Javier 'Chicharito' Hernandez | West Ham player (there's an open thread in football forum)

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Chekhov said:
It's a great testament to Cheech's work ethic and production on the pitch that he's so well regarded by most United and Real followers, perhaps the two most spoiled and hard to please fan bases on the planet, if we can be quite honest.
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Yeah, I think he gets underrated for being a low profile player compared to strikers like Benzema and the likes, despite always delivering and scoring regularly and important goals as well. In Real Madrid he scored one wonder goal on one of his first games but hardly featured until Benzema was injured and that's when people started to notice his worth, specially in that UCL game against Atlético where he was very involved in the attack and participating in a lot of chances where he had the right attitude and kept on trying over and over until he scored.

I wanted him to stay to provide competition to Benzema as Higuaín once did, in fact I think of Chicharito as a similar player like Higuaín but I guess people rate Higuaín a lot more because he's Argentinian or something but to me they're both as good. Now this season it started to happened something similar with Morata coming from the bench scoring some importnat goals only to be benched the next game in favor of Benzema. So I think Chicharito can do the job for a club like Manchester United or Real Madrid, where they play a lot of games and need a reliable back up that can compete for the starter spot with strikers of a higher profile. I think a big club needs this type of player to give some balance to the squad.
 
MadMike said:
He was never good enough to be a starter here in the place. I don't see why we should bring him back now.

If the talk is about bringing a mature striker to be an option for us, then I'd like that guy to be Dries Mertens. He's been sensational for Napoli at a much higher level than Chicharito. And because he's got a year left in his contract he'd be cheaper too.
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Because of his history with us, His presence , movement and luck in the box. He so reminds me of solskjaer.
 
yes i think mourinho should be brave to bring back some of the players so long as they are not expensive.

chicarito /nani/rafael comes to mind
 
Gerardo Islas said:
It seems you don't read the Madrid forums. They cried for Chichas departure because they rate him above Benzema. They also say that the problem with Hernandez was because Florentino wants the BBC to play every game
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I don't. But as much as I respect their right to an opinion, the sane, objective consensus is and always will be that Benzema is a better forward than Hernandez.
 
Wonderful player. Severely underrated, really thought he might fade away at Leverkusen but its been anything but.
 
His off the ball movement was excellent, ok sometimes his runs are offside but atleast he makes those run which is what we are lacking.

Genuinely think Chicha would get 30 goals a season all comps if played as a starter considering how many chances we create and how bad our finishing is.

Chicharito
Martial Griezmann Mkhitaryan
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Jose's comments were just a mischevious dig at LvG, I don't see him coming back here to reeturn to the bench and he's not good enough to be a starter.
 
If we were in for him I could see him wanting to come back. He knows the fans loved him, and we did have better options at the time where we dont now, so would probably play more games now than he did before
 
Devil may care said:
Jose's comments were just a mischevious dig at LvG, I don't see him coming back here to reeturn to the bench and he's not good enough to be a starter.
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Really? Our attack is quite static becuase of no movement off the ball and that our tall lovely sweed keep dropping deep, a striker like Chicha would be ideal. If Ibra does stay which I think he will, I'd start One or the other and then for the second half, sub whichever striker is left out on to change it up.
 
I kind of wish Mourinho hadn't said that. Not only does it dent the confidence of the current strikers but it also brings up that annoying argument in that he should never have been sold in the first place. van Gaal made the correct decision in selling him, he lost his way here. In all honesty I didn't think he was that great anyway.
 
Cheekiey said:
Really? Our attack is quite static becuase of no movement off the ball and that our tall lovely sweed keep dropping deep, a striker like Chicha would be ideal. If Ibra does stay which I think he will, I'd start One or the other and then for the second half, sub whichever striker is left out on to change it up.
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His movement is good but his game is very limited, and I don't see us putting up a serious PL challenge with a 36 year old and a mid table striker as our two options, he's at the right level now with Leverkusen.
 
charlenefan said:
Hernandez misses just as many sitters as Zlatan does
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Hernandez would probably make those dash to the far or near posts which Zlatan doesn't do much. That's usually Chicharito's bread and butter goals.
The other thing I would like to point out is that we don't have a chemistry with our players. When Fergie was around, our midfield was mediocre with Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher, Carrick, Cleverly, Anderson in comparison with the other big 4 teams and we still managed to dominate because the chemistry. Most of the players in our current team are very individualistic and we lack the belief that we are champions and can overcome any team.
 
