Javier 'Chicharito' Hernandez | West Ham player (there's an open thread in football forum)

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One of the reasons I hate lvg

How many times and points have we lost this season where you know chicha would've popped up with a goal to win it. BS decision to sell him
 
DatGuyRich said:
If we go into next season with Zlatan and Chicharito as our two strikers then we are destined for failure.

I don't want to sign him but if it meant getting Griezmann or any other top top striker then I guess its not too bad. Hernandez wouldn't start for any of the top 6.
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Rubbish.

Some Liverpool fans were dreaming about signing him last January. Arsenal fans wanted him. Tottenham fans wanted him. He was linked to Chelsea a few times.

Hernandez was almost certainly start for Arsenal and Liverpool. They are crying out for a player like him.

I never understood this idea that he was "not good enough for us"... He scored 59 goals in 80-odd starts.

In my book, strikers score goals and he was a striker that scored goals. I remember everyone praising Welbeck at the time but the fact is, he was a rubbish striker. He couldn't score like Javier. He lacked the killer instinct and movement. People say he offers nothing but that's bullshit. His movement and pressing along with his linkup play with the likes of Rooney and Mata was criminally underrated. He is a victim of his own success in a lot of ways. Because he is so good at one particular thing, nobody notices the rest of his attributes.

The 10/11 season where he started regularly, we won the league and reached the Champions League final. The next season, we played Welbeck over him and we won nothing. Then we bought RVP and used Hernandez more again and won the league again. Then Moyes happened and then LVG sold him for missing a penalty...
 
The delusion in here is quite astonishing. He loved the club, but i dont think that much that he would be happy to sit on our bench again. Maybe in 5 years when he is finished and sees what sort of wages we offer to squas players nowadays
 
Nah, reckon he'd struggle personally, and if people are frustrated with Zlatan's play outside of his goal scoring, then Hernandez would soon be testing the patience.

I suppose if Zlatan left, Rashford was loaned, and we bought ourselves an elite striker, then there could be some mileage in it, but something tells me it's a bad idea to go back.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Nah, reckon he'd struggle personally, and if people are frustrated with Zlatan's play outside of his goal scoring, then Hernandez would soon be testing the patience.
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I'm frustrated with Zlatans regular inability to finish great chances; his overall play is good. Hernandez is the opposite of Zlatan in pretty much every sense.

With Zlatan and Hernandez we'd have a striker who can hold up the ball, can bring others into play and who bullies defenders; but who's also slow, lazy and has a poor strike rate. We'd also have a striker who has a great strike rate, plays on the shoulder, makes intelligent runs and has a habit of being in the right place at the right time; but who struggles with his build up and link play.

Personally I'd say it would be great to have both options.
 
I don't genuinely think Mourinho will go for Chicarito.

If he was, would he be saying "he'd have scored 20 goals" and be adding value to his name? And letting Leverkusen know how good he thinks he is..

I'd imagine he'll want a similar type of player. A "killer" goalscorer. Belotti would be my guess.
 
finneh said:
I'm frustrated with Zlatans regular inability to finish great chances; his overall play is good. Hernandez is the opposite of Zlatan in pretty much every sense.

With Zlatan and Hernandez we'd have a striker who can hold up the ball, can bring others into play and who bullies defenders; but who's also slow, lazy and has a poor strike rate. We'd also have a striker who has a great strike rate, plays on the shoulder, makes intelligent runs and has a habit of being in the right place at the right time; but who struggles with his build up and link play.

Personally I'd say it would be great to have both options.
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I would agree that having both options would have been really good for this season, with Rashford and Martial struggling, and Rooney falling off a cliff, Hernandez would have been a really good option to help take the load off Zlatan, but the thought of going into next season with Zlatan and Hernandez leading the line really doesn't fill me with joy, it would be a step back imo.

Like I say if Zlatan goes, we buy a top striker, and Rashford is loaned then it could be ok, but nothing more than that for me.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I would agree that having both options would have been really good for this season, with Rashford and Martial struggling, and Rooney falling off a cliff, Hernandez would have been a really good option to help take the load off Zlatan, but the thought of going into next season with Zlatan and Hernandez leading the line really doesn't fill me with joy, it would be a step back imo.

Like I say if Zlatan goes, we buy a top striker, and Rashford is loaned then it could be ok, but nothing more than that for me.
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Oh I agree and I'm not advocating only signing Hernandez. If he were to be signed it would be in addition to someone like Griezmann.
 
Should never had left in first place, bring him back.
 
