Javier 'Chicharito' Hernandez | West Ham player (there's an open thread in football forum)

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We don't score enough goals, which isn't my fault because our players don't have killer instinct. Blame Van Gaal because he sold Hernandez...

I'm being playful, but there's an element of this in Mourinho's comments. Hernandez wasn't and still isn't good enough to command regular football at a top club. He's a fantastic squad option to have around the side, but there's a reason every single manager he's played under at both United and Madrid have concluded that he isn't good enough to start week in, week out. And don't suggest Ferguson; he bought van Persie because he quite rightly wanted more.

If we were to bring him back in a squad capacity then I'd be no doubt delighted.
 
People saying we need better aspirations than Hernandez like we didn't win the league and reach a CL final with him in the squad :wenger:
 
PepsiCola said:
People saying we need better aspirations than Hernandez like we didn't win the league and reach a CL final with him in the squad :wenger:
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What happened then wouldn't happen now. We had a near 40 year old Ryan Giggs in central midfield, too. And Alex Ferguson in charge. Football has moved on in six years.

It's a perfectly reasonable point to make. He's not good enough to lead the line for a top club. If he was he'd still be here banging them in, or at Madrd. We've got Ibrahimovic, who is better. Madrid had Benzema, who is better. Chelsea play Costa, who is better. City play Aguero. Juventus; Dybala. Bayern; Lewandowski. Dortmund; Aubameyang. Barcelona; Suarez. Spurs; Kane.

There's a pattern there, and they're all better players than Hernandez.
 
That ship has sailed. I dont think he would be happy to come back and warm our bench and rightly so when he is starting games
 
I think us going back in for Hernandez depends on one thing, and that's Champions League.

If we don't get Champions League, we're not going to attract the likes of Griezmann but we're still going to need a striker. Hernandez would probably crawl over broken glass to come back to United, regardless of where we're playing and we know he can score goals.

If we're not playing in the Champions League next season, it's players like him who can get us there to attract the elite we should be signing. I also don't see anything wrong with having him on the bench in a couple of seasons when we have some serious fire power up front.
 
I agree with Jose completely about what he said about Chica and thought exactly the same thing before that Chica would have easily got 20 goals or more this season . It seems Jose really admires him but that doesn't mean he'll return at all .

I actually think Chica's time here is up . He was a great bench player but now he's a starter in Leverkusen and he won't be happy to warm the bench again at 28 years old .

We should be aiming to get new strikers rather the digging in the old archives .
 
I can't help but think Jose is still trolling LvG about the players he let during those dark years. He's made a number of comments about his transfer dealings this season.
 
Why would anyone who had just turned 29 leave a mid-table German club to come play for Manchester United? It really is one of the great mysteries
 
StanleyCupboard said:
Why would anyone who had just turned 29 leave a mid-table German club to come play for Manchester United? It really is one of the great mysteries
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May I ask if you are seriously asking or sarcastic?

He may want to return because at 29, he rather be a sub (and start ~20 games a season) at a club like Manchester United than being with a mid-table German team that has almost no chance of winning any title.
 
He was never good enough to be a starter here in the place. I don't see why we should bring him back now.

If the talk is about bringing a mature striker to be an option for us, then I'd like that guy to be Dries Mertens. He's been sensational for Napoli at a much higher level than Chicharito. And because he's got a year left in his contract he'd be cheaper too.
 
While I don't think we should have sold him, his general play was never top drawer and I don't think we could really use him as any sort of replacement for Zlatan when he is out. He would be a great option off the bench, but how much would we have to pay for a bench player?
 
Reasonable. Chicharito is the type of player we're missing at the moment, pure natural goalscorer, the poacher. Since we've created ridiculous number of chances per game (but very bad-ugly finishing), theoretically Hernandez should be the final missing puzzle.

Plus, his age means Rashford, Martial and co could improves even further until they're ready to take and carry the mantle of being the main goals scorer, so it'll for sure be a good signing.

In addition, Chicharito would also wants to prove doubters wrong, so he'll be motivated. His signing would also threatens our current players especially the strikers to be more seriously ruthless, put more effort.

Thus, provided Chicha wants to return and doesn't mind being an important Squad Player, :drool:sign him back Jose!

Personally, I think it is also a psychology tactic using the media by Mourinho though for this season, to warn and motivate the specific players who fail to score enough goals this season. He did mention few players before this concerning that goals issue.

Also, I think Mourinho is serious in bringing in Chicharito, with or without Zlatan staying, for next season. So this is the first step in broadcasting his strong interest to Chicha to tempt him, albeit it's unusual for Mourinho to do this. But, it seems Mourinho highly rate players who are like Chicha, the specialist type who guarantees abundance of goals. He spoke of Chicha, brazillian Ronaldo, Muller, and Gabbiadini with admiration, so.. That and also Hernandez have scored a lot against Mourinho's Chelsea defense-dominating side could also be very memorable.