I wouldn't be against it but he would need to accept a role as squad player and not as guaranteed starter for that his quality just is not good enough.

It also depends how expensive he will be. I would happily see us pay something around 20m but much more than that would be crazy because he is also already 29 and won't be getting any younger. Hernandez is a player that thrives on his speed, once that aspect in his game starts to disappear he will become a very obsolete player, it is a thing we need to think about when buying a player nearing 30.
 
If people think Hernandez is the answer to our problems then we've sank even lower than I thought. He was terrible for us by the end of his time here, especially when starting games. He peaked 6 years ago for us.
 
R'hllor said:
Why you telling me that,its not me who is picking Fellaini to be part of midfield duo and besides,JM doesnt pick Fellaini to score goals,more like defensive side. We all know that in last 15 min. he will always pick afroman from the bench
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When we are chasing a goal, he doesn't pick Fellaini for defensive duties.

That's what I miss about the Fergie days, where we would be patient in the opposition half even in extra time, looking for the opening. Instead, now we are lumping it forwards hoping for the best.
 
The red panther said:
I wouldn't be against it but he would need to accept a role as squad player and not as guaranteed starter for that his quality just is not good enough.

It also depends how expensive he will be. I would happily see us pay something around 20m but much more than that would be crazy because he is also already 29 and won't be getting any younger. Hernandez is a player that thrives on his speed, once that aspect in his game starts to disappear he will become a very obsolete player, it is a thing we need to think about when buying a player nearing 30.
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No more than defoe does he rely on speed and defoe is 35 and still as sharp as ever.People confuse sharpness with speed ..Speed of mind is what he has that's why he is always in the right place at the right time.

As for ppl saying he was terrible at the end of his time .. That was all down to how he was treated first by Moyes then Van Gaal ..no player is going to be a success when they are treated like that .. The difference now its Mourinho wants him the others didn't
 
I don't think there's any prospect of Chicharito returning to the team. He was a fan favourite, and certainly made a contribution. That said, he was a limited player and never good enough to be a consistent starter, in my opinion. He was a great impact sub and squad player, which is the best he could hope for if he returned. I don't think he was terribly happy with that role previously, and don't see why that would change. It's a romantic notion but, quite frankly, I would hope that we have our sights set higher.

I interpret Jose's comments as another less than veiled indication that he's not happy with the quality and balance of the squad. He will expect Woodward to open the chequebook again this summer and bring in some higher caliber players (and ones in the mould that Jose typically covets). I also see the comments as Jose having a bit of a dig at his predecessors, including the player personnel decisions they made and the squad he was left with.
 
lsd said:
As for ppl saying he was terrible at the end of his time .. That was all down to how he was treated first by Moyes then Van Gaal ..no player is going to be a success when they are treated like that .. The difference now its Mourinho wants him the others didn't
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Mourinho would have done the same thing, like he did with Depay and Schneiderlin. Van Gaal explained the situation to him honestly, and after continuing to look off form in the preseason he didn't really have much leverage. We all know he could still score goals, he was still being picked regularly for his NT, but he wasn't good or consistent enough to be relied on as a starter. At the end of the day he chose to seek new pastures and fair play to him.
 
