Well he was one of the great welfare abstainers so he's certainly had a good go at that.
All we need now is for him to squash a few poor people and he'll be golden for the Labour gig.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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No doubt if it comes to him vs Corbyn in a vote off, Corbyn will win by one vote due to Smith abstaining.
It depends what you are looking for I guess.
I'm trying to like the guy because he's a good speaker and he'd probably be a good campaigner but something seems off about him.
Also what do you think about his proposal to give the UK a vote on the Brexit deal? It seems like a good move on the face of things but would it not affect our ability to actually negotiate the deal if they know it can easily get rejected by the public?
He's a turd that won't flush.
It would also be futile because once we start the process that's it. It's out or re-apply.
I need to find out more about this because if hes just offering policies which sound nice but which would actually hinder us then I can't vote for him. I mean hed just be another Cameron who would sell the country's future for a year in office.
So... The NEC try to keep JC off the ballot and fail. They then rule that the 130,000 new members can't vote. Unite and other unions say "join us and you can still vote". The NEC then rule that new union members can't vote either. In case the disenfranchised new union/labour party members want to raise their concerns (or worse, try to get their MPs deselected) at their next LP meeting - the NEC have ensured they won't be able until after the leadership contest is over, by imposing a ban on local party meetings until then.
In 1953 in East Germany there was an uprising against the Stasi-backed regime. Bertholt Brecht wrote a poem that finished with the lines:
Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Lösung
Seems apt.
In 1953 in East Germany there was an uprising against the Stasi-backed regime. Bertholt Brecht wrote a poem that finished with the lines:
Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Lösung
Seems apt.
There's something very, very wrong in the way the NEC are behaving. Preventing people from voting is not democracy in action. It's akin to fixing, or trying to fix, the result. Labour should be ashamed. They are not the party of the people any more.
At best my understanding is that is questionable and in practical terms probably not the case at all
There is no actually established procedure for withdrawing the notice of intention to withdraw under article 50 - that much is true
Though there is nothing within article 50 that states it can not be withdrawn at any time - the precedent would seem to be that until negotiations are finished (2 years max unless all parties agree to extend which can in theory be indefinite) then the UK remains a full member of the EU with the same obligations and indeed the same rights - one of which would be to determine if they wished to withdraw or continue just as it is solely down to the UK to determine when to submit notice of intention to leave under article 50)... given that certainly on the face of it the EU are saying there preference would be for the UK to remain I suspect that if there was a will the EU and UK lawyers could certainly find a way to justify the process.
If there is any legislation that states article 50 can not be withdrawn Id love a link to it as I have seen nothing to suggest that is the case.
Im also torn on that as he cant deliver on it. Then i thought okay perhaps itll actually put more pressure on May to call a GE if there's movement to Labour because of it.
He's a better choice than Eagle thats for certain. If the PLP choose Eagle over Smith as their anti-Corbyn candidate then itl2l demonstrate that their intentions arent as stated.
Received today by email. It's disgraceful, it really is.
I love the justifying paragraph, with its vague reference to a "marked increase in reports of intimidation and threatening behaviour". If there's any intimidation or threatening behaviour from someone towards someone else, I consider that the remit of the police, not the NEC.
Oh hey, they're still treating me as a member pre-January, result.
I ticked the secret Blairite boxConspiracy
The suspension of CLP meetings is just as bad. Its a ridiculous use of power and as you say its a police matter first and foremost, if they recommended the closure of certain events then fair enough. Why should peaceful CLPs be affected?
Im expecting them to propose Trident should be a secret ballot. If not i'd question their reasoning.
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Affiliate membership has the same freeze date as standard membership I'm afraid.
Booo.
Indeed. Well put.
If the Executive is going to treat Labour as a closed shop regarding dissenting voices, then they shouldn't be surprised when the mass of people decide to shop elsewhere.
A man has been arrested for threatening to kill Angela Eagle.
Good grief. What an idiot.
Hopefully a few arrests will put a stop to this kind of thing. Internet warriors who think they're clever threatening from behind a keyboard.
I wonder how often they actually receive threats. I expect in this day and age its quite large, Corbyn said he'd received some too.
Another from South Shields has been charged with sending death threats to Labour MP Luciana Berger, Liverpool Wavertree MP who received a number of emails on Friday, with one message allegedly saying "she is going to get it like Jo Cox did".
Jesus that's appalling.
