Javier 'Chicharito' Hernandez | West Ham player (there's an open thread in football forum)

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Livvie said:
He was better than some of the starters we've got now - and was our leading goalscorer in his first season, so how do you reach that conclusion anyway. When he played regularly, he delivered, but he's now judged on inconsistency which was down to playing inconsistently. He was, and is, a goalscorer, as he proved with B.L.
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"He was better than some of the starters we've got now". The only starter we have in the striker position is Ibrahimovic, he's played 90" in 26 of our 29 league games. Hernandez is not better than Ibrahimovic. As for our other forwards, their positions have nothing to do with Hernandez. The fact that Martial or Mkhi have underperformed doesn't mean Hernandez would step in their positions as LW or #10/RW respectively. He can't play in those areas, no way.

He had 2 good seasons in 6 years us. And at that time the competition within EPL was not as high as it is now and we were managed by SAF. His 13/14 season (4 goals in 24 league apps) was disastrous, then he got little game time under LVG and he left to play for Real where he also failed to deliver (23apps, 7 goals) . So he eventually got shipped out to Bundesliga where he found his level at Leverkusen. Even there after a good first season he's now struggling in his 2nd (12goals in 32apps in all comps).

He was a likeable character which induces romantic views form the fans, but he's failed to consistently deliver at the top level here and at RM. Most coaches viewed him as a squad option. He's not the answer if we want to climb up the league table. He's not Costa, Sanchez, Aguero, Ibra level. Plus why do people think he'd be happy to be a squad player?
 
walkinhop said:
This is awesome that you can have that. I've been finding it hard to connect to any of our recent years' players.
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There hasn't been many. Last season was a hard one for me. Selling Hernandez, RVP, Nani and Rafael who I all liked... I had barely any favourites in the squad save for De Gea and Mata really. This year, bringing in Pogba and Zlatan changed that massively. I actually look forward to our games again now.
 
sullydnl said:
Are people saying he'd score 30 a season for us? Mourinho said he'd score 20 a season, which I think he did at least once under SAF?
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Cheekiey said:
His off the ball movement was excellent, ok sometimes his runs are offside but atleast he makes those run which is what we are lacking.

Geenuinely think Chicha would get 30 goals a season all comps if played as a starter considering how many chances we create and how bad our finishing is.

Chicharito
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sullydnl said:
Are people saying he'd score 30 a season for us? Mourinho said he'd score 20 a season, which I think he did at least once under SAF?
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Indeed they are!
 
pascell said:
LAFC?
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A new MLS club that's due to start playing next season--or 2018, I forget.

Anyway, Chico isn't joining them. No matter how much money they throw at him. Not yet anyway.

MLS is a retirement league, and by all accounts he still very much wants to play in Europe for a few more seasons.

That last big payday can wait.
 
Chekhov said:
A new MLS club that's due to start playing next season--or 2018, I forget.

Anyway, Chico isn't joining them. No matter how much money they throw at him. Not yet anyway.

MLS is a retirement league, and by all accounts he still very much wants to play in Europe for a few more seasons.

That last big payday can wait.
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I wouldn't discount that move. LA has a huge Mexican population so he would feel right at home.

I do hope he returns to his real European home this summer. He's one of my all time favorite United players.
 
Everton would do well to get him as Lukakus replacement. Though I think I read somewhere that he wouldn't play for another PL club
 
Utd7 said:
I wouldn't discount that move. LA has a huge Mexican population so he would feel right at home.

I do hope he returns to his real European home this summer. He's one of my all time favorite United players.
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I wouldn't discount it either. But I just don't see it happening yet.
 
MadMike said:
His 13/14 season (4 goals in 24 league apps) was disastrous
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It wasn't a great season, or even a good one but you do a disservice to the debate by judging him on goals/app. He started 6 of those 24 games and, according to whoscored, only played a total of 840 minutes in the league. I'll repeat, not a good season but the reduction in playing time added to the turmoil of the Moyes reign provides much needed context to a disappointing return.