Good move Jose, Well done.
 
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...dez-would-solve-man-utds-goalscoring-problems
"We have some players that are not really players in love with the goal," he said. "They are good players, they are creative players, they can create, but naturally they are not the kind of guy that is a killer.

"I give you a simple example. In the way we play at Old Trafford, in the way we dominate opponents in the way we play in their box, I think Chicharito would have 20 goals easy. Even coming from the bench for the last 10 or 20 minutes, he will have 20 goals.

"He is a guy that naturally the ball comes, rebound here, rebounds there, boom - goal. The goalkeeper saves, he goes there, tap in - goal. The cross is coming, he anticipates the first post header - goal.
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:boring:Yeap. Missing puzzle piece.
 
Just my opinion but I think he'd rather come off the bench at United than start at a smaller club.
 
ovoxo said:
Why wouldn't he have turned those draws into wins? At least the he was making the runs that would get him on the end of those crosses. This is what we are sorely missing. Ibra doesn't really make that type of movement, whilst Martial and Rashford certainly are not doing it at the moment.

We need a striker with that ability to make those near post runs and to anticipate rebounds. Mourinho summed him up perfectly. It was a mistake for Van Gaal to sell him. Even if he didn't directly replace Ibra as a sub, he'd have replaced an attacker and played in his usual role. It's much better than using Fellaini up front with Ibra.
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He wouldnt play,simple. Yea like JM would give up his height guy for someone like Chicharito.
 
Would love to sign him, but only in tandem with another top forward. That's with Zlatan staying too.

I'm sure he would want regular games however and perhaps we can't gaurentee that. I'm warming to the idea of us signing a poacher-esque forward following Mourinho's comments. Don't have to be top level, but renowned for the clinical ability in front of goal.
 
el3mel said:
I agree with Jose completely about what he said about Chica and thought exactly the same thing before that Chica would have easily got 20 goals or more this season . It seems Jose really admires him but that doesn't mean he'll return at all .

I actually think Chica's time here is up . He was a great bench player but now he's a starter in Leverkusen and he won't be happy to warm the bench again at 28 years old .

We should be aiming to get new strikers rather the digging in the old archives .
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Damm I'm gonna have to google his age I keep reading he's 29 then 28.. Regardless he's younger than van persie was and isn't a type of player who is finished at 30 ..
 
Chekhov said:
If given a consistent 15-20 minutes per match, definitely. You can tell he loves this club and what it means to play for it.
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Can you? I remember he looked depressed in his final months with us. And rather than compete with Falcao for his place he went to Madrid instead. People act like LVG forced him out of the club against his will. I remember things differently.
 
R'hllor said:
He wouldnt play,simple. Yea like JM would give up his height guy for someone like Chicharito.
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If that was the case why would he talk about him? Why wouldn't he talk about Crouch then if he's only concerned about height?

Mourinho talks about what we're lacking at the moment and also fires a warning at our current bunch to try and do more to score. If he had someone of Hernandez's quality, then he would utilise him.
 
ManUtd1999 said:
May I ask if you are seriously asking or sarcastic?

He may want to return because at 29, he rather be a sub (and start ~20 games a season) at a club like Manchester United than being with a mid-table German team that has almost no chance of winning any title.
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Very sarcastic. Of course he'd come back
 
R'hllor said:
He wouldnt play,simple. Yea like JM would give up his height guy for someone like Chicharito.
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You think Hernadez wouldn't play enough to score for this United team, even though Mourinho literally just said he'd play enough to score 20 goals a season for this United team?
 
Hernandez left cause Van Gaal told him he had a 1% chance of playing over Rooney! NOT because he was used as a super sub

Sorry but this has to be said. Its amazing how many people get the story wrong. Hernandez was clearly told he wasn't wanted. So he did the honorable thing and left.
 
MadMike said:
He was never good enough to be a starter here in the place. I don't see why we should bring him back now.
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To be fair, we won the league in his first season with him starting most of our games.
 
When I heard Mourinho saying this in his press conference, I immediately thought that Griezmann is the one he's really thinking about. Just that he can't say his name - so instead he uses a player that used to play for United that he wouldn't have sold.
 
It was so nice of LvG to sell Hernandez, RvP, Nani, and Di Maria within 12 months. Really helpful.
 
