Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

I watched Countdown To Zero last night, a docu about nuclear weapons. It really reinforced for me how surprising it is that the mainstream is so firmly rooted in renewing Trident. I can understand the arguments for renewing but they are not so overwhelming that there shouldnt be a more balanced debate about it. Personally I find the idea of scrapping Trident to be one of Corbyn's most compelling ideas and I hope it triggers a serious debate, and doesnt just get shouted down by the rest of the Labour party.

Do you mean vs scrapping the nuclear deterrent altogether, or switching to a different type of nuclear weapon programme?
 
What's the point in Trident?
The point of trident is completely irrelevant to my own interest in nuclear power generation for base loading of a grid being the best long term and certainly most carbon efficient solution available...

My views on trident are far more flexible actually as in personally I would probably favour renewal but in truth thats based mainly off the military contacts I have being so much in favour and them (in my opinion) knowing more than me... either way that wouldn't be a personal reason for my concern and it is actually an issue I think should somewhat transend party politics and be a "free vote" for MP's

Civilian nuclear I am most certainly am in favour of - especially the new builds for the horizon and hinkley proposals (and to an extent sellafield though I personally believe some of the logistical issues around that site make it a little less beneficial but that's rather technical issues that i dont think have been addressed yet)
 
The Telegraph:

It won't change a single vote, and wouldn't have done so even if Mr Cameron was standing again.

In summary, this country is now led by a man whom many voters will forever believe or suspect once had sex with a dead pig. And that fact has essentially no political significance.

FFS.
 
Link? I read somewhere else that the 'Murdoch papers' aren't covering the story.
they all have it online now

the mail released the online article at 23:00 last night and had the front page story in the paper tagged as exclusive
http://www.thepaperboy.com/uk/front-pages.cfm
so that is probably the reason rather than anything else as to why nobody else had it (they paid to serialise the book I understand)
 
Dunno about The Times, as paywall, but there's no mention of the pig in that Telegraph piece, as far as I can see.
 
Do you mean vs scrapping the nuclear deterrent altogether, or switching to a different type of nuclear weapon programme?
Instinctively the former but I would go into the debate with an open mind as far as that question goes.

The NPT says countries like Japan and Germany and just about everyone in fact doesnt need nuclear weapons because they are protected by the US. I would argue that, assuming the US is willing to extend that offer to us as well, there is no reason why we need something that most get by without.
 
Dunno about The Times, as paywall, but there's no mention of the pig in that Telegraph piece, as far as I can see.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...d-sex-with-a-pig-It-really-doesnt-matter.html

And from the times

It claims the prime minister was also a member of an Oxford society that specialises in “bizarre rituals and sexual excess” and cites a source who claims that during the initiation ceremony, Mr Cameron “put a private part of his anatomy” into a dead pig’s mouth.
 
Dunno about The Times, as paywall, but there's no mention of the pig in that Telegraph piece, as far as I can see.
probably because that particular article was written
By Peter Dominiczak, Political Editor

at 11:45PM BST 20 Sep 2015

the story was broke as an exclusive (because they have paid to serialise the book) by the mail today - so it is most probable that the telegraph would not have had access to those particular allegations at the time of writing.

By 9:34 am on 21 Sept 2015 they had another article up
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...d-sex-with-a-pig-It-really-doesnt-matter.html
 
I love the way the pig revelation is hidden away in some of these articles. Imagine reading that whole article, without any forewarning or prior knowledge of piggate, and coming upon that sentence. :lol:
 
I suspect if it was Corbyn we'd have front page headlines of "Nutjob Corbyn Fellates Stalin-style Pig as Insult to Queen" although I think pig is a horribly insulting word to use when referring to Diane Abbot.
 
The point of trident is completely irrelevant to my own interest in nuclear power generation for base loading of a grid being the best long term and certainly most carbon efficient solution available...

My views on trident are far more flexible actually as in personally I would probably favour renewal but in truth thats based mainly off the military contacts I have being so much in favour and them (in my opinion) knowing more than me... either way that wouldn't be a personal reason for my concern and it is actually an issue I think should somewhat transend party politics and be a "free vote" for MP's

Civilian nuclear I am most certainly am in favour of - especially the new builds for the horizon and hinkley proposals (and to an extent sellafield though I personally believe some of the logistical issues around that site make it a little less beneficial but that's rather technical issues that i dont think have been addressed yet)

I'm somewhat in favour of civilian nuclear power but I just really don't understand the point for a nation like ours to have Trident.
 
I wonder if anybody will use parliamentary privilege to ask cameron outright at pmq's

can we expect something along the lines of
Speaker: Mr Dennis Skinner
Skinner: As the Prime Minister might be aware there are not many Miners left in my constituency... but we do have a lot of Farmers and one of my constituents is a pig farmer... as we know pigs are a subject close to the prime ministers heart and if reports are to be believed other parts of him as well. So Prime Minister are you a pig fu**er?
Speaker: GET OUT
Skinner: (walks away): pig fu**er, PIG FU**ER, Piggy piggy piggy PIG FU**ER
 
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I wonder if anybody will use parliamentary privilege to ask cameron outright at pmq's

or if we can expect something more along the lines of
Speaker: Mr Dennis Skinner
Skinner: As the Prime Minister might be aware there are not many Miners left in my constituency... but we do have a lot of Farmers and one of my constituents is a pig farmer... as we know pigs are a subject close to the prime ministers heart and if reports are to be believed other parts of him as well. So Prime Minister are you a pig fu**er?
Speaker: GET OUT
Skinner: (walks away): pig fu**er, PIG FU**er, Piggy piggy piggy PIG FU**er
Cheered on by a chorus of 'oink oink oink'
 
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Political par of the day:
Mr Farron's suggestion of possible defections was dismissed by Mr Watson, who said it "would be like leaving the Beatles to join a Bananarama tribute band".
 
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It does look like a story that will catch on...

Thatcher never shook the Milk Snatcher moniker... but pig fu**er

well perhaps he wont be around for long after the referendum after all
Nah it'll be dead within a week or two. LIKE THE PIG HE FECKED! Oink oink.
 
The entire point of Trident is so that certain 'patriots', none more so than the mainstream media, can hold onto their delusions of grandeur that Britain is still a major power on the international scene. It's been a tough half century for the Rule Britannia brigade so who's to say it isn't worth spending £100,000,000,000 on calming those insecurities a little?