MadMike said:
he left to play for Real where he also failed to deliver (23apps, 7 goals)
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Once again using apps won't do justice to any back-up/rotation player. He made 7 starts in the league and managed to come out with (according to whoscored) a goal every 123 minutes. For an on loan back-up striker that is no failure and in fact a better minutes/goal return than Benzema that season.

MadMike said:
He's not Costa, Sanchez, Aguero, Ibra level.
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Fully agreed, not a player to try to build around but a fantastic back-up/rotation option (pretty much what he was at United for most of his stay).

MadMike said:
he's failed to consistently deliver at the top level here and at RM.
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Disagree. He reached double figures (PL only) for United in each of his first three seasons and regularly impacted games off the bench. He also did fine for Real, nothing spectacular but a pretty efficient return from limited playing time. He has also hit double figures in both his Bundesliga seasons, is his nations top goalscorer and has scored at two World Cups, all before the age of 30.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
The amount of games he would have saved this year coming off the bench for the last 20 minutes.

The amount of balls smashed across this box this year, while the likes of Ibra, Rashford etc stood on the edge just watching.

He would have scored around 15 goals for me and in turn the 10 draws would have been 5 wins imo.
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I think this is exactly the point Jose was trying to make. We could have used a player like that in so many matches. Instead we have a rather unbalanced forward line lacking in the quite important skill of poaching important goals. Something that's been a hallmark of our successes in years past. There's a reason why Solskjaer was so revered. And Hernandez was not all that far off in terms of impact.
 
I don't think there would be any point in this. We should look forward, not backward.
 
paulscholes18 said:
Not even close to being good enough, in games you're not dominating he is worse then useless, poor hold up play, average 1st touch, poor mans Inzaghi, 59 in 157 says everything you need to know, and that's for a goal hanger
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Isn't your problem that you don't score in games you dominate?

finneh said:
4th best out of any PL player with 50+ games (Aguero, Henry, RVN, Hernandez, Costa)

One goal every 130 minutes.
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Goals per minute do usually go up when you're regularly coming off the bench. I think Giroud has the highest goal per minute this year now he's coming off the bench.
 
Chekhov said:
One of Hernandez's great accomplishments is turning the Madridistas' opinions about him around during the season he spent on loan there.

When he got there, most of the talk was that he had been signed because Perez didn't want any new striker to truly threaten Benzema's #9 spot. To say that he wasn't taken seriously is to make a huge understatement.

But by April, they were cursing Ancelloti for starting Karim over him in the CL semifinal against Juventus, which Real ended up losing.

It's a great testament to Cheech's work ethic and production on the pitch that he's so well regarded by most United and Real followers, perhaps the two most spoiled and hard to please fan bases on the planet, if we can be quite honest.
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Interesting... didn't follow Real that much, but 'm glad their fans appreciated him.

Hernandez have always been a hardworker and a fighter :devil: traits which SAF always prefer.
 
Always loved Hernandez, and would be quite happy to see him back as a squad option as he can actually score and our lack of goals has been shocking this season. However not sure he would be willing to accept a squad role now though.
 
People seem to forget what he was like just before he left us though. His confidence was off the charts low, and looked a shade of the player he was. Totally not his fault of course, he was just caught in that trap of can't play because he isn't doing it, and can't get form back because he can't play.

If we'd have kept him, he may well still be struggling in our reserves... i love the guy too, but him going for me was the right choice for him.
 
MadMike said:
"He was better than some of the starters we've got now". The only starter we have in the striker position is Ibrahimovic, he's played 90" in 26 of our 29 league games. Hernandez is not better than Ibrahimovic. As for our other forwards, their positions have nothing to do with Hernandez. The fact that Martial or Mkhi have underperformed doesn't mean Hernandez would step in their positions as LW or #10/RW respectively. He can't play in those areas, no way.