Mourihno seems to like a lot since I remember he used to praise him, and even attempt to have him on loan, when he was the coach in Real Madrid. Still I don't know if he really is planning, or considering, on signing him back. I think he could be very useful for United given you guys rely too much on Zlatan scoring while the other options are too young, and inexperienced, or Rooney; but I also think he's just taking a dig at LVG highlighting how a bad job he did on getting rid on him in the first place.

Javier is very good at his role and while many underrated him or won't ever see him as a world class striker he would still be good for a club like United providing goals and experience because right now I think the there's a big gap between the striker options: they're either too young or too old, so Chicharito should have been the one in the middle helping to transition the younger strikers into the team.
 
Highly doubt this will happen. He won't want to return to be a squad player which is what he would be, and his all-round game is nowhere near good enough to be the main man up front for us.
 
tob said:
When I heard Mourinho saying this in his press conference, I immediately thought that Griezmann is the one he's really thinking about. Just that he can't say his name - so instead he uses a player that used to play for United that he wouldn't have sold.
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Now that's reaching ..
 
Jaybomb said:
You're wrong. LVG told him he would get no game time AT ALL... That's why he left. It was bizarre.

Chicharito is my second favourite United player of all time after Ronaldo. I'd be just delighted to see him back.
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of all time? Man, we are different
 
Rossa said:
Fellaini doesn't really score many with his head. I'd wager that Hernandez would score many more just with his head.
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Why you telling me that,its not me who is picking Fellaini to be part of midfield duo and besides,JM doesnt pick Fellaini to score goals,more like defensive side. We all know that in last 15 min. he will always pick afroman from the bench
 
walkinhop said:
of all time? Man, we are different
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I started following United in 2002. My greatest ever list is a lot different to my own personal favourites list. My favourites list would include the likes of Chicharito, Falcao and Mata. Although I know they would be a bit off the mark on a greatest ever list.
 
Hernandez misses just as many sitters as Zlatan does
 
Kag said:
We don't score enough goals, which isn't my fault because our players don't have killer instinct. Blame Van Gaal because he sold Hernandez...

I'm being playful, but there's an element of this in Mourinho's comments. Hernandez wasn't and still isn't good enough to command regular football at a top club. He's a fantastic squad option to have around the side, but there's a reason every single manager he's played under at both United and Madrid have concluded that he isn't good enough to start week in, week out. And don't suggest Ferguson; he bought van Persie because he quite rightly wanted more.

If we were to bring him back in a squad capacity then I'd be no doubt delighted.
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It's like a veiled criticism at his current attackers and the former manager at once, which can be concealed somewhat easily. A Mourinho special, if you will.
 
Kag said:
What happened then wouldn't happen now. We had a near 40 year old Ryan Giggs in central midfield, too. And Alex Ferguson in charge. Football has moved on in six years.

It's a perfectly reasonable point to make. He's not good enough to lead the line for a top club. If he was he'd still be here banging them in, or at Madrd. We've got Ibrahimovic, who is better. Madrid had Benzema, who is better. Chelsea play Costa, who is better. City play Aguero. Juventus; Dybala. Bayern; Lewandowski. Dortmund; Aubameyang. Barcelona; Suarez. Spurs; Kane.

There's a pattern there, and they're all better players than Hernandez.
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It seems you don't read the Madrid forums. They cried for Chichas departure because they rate him above Benzema. They also say that the problem with Hernandez was because Florentino wants the BBC to play every game
 
MadMike said:
He was never good enough to be a starter here in the place. I don't see why we should bring him back now.

If the talk is about bringing a mature striker to be an option for us, then I'd like that guy to be Dries Mertens. He's been sensational for Napoli at a much higher level than Chicharito. And because he's got a year left in his contract he'd be cheaper too.
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He was better than some of the starters we've got now - and was our leading goalscorer in his first season, so how do you reach that conclusion anyway. When he played regularly, he delivered, but he's now judged on inconsistency which was down to playing inconsistently. He was, and is, a goalscorer, as he proved with B.L.
 
Gerardo Islas said:
It seems you don't read the Madrid forums. They cried for Chichas departure because they rate him above Benzema. They also say that the problem with Hernandez was because Florentino wants the BBC to play every game
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One of Hernandez's great accomplishments is turning the Madridistas' opinions about him around during the season he spent on loan there.

When he got there, most of the talk was that he had been signed because Perez didn't want any new striker to truly threaten Benzema's #9 spot. To say that he wasn't taken seriously is to make a huge understatement.

But by April, they were cursing Ancelloti for starting Karim over him in the CL semifinal against Juventus, which Real ended up losing.

It's a great testament to Cheech's work ethic and production on the pitch that he's so well regarded by most United and Real followers, perhaps the two most spoiled and hard to please fan bases on the planet, if we can be quite honest.
 
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