Mani said:
Should never had left in first place, bring him back.
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He cannot be our main striker though. He is great at getting the scrappy goals, can be paired with another striker as his game is lacking in other departments. I agree we should not have sold him in good old hindsight, but don't think he was happy not starting all the time.
 
second time he's name dropped cheech lately, it is a bit odd i suppose - is he a mendes client by any chance?
every united fan loves the little pea but i seriously doubt he'd be good enough to play here now, i also doubt he'd want to be a bench player again anyway.
stranger things have happened though i suppose
 
People think he would turn some draws into wins if he was still here :lol:. Hating LvG for selling him,so he could be a starter somewhere else,what he wanted on the place. He would be more unhappy now then ever, watching from the bench Ibra playing every single game 90 min every single time. This place is just...crying for him not being here or for us to take him back,home how you say...next season he misses two chances,those same would call him names in match day thread.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
He cannot be our main striker though. He is great at getting the scrappy goals, can be paired with another striker as his game is lacking in other departments. I agree we should not have sold him in good old hindsight, but don't think he was happy not starting all the time.
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No way we should start him as our main striker,good no. of sub appearance would be enough or we can still start him depends on the opponent,but first of all he should be interested enough to get back accept the role we offer.Also I don't think playing him with other striker is right idea instead playing with proper suppliers from behind(Miki / Mata) and from either wing will bring best from him, he would be ideal for team that likes to sit back where he can find pocket of space for those small tap in's.He know where he needs to cut in to get those goals from,its like right man at right time.
 
Yep it was Deadly Dave who totally butchered his confidence. Van Gaal just came in and decided that anyone who couldn't hold onto possession the way he wanted had to pack up and leave and we had a situation where some far superior players like Zaha, Evans, Chicharito, were shipped out to be replaced by some players who were not as good but perhaps who had a better first touch like Blind, Memphis, Falcao.
 
If you listened to José's comments , & they caused you to blame lvg for our pish poor goals tally , José's comments have worked.
 
TheSweeper said:
Yet you didnt think much. Whether LVG is gone or not - have you noticed that the whole team even with new recruits can hold possession against even our rivals? Once you learn how to keep the ball within a team; playing long ball tactics or playing strikers like hernandez becomes a conflict of ideas and not getting the best out of a team that has a significant advantage over everybody else - having more of the ball.

If Ibrahimovic wasnt here - I would be all up for Hernandez; but pretending to think that Hernandez offers something different to Ibrahimovic is just utter nonsense.

Jose is showing signs of his inability to adapt to a team geared to play in a fluent way and would rather play a game of tennis on the football pitch when the Premiere league has moved on so far ahead of that type of tactic. He needs to understand the advantages he has of managing the current squad and recognize its weaknesses. To think that Hernandez is some sort of cure for a weakness when we already have a Focal target man is bizzare.

We are now a team that opposition from top to bottom respect as a group of players that can out outmaneuver the ball by keeping possession & they are likewise geared by more players as defenders. The last thing that will work is more target men and poachers.
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Against WBA there were at least 2-3 crosses that would've been converted by Chicharito, they weren't as neither Rashford nor Martial possess the sort of ability Chicharito has.
 
R'hllor said:
People think he would turn some draws into wins if he was still here :lol:. Hating LvG for selling him,so he could be a starter somewhere else,what he wanted on the place. He would be more unhappy now then ever, watching from the bench Ibra playing every single game 90 min every single time. This place is just...crying for him not being here or for us to take him back,home how you say...next season he misses two chances,those same would call him names in match day thread.
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Why wouldn't he have turned those draws into wins? At least the he was making the runs that would get him on the end of those crosses. This is what we are sorely missing. Ibra doesn't really make that type of movement, whilst Martial and Rashford certainly are not doing it at the moment.

We need a striker with that ability to make those near post runs and to anticipate rebounds. Mourinho summed him up perfectly. It was a mistake for Van Gaal to sell him. Even if he didn't directly replace Ibra as a sub, he'd have replaced an attacker and played in his usual role. It's much better than using Fellaini up front with Ibra.
 
Hmm no, we need better than him if we have aspirations of actually winning the league and CL.
 
Faith in his squad there from José.

Strange to talk about Hernandez like an ex that you prefer to your current.

Its kind of "if my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle" scenario.
 
I was pleased for him when he went because he seemed to want football we couldn't (and still can't) give him.

I'd have him back with open arms, but I can't see how the situation has changed for him here.
 
Come on, he's 29 years old. I'm sure we can find another younger option if that is what Jose thinks he needs. LVG did a big clear out which I remember most fans being pleased with - he may have got some personnel wrong - but it was the right thing to do. Jose wants to get us these 'older' type players, which will present a problem for the next manager after him who will have to do another clear out - AGAIN. That's just wasting money.

Plus Javier wanted to be the 'main man' - which he's not going to get here. So what's the point of all this? Let's not be short sighted.

Personally, I think Jose is doing this to deflect from his recent awful management. He's also been constantly aiming a subtle dig at LVG and blaming him for our present shortcomings. What other manager constantly blames their predecessor? Especially someone who was his friend. It's absolutely distateful.

Instead of trying to manipulate fans with these comments, he'd be better off admitting that he's not providing the best platform for our attacking players, and finding a way to rectify that.
 
During Fergie's time we were so spoilt for choice, all we remember is that Hernandez was the sub and the last choice at that time and we conclude that we don't need a player like him now. He rarely missed sitters and was very dependable. I reckon he would easily have put in at least 5 of the chances we have missed this season.