He had 2 good seasons in 6 years us. And at that time the competition within EPL was not as high as it is now and we were managed by SAF. His 13/14 season (4 goals in 24 league apps) was disastrous, then he got little game time under LVG and he left to play for Real where he also failed to deliver (23apps, 7 goals) . So he eventually got shipped out to Bundesliga where he found his level at Leverkusen. Even there after a good first season he's now struggling in his 2nd (12goals in 32apps in all comps).

He was a likeable character which induces romantic views form the fans, but he's failed to consistently deliver at the top level here and at RM. Most coaches viewed him as a squad option. He's not the answer if we want to climb up the league table. He's not Costa, Sanchez, Aguero, Ibra level. Plus why do people think he'd be happy to be a squad player?
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It's obvious you didn't follow his RM spell. And frankly it still shocks me how people use rubbish stats to make a point.

Nobody is saying Hernandez is better tha Ibra, Ibra is on a different level, it's just Hernandez is something United has been missing this season badly imo. People here seem to have limited memory since many here say Hernandez left because he wanted to be the main man here. Please get a grip and go read LVG's comment where he basically told Hernandez to feck off. Now, you say he only had 2 "good" seasons out of 6. Let's recap here.

1st season:
20 goals (all comps.) so many crucial goals, equalizers, winners.

2nd season:
12 goals (all comps.) Got a bad injury against Chelsea after being tackled by Cole. Welbeck added to the mix.

3rd season:
18 goals (all comps.) so many crucial goals, equalizers, winners again even while Rooney, RVP & Welbeck were ahead of him as options.

4th season:
9 goals (all comps.) Hardly ever played and who wasn't terrible under Moyes? You can't single him out.

5th season (Loan to RM):
9 goals (all comps.) Started playing till Benzema's injury. He ended up being well liked by the fans and they wanted him to stay. But that was never going to happen with Benzema there and Morata's return.

6th season (Leverkusen):
27 goals (all comps.) Terrible I guess.

So where do you get your 2 "good" out of 6 years with United?
 
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DanBorja said:
It's obvious you didn't follow his RM spell. And frankly it still shocks me how people use rubbish stats to make a point.

Nobody is saying Hernandez is better tha Ibra, Ibra is on a different level, it's just Hernandez is something United has been missing this season badly imo. People here seem to have limited memory since many here say Hernandez left because he wanted to be the main man here. Please get a grip and go read LVG's comment where he basically told Hernandez to feck off. Now, you say he only had 2 "good" seasons out of 6. Let's recap here.

1st season:
20 goals (all comps.) so many crucial goals, equalizers, winners.

2nd season:
12 goals (all comps.) Got a bad injury against Chelsea after being tackled by Cole. Welbeck added to the mix.

3rd season:
18 goals (all comps.) so many crucial goals, equalizers, winners again even while Rooney, RVP & Welbeck were ahead of him as options.

4th season:
9 goals (all comps.) Hardly ever played and who wasn't terrible under Moyes? You can't single him out.

5th season (Loan to RM):
9 goals (all comps.) Started playing till Benzema's injury. He ended up being well liked by the fans and they wanted him to stay. But that was never going to happen with Benzema there and Morata's return.

6th season (Leverkusen):
27 goals (all comps.) Terrible I guess.

So where do you get your 2 "good" out of 6 years with United?
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1st and 3rd season. It's quite obvious not sure what tripped you up? :confused:
 
MadMike said:
1st and 3rd season. It's quite obvious not sure what tripped you up? :confused:
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My bad, I didn't make myself clear.

It's only that you say 2 out of 6, when he only played 4 seasons for United. Should've been 2 out of 4 in that case.
 
arthurka said:
Would say the 6th would qualify as Ok...
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Yeah fair enough, but like I said in my comments he probably found his level at Leverkusen.

Mind you, this season he's not done very well and Leverkusen are I believe 12th in the Bundesliga. Though that's the whole team being crap so I wouldn't blame it on him, he's very decent at that level.
 
