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And he's also at -22 with current Labour voters.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...r-20-million-government-bailout-a7221276.html

Private company southern rail reveal £100m profits day after £20m government bailout
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The company which jointly operates the troubled Southern rail franchise, has seen full-year profits soar 27 per cent to almost £100 million, just one day after the Government handed Southern a £20 million "bailout" package.

On Thursday transport secretary Chris Grayling said the funds would help Southern “get to grips” with the delays and disruption which have caused months of misery for commuters.

Go-Ahead Group, which owns 65 per cent of Southern operator Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR) alongside Keolis, also saw revenues rise 4.5 per cent to £3.4 billion.

Boss David Brown said: "A large part of the role of the GTR franchise is to introduce three new train fleets and modernise working practices. During this period of change, Southern services have been disrupted by restricted network capacity, strike action and increased levels of absence.

"We apologise to the people whose lives have been affected during this time. We continue to work closely with the DfT (Department for Transport), Network Rail and other suppliers and partners to operate the best service possible while delivering the long-term improvements."

Brown saw his pay rise to £2.16 million this year, from £1.96 million in 2015, despite the network he operates having the worst punctuality record of any franchise in the country, with almost one in five trains late. The Southern rail owner runs the five worst performing lines in the country, including the nation's least punctual train line, the premium-priced "Gatwick Express" which notched up 8,100 late services in the first six months of 2016.

In January, Southern announced fare rises for exasperated passengers. The company has failed to resolve a bitter dispute with unions over the role of guards and staff shortages.

But Southern said it plans to press ahead with replacing guards with new on-board train supervisors, who do not have control of train doors. The move has triggered strike action from unions, who say the move will compromise safety.

Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union general secretary Mick Cash said: "While Go-Ahead have been driving Britain's biggest rail franchise into total meltdown, the cash has been sloshing through the boardroom at obscene levels. This is reward for total failure on a scale which is off the map.

"Just a fraction of these profits would be enough to keep the guards on Southern trains, keep the passengers safe and resolve the industrial dispute between RMT and the company. It is shameful that they have opted to hoard cash instead of protecting the travelling public."

Southern rail strikes: On board the 5.20pm from Victoria

Southern was given some good news when the TSSA union called off a planned 24-hour walkout on 7 September in a row over ticket office closures.

But the 48-hour walkout over the deadlocked guards dispute is fue to go ahead as planned on 7 and 8 September, which will cause fresh travel misery for hundreds of thousands of passengers.

Mr Cash added: "It is also deeply cynical that Southern/Go-Ahead have brought forward this mega profit announcement so it doesn't clash with the strike action by guards next week. They are a money-raking disaster that has turned Britain's railways into a global laughing stock and they should be slung out and replaced by the public sector option."
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As I don't do facebook I'm unable to see what this tweet links to. Can someone unravel this mystery for me please?

 
Drifter said:
Jeremy Corbyn's Cannabis Policy Backed By Former Drugs Chief David Nutt

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...utt_uk_57c99188e4b09f5b5e3659ef?utm_hp_ref=uk

Not the greatest name for a drugs chief.
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I think it's absolutely mental the stance they take against Nutt's expert advice.


He's the man they hired as an expert in his field to advise them on something they know absolutely nothing about and when his expert advice contradicts their policies, rather than adjusting their policies to reflect his thoughts, they sack him. Mental.
 
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