It must be coincidence all these people who have spoken out against Corbyn are getting death / rape threats against them and their children I suppose... a new kind of politics indeed
John Harris is on it once again:
There's no need to try and point score over the issue...all politicians, on all sides of the spectrum, receive threats. The ones against Corbyn's opponents are horrendous, and those participating in such threats should be punished for saying them, but this is hardly some sort of exclusive phenomenon that's been created by Corbyn supporters, and to make it look as if it is would be dishonest and biased.
Agree. Also it's already been said on here that one of the threat mentioned Jo Cox who was killed by neo nazi far right christian, simply put we don't know who is behide these's threats or their political stance.
Thats pretty pathetic point scoring but its a line ive heard over and over in sure you had a good chuckle as your wrote it. I guess it helps to form a narrative that Corbyn is linked indirectly to these attacks though so it must be okay.
Yep, obviously far-right types are typically associated with violence when it comes to politics (and with good reason), but in the social media age it's undoubtedly much, much easier for people across the political spectrum to threaten people based on their politics when many of them are keyboard warriors who just want to make their opponents feel unsafe and threatened. Happened a lot during the Scottish referendum - even non-political figures Andy Murray and JK Rowling, both with opposing views, received a number of awful threats for airing their views. And that referendum was largely a successful one as far as being open and democratic went.
Yeah, it's quite clearly motivated by a desire to smear Corbyn himself as opposed to any actual outrage. As far as I know, Corbyn himself has condemned such attacks, and while it's clearly a problem with many of his zealous, overbearing supporters, it's far from being exclusive to his type of politics.
Oh I'm not saying that the threats would only be from the far right because as you said social media gives anyone a chance to harass or scare anyone else(I mean people get death threats because a video game get's delayed, christ knows how people will reaction when it's actual politics).
This sort of behaviour in politics is neither new nor uniquely applicable to any particular political faction.
The two searches below only return results from before September last year.
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It's being weaponised against Corbyn and even worse the Labour party membership and while I condemn any abuse I also think a number of people are being disengenuous. I also think a number of Labour MPs need to consider their own use of language, as they are authority figures and their actions will negatively influence the actions of others, especially younger people.
The two searches below only return results from before September last year.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=constituency+office+vandalised&num=50&espv=2&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:,cd_max:01/09/2015&tbm=
https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=50&espv=2&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:01/09/2015&q=mp+death+threat&oq=mp+death+threat&gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30l2.35700.37500.0.37597.17.13.1.0.0.0.132.994.11j2.13.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..3.14.998...0j35i39j0i67j0i131j0i20j0i10.jeilRD8dGmI
It's being weaponised against Corbyn and even worse the Labour party membership and while I condemn any abuse I also think a number of people are being disengenuous. I also think a number of Labour MPs need to consider their own use of language, as they are authority figures and their actions will negatively influence the actions of others, especially younger people.
Do we know who Corbyn supporters are ?
John might have a point about the state of the Labour Party but - ''the increasing dominance of a metropolitan hardcore'' or ''It is far too macho'' I mean last time I checked(Looked on the telly and online) at a Corbyn rally(The 5 to 10 thousand people on the protest rally at Westminster)there seem to be a huge range of people. From the SWP, Train drivers, The Fire brigade union, oddly enough Lily Allen was there. There is a whole range of people who support Corbyn and more importantly a Labour Party with him as leader(It's been mentioned on here by posters saying they know people who weren't involved in politics before and have now joined the Labour Party ).
All this feels very familiar to the stuff that was thrown the Sanders in the US i.e. Bernie Bros(Which turned out to be false).
Corbyn had the highest proportion of female voters out of any of the leadership candidates for a start.
The article Ubik linked is incredibly flawed as it makes no effort to prove its base assumptions.
The metropolitan base of the membership is fairly well established at this point, about 75% is ABC1 and a very large chunk is within London. "Macho" I think is being used to describe aggression more than anything. The John McDonnell thing is a case in point, I've no doubt that Corbyn is displeased with that kind of behaviour but McDonnell's made a career out of it.
I'd recommend John Harris' columns generally, he's been taking the time to speak with working class people that feel distanced from Labour for a while now and is fairly scathing of Labour pre-Corbyn as well.
Out of interest have you a link for that.
Cheers, I really should keep a eye out for his columns(I watched a few of his videos during the run to EU referendum and it was interesting and good insight into it)
Spoke to some very left wing people today, who said they would love to support Corbyn if he was remotely capable of getting his message across, or exercising leadership, but as it is they've bogged off to the Greens.