Jaybomb said:
Hernandez left cause Van Gaal told him he had a 1% chance of playing over Rooney! NOT because he was used as a super sub

Sorry but this has to be said. Its amazing how many people get the story wrong. Hernandez was clearly told he wasn't wanted. So he did the honorable thing and left.
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Playing in general. This (funnily enough) isn't about Rooney at all, he just isn't the type of striker that LVG wanted (don't move, have few touches, occupy CB's between the width of the goals). But on the whole, you are correct. Some strange posts in this thread getting it completely wrong, I guess not everybody knows the whole story.
 
lsd said:
As for ppl saying he was terrible at the end of his time .. That was all down to how he was treated first by Moyes then Van Gaal ..no player is going to be a success when they are treated like that .. The difference now its Mourinho wants him the others didn't
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Mourinho is no different from Moyes and Van Gaal when it comes to giving players a chance. Let me highlight the people that Mourinho has gotten rid off that have gone to disprove him
Lukaku (He's been scoring 15-20 goals for the past couple seasons and he's only 23)
De bruyne (Along with Aguero and Silva, he's one of City's best players and he's shown what he's capable of)
Schweinsteger (Bastian didn't even play bad this season, he just wasn't given the opportunity especially since he and Carrick could have been rotated in a three man midfield with Pogba and Herrera)
Mata (He's obviously was sold to us back then but he was an important cog in the Chelsea wheel back then)

Anyway the point I'm trying to make is that Van Gaal told Chicharito how it was. He didn't humiliate Chicharito by not playing him at all or freezing him out like what Mourinho did with Bastian.

So for Mourinho to come out and say that I wouldn't have sold Chicharito, Welbeck and Angel Di Maria is absolute horsecrap.

Chicharito wasn't scoring goals and we obviously had Van Persie and Rooney and back then we played with a single striker, it made no sense to have so many strikers to warm up the bench. However, I felt that Chicharito shouldn't have been sold.

Welbeck was a hit and miss player. He was never consistent and couldn't be dependent upon to produce 20 goals a season. I mean it was a great piece of business to sell him to Arsenal for 15M. He's been out injured for Arsenal majority of the time. So I think he wasn't good enough.

Di Maria never wanted to be at United. He never wanted to leave Madrid. He was happy there but Perez forced him out and then his next best option was to go to Paris and play there but due to the FFP, Paris couldn't buy him that year. So the next possible option was United since we were desperate to land a marquee signing to appease the fans. We spent so much money on him only for him to leave for PSG the following summer. Let me repeat he never wanted to be a United player and not even Mourinho could have done anything about it when someone's heart is set on a different club.

Hence, I would like to say that Mourinho isn't smarter than Van Gaal and Moyes when it comes to making decision.

His treatment of some of the younger players is absolutely dreadful and I don't support it. If he rubs more players the wrong way, he's in danger of losing the dressing room. The only reason he's got everyone's backing because Zlatan and Pogba who've got a major influence in the dressing room support him. Fergie was the best when it came to man management and that's what's been our biggest loss since SAF left.
 
Leftback99 said:
If people think Hernandez is the answer to our problems then we've sank even lower than I thought. He was terrible for us by the end of his time here, especially when starting games. He peaked 6 years ago for us.
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This. It's not been all rosy for him in Germany either. This would be such a ridiculous signing and we'd actually be moving backwards if it went ahead just through the sheer fact that Rashford would get even less time to hone his game up front.
 
Devil may care said:
His movement is good but his game is very limited, and I don't see us putting up a serious PL challenge with a 36 year old and a mid table striker as our two options, he's at the right level now with Leverkusen.
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With Griezmann or Mkhitaryan behind he could be a real threat
 
Cheekiey said:
With Griezmann or Mkhitaryan behind he could be a real threat
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He isn't good enough, he wasn't good enough 5 years ago to be our main #9, Fergie saw this despite the hot run he had in the second half of his first season, that's why he bought RvP. He also isn't a good fit with Griezmann as his link up play is poor and Griezmann plays off the #9's work.
 
Devil may care said:
He isn't good enough, he wasn't good enough 5 years ago to be our main #9, Fergie saw this despite the hot run he had in the second half of his first season, that's why he bought RvP. He also isn't a good fit with Griezmann as his link up play is poor and Griezmann plays off the #9's work.
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So ideally who would you say would make a good fit for Griezmann
 
I think successful (i.e PL winning) sides can carry players who are specialists in certain areas as long as the rest of the team suits their game. As such, I think Chicharito could be the main striker in a side that does everything else bar score goals, which is what we sort of are atm.