After seeing our attack labour endlessly to create chances and then miss the only opportunities they create (sometimes hilariously), I will take him back in a heartbeat.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I don't genuinely think Mourinho will go for Chicarito.

If he was, would he be saying "he'd have scored 20 goals" and be adding value to his name? And letting Leverkusen know how good he thinks he is..

I'd imagine he'll want a similar type of player. A "killer" goalscorer. Belotti would be my guess.
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Well, Belotti is more of a 'Vieri-type'. Gabbiadini would be a closer one to compare with the 'Inzaghi-type' (Chicharito).
 
Jazz said:
Come on, he's 29 years old. I'm sure we can find another younger option if that is what Jose thinks he needs. LVG did a big clear out which I remember most fans being pleased with - he may have got some personnel wrong - but it was the right thing to do. Jose wants to get us these 'older' type players, which will present a problem for the next manager after him who will have to do another clear out - AGAIN. That's just wasting money.

Plus Javier wanted to be the 'main man' - which he's not going to get here. So what's the point of all this? Let's not be short sighted.

Personally, I think Jose is doing this to deflect from his recent awful management. He's also been constantly aiming a subtle dig at LVG and blaming him for our present shortcomings. What other manager constantly blames their predecessor? Especially someone who was his friend. It's absolutely distateful.

Instead of trying to manipulate fans with these comments, he'd be better off admitting that he's not providing the best platform for our attacking players, and finding a way to rectify that.
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Did he really? Plus, is he settled in Germany? Does he like it there? Since he liked this club it's not that unthinkable that he'd want to return. It's not like it's the same manager...
 
If we end up buying him back for 40 million after selling him for peanuts i swear :lol:
 
RedMaestro said:
Did he really? Plus, is he settled in Germany? Does he like it there? Since he liked this club it's not that unthinkable that he'd want to return. It's not like it's the same manager...
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'Main man' might not be the right description, but he definitely wanted to be a starter - which he has in Germany. I haven't a clue if he's settled there or not, but that's not our problem. He's in the past and we should not go back. We need to move on.
I'm sure there are other younger players out there who can offer what he can plus more - that's what we should aim for as a club. It's folly to bring back one of the old boys and then struggle to off load them again - that's my main issue with this. It's a waste of money.
 
Nostalgia...



Just comes alive in the box.

So many crucial goals for us, just become Mexico's all time top scorer, sorted his life out after the relationship breakdown, yet still many caftards don't want him? Don't get it.
 
#07 said:
Just comes alive in the box.

So many crucial goals for us, just become Mexico's all time top scorer, sorted his life out after the relationship breakdown, yet still many caftards don't want him? Don't get it.
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Love him to bits, what a surgical finisher. His movement and pace really puts into contrast the lack of movement from Zlatan this season. Have no idea how nobody wouldn't want him back. Don't understand it either.
 
Great squad player but he was getting frustrated at the lack of game time and he will never be good enough to start regularly at the top level. Also remember him having a bad last season under Moyes despite being given a decent amount of game time. Went through a terrible spell missing loads of chances, so no guarantee he would start banging them in for this team.
 
Ashley R1+O said:
Love him to bits, what a surgical finisher. His movement and pace really puts into contrast the lack of movement from Zlatan this season. Have no idea how nobody wouldn't want him back. Don't understand it either.
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Mate, with the repeated one on ones and free headers we miss, its hard to see why we wouldn't want him back.

People act like we need Luiz Ronaldo. We are missing easy chances. If we had Jermain Defoe we'd be at least 10 points better off! Mourinho's right. Chico in this team would have around 20 goals, easy.
 
Jose always loved Hernandez, he tried to sign him at Chelsea a few times.

We won't buy him back now though unless Leverkusen let him go for a cheap fee. It'll be somebody like him, but not him IMO.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Jose always loved Hernandez, he tried to sign him at Chelsea a few times.

We won't buy him back now though unless Leverkusen let him go for a cheap fee. It'll be somebody like him, but not him IMO.
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Last year of Chico's contract at Leverkusen apparently. We could get him back for about the same as we sold him for (which was ridiculously cheap!)
 
Loved Hernandez, I've never come close to understanding the decision to let him go. He may have wanted some more game time but LvG effectively pushed him out by saying he wasn't wanted.

Our fans would still rather have a silky dribbler with inconsistent end product than someone who consistently scores the simple goals.
 
Smores said:
Loved Hernandez, I've never come close to understanding the decision to let him go. He may have wanted some more game time but LvG effectively pushed him out by saying he wasn't wanted.

Our fans would still rather have a silky dribbler with inconsistent end product than someone who consistently scores the simple goals.
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The way LVG behaved towards him was pretty shameful. I remember in the SAF days, Hernandez used to practically dance on to the pitch and score a couple for fun. Under LVG, there was fear etched onto his face as he walked on. That look from LVG to Giggs when he missed that penalty was just embarrassing.
 
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