Goal every 2 games at Guadalajara and Leverkusen and a goal every 3 appearances for Utd and Real Madrid. I'd take that, and if Mourinho's flirting with him via the media then I think Mourinho wants him too. This could make a lot of sense for us with next season in mind, Hernandez filling gaps and periods where Zlatans out or needs a rest and Rashford can continue his growth while being rotated.

Only question would be whether Hernandez would accept being a bit part player again.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Goal every 2 games at Guadalajara and Leverkusen and a goal every 3 appearances for Utd and Real Madrid. I'd take that.
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Scored 6 goals in six games for Leverkusen including a hat trick, then went three months without scoring.
 
If we signed Hernandez we'd have him at 29 years old and Zlatan at 36. Backed by a 19 year old Rashford who wouldn't get a kick up front. We also know that Hernandez's game is seriously lacking in some departments.

After years of the centre forward position being a revolving door and a complete mess wouldn't you guys rather have this position properly sorted? A guy brought in who we can build around for the next five years during our ascent back to the very top?
 
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He left for regular football, and you think that he will want to come back to be a sub for Zlatan who rarely gets subbed?

And, did "fox in the box" kind of striker, ever play a big part in Jose's career, anytime? I just feel that Hernandez is anything but something that Jose will use in his squad.
 
Just watched his 'All the goals' on MUTV.

My, what would it be like to have someone like that now who is 'only a goalscorer'.
 
BigBebe said:
Just watched his 'All the goals' on MUTV.

My, what would it be like to have someone like that now who is 'only a goalscorer'.
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Well if we had him in the squad as an option off the bench in all those home draws. I'd say we would be at least 8-10 points better off than we are.
 
Anyone that wouldn't have Hernandez or someone like him as an option here is bananas. I'd have taken Defoe for the same reason. (Not next season for Defoe obviously).

5-10 starts a year. Masses of sub appearances. If he'd be happy with that little playing time of course he'd be good to have around. He's a clinical center forward that you could never build a team around. One dimensional and pretty much a single use instrument. But damn he knows where the net is.
 
MadMike said:
"He was better than some of the starters we've got now". The only starter we have in the striker position is Ibrahimovic, he's played 90" in 26 of our 29 league games. Hernandez is not better than Ibrahimovic. As for our other forwards, their positions have nothing to do with Hernandez. The fact that Martial or Mkhi have underperformed doesn't mean Hernandez would step in their positions as LW or #10/RW respectively. He can't play in those areas, no way.

He had 2 good seasons in 6 years us. And at that time the competition within EPL was not as high as it is now and we were managed by SAF. His 13/14 season (4 goals in 24 league apps) was disastrous, then he got little game time under LVG and he left to play for Real where he also failed to deliver (23apps, 7 goals) . So he eventually got shipped out to Bundesliga where he found his level at Leverkusen. Even there after a good first season he's now struggling in his 2nd (12goals in 32apps in all comps).

He was a likeable character which induces romantic views form the fans, but he's failed to consistently deliver at the top level here and at RM. Most coaches viewed him as a squad option. He's not the answer if we want to climb up the league table. He's not Costa, Sanchez, Aguero, Ibra level. Plus why do people think he'd be happy to be a squad player?
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He was even coming off the bench for Mexico at some point.
 
Yeah, he could do well back in Manchester United. Leverkusen is a mess right now and Mourinho seems to rate him from a long time so I wouldn't be surprised if he ended back in Manchester or any other Premier League team for that matter.
 
Bringing another experienced striker is a better idea because you don't threaten the confidence of the youngsters as much as when you bring someone in their prime. I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome Mbappe with open arms, but having Chicharito and even Zlatan for one more season might be enough to bridge the gap between when Rashford and Martial are finally ready.
 
Chicharito requires the perfect pass to get his goals and he wouldn't get many of those from our current squad. He was invisible in a lot of his games at United.
 
stevoc said:
Well if we had him in the squad as an option off the bench in all those home draws. I'd say we would be at least 8-10 points better off than we are.
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No doubt. I'd love to have him around.
 
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