Obviously there are other strikers who would improve us even more though. I just think it's wrong to say a 20 goal a season striker (which Hernandez can clearly be) could never, under any circumstances, be good enough for that level. He obviously has great talent, it's just focused in a particularly one dimensional way.
 
In his prime was never good enough to be a starter for us. Suddenly he's now become a better player and would score 30 a season for us? Go figure ...
 
Red_toad said:
In his prime was never good enough to be a starter for us. Suddenly he's now become a better player and would score 30 a season for us? Go figure ...
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Are people saying he'd score 30 a season for us? Mourinho said he'd score 20 a season, which I think he did at least once under SAF?
 
Raoul said:
It was so nice of LvG to sell Hernandez, RvP, Nani, and Di Maria within 12 months. Really helpful.
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To be fair RVP was really declining and Di Maria was sulking, Im still seriously annoyed about him selling Nani and Hernandez though.
 
All of those saying "he's not good enough to be a starter" are completely missing the point. Even during his best seasons at United under Fergie you would rarely put Hernandez in those best 11 formations that everyone here seems to love. But he still started plenty of games and regularly made a big impact off the bench.

In that goals compilation it is amazing how often his goals were either the opener or a key goal in a comeback. He gets in the right position to score the simple goal and that is exactly what this team is missing. How often do crosses go across the 6 yard box with all of the forwards stood on the edge of the box waiting for a cutback? Or the most frustrating of all when a United corner drops middle of the goal 10 yards out and there isn't a single United player attacking it.

The current team doesn't have anyone you would call a goal poacher (I include Zlatan in that). For squad balance you need one. Of course it's great if that player is world class like Lewandowski who can do plenty more besides but if you don't have one of those, a Chicharito is a crucial part of the squad.

One of Fergie's greatest strengths was having 16-18 players who all thought of themselves as first team players. When that was lost at United, Chicharito's confidence dropped. In English football, if you want to compete for multiple trophies over many seasons you need to have that.
 
The amount of games he would have saved this year coming off the bench for the last 20 minutes.

The amount of balls smashed across this box this year, while the likes of Ibra, Rashford etc stood on the edge just watching.

He would have scored around 15 goals for me and in turn the 10 draws would have been 5 wins imo.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
To be fair RVP was really declining and Di Maria was sulking, Im still seriously annoyed about him selling Nani and Hernandez though.
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Why do you think Di Maria was sulking? He's already mentioned a couple of times that he did not believe in LVG. Probably the same with RVP. And with Hernandez and Nani. Notice how most of them were all creative, high risk high reward players which LVG hated.
 
We shouldn't have sold him and when we did we sold him too cheaply. The times we cross it in and no one moves as the ball goes past our opponents 6 yard line is too many. Someone like Hernandez is always moving and I don't think would have got 20 - but I'm pretty certain we're be in a much better position. I'd also bring the Da Silvas back on a pay as you play as I think they had a lot going for them baring the injuries. Nani was a poor sale also.
 
Jaybomb said:
I started following United in 2002. My greatest ever list is a lot different to my own personal favourites list. My favourites list would include the likes of Chicharito, Falcao and Mata. Although I know they would be a bit off the mark on a greatest ever list.
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This is awesome that you can have that. I've been finding it hard to connect to any of our recent years' players.
 
Freak said:
Why do you think Di Maria was sulking? He's already mentioned a couple of times that he did not believe in LVG. Probably the same with RVP. And with Hernandez and Nani. Notice how most of them were all creative, high risk high reward players which LVG hated.
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Di Maria was definitely sulking tbh I don't think he ever wanted to join us in the first place he was always set on moving to PSG he just got forced out of Madrid too early it'd be cool to watch him now though he'd be much better under mourinho.
 
You can have selective memory in football. I loved this lad but wasn't surprised he was sold as he was absolutely shocking at the end. Nani the same, Welbeck also. These players needed to leave and in fairness to them in general, was absolutely the right decision.
 
I doubt he would make that much difference, even when Mourinho brings Rashford as a sub he puts him left wide and not alongside Ibrahimovic up top.
 
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