I think I will end up leaving the party if it can't be sorted out and Corbyn remains in charge. Such a shame what Labour has turned into.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Cheers.
I'm 75% certain now that Smith will be the next Labour leader
Probably. A fairly dull candidate who tries to position himself as someone who's providing a position vision that will most likely get trounced in 2020, or sooner if May calls an election.
The irony there is astounding.
See thats an interesting position. Is it his politics or that you just think hes useless? Id say policy hasnt changed enough from traditional Labour values for someone to want to leave and im not sure why you'd leave just because they're useless.
Anyway i just came on to post this
I find that incredibly amusing across all points made. It demonstrates a complete lack of awareness of how their own actions are perceived and a complete contradiction to their claims of it being about unity and not Angela.
He's getting to be like Van Gaal now.
Personal pride too big to even consider the long term health of the party.
Personal pride too big to even consider the long term health of the party.
I believe him when he says he feels he has a responsibility to respect the wishes of the many thousands that voted him leader - over those of his fellow MPs who voted "no confidence". Some of them ran against him last time and didn't get close. Some of them seem less than genuine, tbh. I, along with many - perhaps the majority - respect his sincerity and consider that a rare thing in a politician these days. Also, his voting record stands up to scrutiny better than most. I'll pay the £25 to vote for him.
He's obviously useless. But more than that, I don't like where the momentum movement is taking the party. Talk of deselections, intimidation, unwillingness to compromise. Everytime I hear people say 'Red Tories' I cringe. Labour is in danger of becoming a cult rather than a political party looking to govern.
The reason I pay my membership fees is to try to support an electable centre-left alternative to the Tories. If I wanted to support a protest movement, there are far better choices than the militant wing of the Labour Party.
Listening to Angela Eagle on the Marr show her main points seem to be.
- I'm from the north
- I'm a woman
- My mum was a seamstress
I'm feeling quite confident of my own chances, looking at that CV. My mum was a typist.
My position is similar: I will not be wasting my vote on a protest focused party, incapable of leading the country. What is the point? To have a significant impact, you need to be electable. It is all very well having a 'mandate' from the party members but you need to be able to carry with you many others who haven't joined the party but whose values and interests most closely align with labour. To me it seems Corbyn's Labour is not at all bothered about representing those people, among whom I am one.
Which in the grand schemes of things will be a total waste of money.
Owen Smith and Angela Eagle's performance on Marr 
Hats off to Owen especially, a real man of principle. From "Personally I'm going to argue today that austerity is right" to "austerity is a completely self defeating economic strategy" in the time it took between the Andrew Marr show and Sunday Politics.
Hats off to Owen especially, a real man of principle. From "Personally I'm going to argue today that austerity is right" to "austerity is a completely self defeating economic strategy" in the time it took between the Andrew Marr show and Sunday Politics.
I'm amazed she hasn't insisted on having the music from the Hovis advert playing in the background every time she's interviewed.
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sad thing is your right,
i'm a Corbyn supporter, but their is no way this party can get elected and certainly not run a country with Jermey as leader it's to divided.
thier also isn't really a decent way forward:
- if Corbyn was to step down, we'd basically go back to the new labour tory party, which is basically conservative party for new money, which has become a pointless party.
- if the party splits then the its will take both party's years to get together to be any kind of real opposition.
Neither will win and Labour will still be broken with zero chance of being elected to government. All Corbyn's ideas and policies count for feck all being in perpetual opposition.
true but then whats the point electing the labour party unless its going to offer a different voice to the conservative party, cos the the labour party in recent years has just been a tinny tiny bit less right wing version of the conservatives and thats what the labour party will go back too if corbyn steps down.
I don't think Owen Smiths plan of repeatedly comparing people who voted Leave to the car buying methods of Homer Simpsons, is going to work.
Doesn't sound good does it?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...binet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
I'm in Unite so I get a vote?
Tricky one....i think Corbyn has a perfect ready made home at the SWP.
The Blairites have a ready made home with the Tories.
Not entirely surprising at this point that more 2015 Labour voters think May's a better option as PM than him.
Fair enough if you think its wasted funding. Im not sure about the rest though as it seems your taking momentum to be the same thing as the Labour party right now. Which it isnt really at all no matter what some might say.
I take it you'll be going Owen Smith. Tempted myself even if he does seem less than sincere.
If you joined before January this year then yes, I think.
I've been a member all my adult life.
and you pay the political levy
Have you been paying the "political levy"?
Nah so I won't get a vote then.
Yeah, thought that as well. Awful position from the Eagle camp, she really doesn't come across as a good campaigner.
Excellent post.
To be fair the Blairites didn't even wait for the votes to be counted in the first election before they were plotting to oust him.
The shadow cabinet have decided to abstain (against party policy).
what is current policy? - the manifesto said renewal, but didn't Corbyn say its a matter of conscience therefore a free vote?
though presumably Corbyn will vote against and therefore against policy (or at least the manifesto they were elected on and as yet there has been no new "official" policy) - that said its probably the lesser of two evils for him as he will be damned even more if he votes against his stated beliefs anyway hopefully the mess will be enough to get lots of more moderate potential labour voters to see what a liability he is and then they can pay their £25 tomorrow to boot him out.
Though I doubt it and it will be just another factor in the inevitable split of the party
Pretty much. Both sides have made an absolute mess of this, and anyone who wants an electable alternative to the Tories should be disappointed and frustrated by both wings of the party.
It's the equivalent of the Tea Party in the US. Threatening or actually forcing primaries for anyone who isn't ideologically pure enough for the most extreme. Instead of RINOs, they just call them "Red Tories" or "Tory Lites." It's a major part of why our Congress is so dysfunctional.
Its bad enough when the media are gunning against the leader as they have always done in recent times "oh look he cant eat a bacon sandwich". Adding voices within the party to that and no one stands a chance. The public are very easily influenced by such headlines but then of course they knew that.
Im starting to become defeated by it all. Think ill vote Smith just so we dont have to listen to the backstabbers within the party constantly moan. Although it sounds like some on the right of the party wont even be happy with him so we'll see.
It actually makes sense for Labour, though. The party is ideologically split, so deselections wouldn't be a bad thing, considering an actual split is on the way. The deselected candidates can run as part of the new-new-new Labour, or whatever they call themselves. They might even win (probably).