Javier 'Chicharito' Hernandez | West Ham player (there's an open thread in football forum)
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Doesn't seem like a Mourinho striker really. Lovely to have him on the bench but the issue I'd have with it is I don't think he'd get enough minutes to stay sharp, which he suffered from once Fergie left.
I wasn't even thinking as far as those unlikely ideas. More that a lot of posters here seem to want any eventual Zlatan replacement to be well rounded enough to improve our general play, whereas Mou seems to be happy with a CF who does little bar score goals.
I like Chicharito, but I'm not a fan of him as a player. Have the impression his conversion rate plummeted in Ferguson's last season and has been in a state of recovery ever since. I would bring him back for Chelsea games though.
Yup. Someone like Icardi could make sense for a long-term target.
At Porto, yeah? 13 years is a long time in football.
His conversion rate was at its best that season. He only started 9 league games, yet scored 10 goals!
Also, he was one of the best players in Germany last season. The most prolific of his career; 26 goals.
I thought selling Hernandez was the right decision at the time but I can see how bringing him back could make sense from Mourinho's point of view. He's entering the final year of his contract at Leverkusen, was a pretty reliable finisher and would be content playing second fiddle to Ibrahimovic.
It wouldn't be an ideal scenario but maybe preferable to breaking the bank for someone who doesn't fit our system for the sake of a few goals.
It wouldn't be an ideal scenario but maybe preferable to breaking the bank for someone who doesn't fit our system for the sake of a few goals.
I meant in terms of big-chances converted, but I may be wrong anyway. Nice for him if he does well, but I wouldn't bother.
Well A system is developed on a strenghts and weaknesses of the players and the squad so you never know. Pogba in a 2 man midfield is a disaster
Rashford is not even being closed to utilized right to be be mentioned next to a striker.
If Jose does really buy hernandez to become our 2nd striker; I can guarantee the guy will struggle after winning an odd title.
The Chelsea goal a minute in that won us the title is one of my favourite united memories.
And Ji Sung Park playing like a demon.
And Ji Sung Park playing like a demon.
Is this what you had in mind?
It was
Shame I had to quote the man who got rid of Chicha.His team has been awful. Unsurprisingly he's scoring a goal every 160 minutes for a team that sacked their manager. He scores goals no matter what. You can't teach that.
He's not good enough. And he doesn't want to play a bench role, so pointless.
What you are hearing is poor management. If jose is genuinely thinking of buying Hernandez - he is assuming that since the half the team can keep possession that sticking any sort of finisher upfront will lead to goals.
Hernandez is exactly what we've been lacking this season. Movement inside and around the box and someone to get on the end of those passes. Rashford and Martial have failed miserably doing that this season.
Imagine all the games where we'd hame him up front instead of Fellaini. So many draws would have been prevented.
I've lost count of the number of times I've thought of Hernandez when watching our games this season. I would love to bring him back if possible.
Bring him back.
How do you reckon Hernandez would do on the wings? Any better? What about playing Hernandez all season on the wing and giving him 2 chances upfront?
Hernandez does not add anything that we dont have with ibrahimovic. If playing like this is going to be our Plan A and B - I wonder if fans are making Jose's job as easy as possible as a way of hoping to see some instantaneous results.
It wasn't misplaced faith in Rooney at all. It was misplaced faith in his own philosophy that strikers 'standing up front only, having a handful of touches and staying within the width of the goals'. Look at the strikers that left, all dynamic strikers of varying roles and abilities. You could blame it entirely on Rooney being "shite" but every week Van Gaal would come out and defend him saying "he is doing what I want him to do". The big tell on the situation is that statement.
Essentially if you didn't stand still and barely contributed the way he wanted you to then you were jettisoned. It was only until the "my senior players came to me and said Boss things are flat" that he started to loosen his system up, in the new year I believe it was. He then continued to run through a whole raft of players and stumbled on Rashford when there was basically no other options apart from play a CB/GK there or an uncapped 18yo. I mean, he himself even criticized Rashford on his debut in the post match saying "I said at half time, you move around to much, if you stay still and up front you will score and he scored." He then even further through the season dropped Rashford for the Norwich game citing "he is tired and mentally you will wander around too much from your position if you are tired".
So essentially if you didn't adhere to his philosophy of playing up front having as few touches as possible and staying in front of the CB's within the width of the goals you were bummed out of the club. Who else is better to fulfil that kind of role? Rooney. "My captain shall alwaysh play" (even though he was playing in midfield/10 for most of his first season in the 3-5-2 and toward the end of the second season Rooney was playing mainly in midfield under Van Gaal.) It was his own stubborn stupidity in the end, more than one particular player. The man-management was absolutely all over the bloody place, a massive error.
Back on the topic of Chicharito, it was a colossal short term planning mistake to get rid of him. He was a man management wet dream and would have stayed if asked, but if the boss says "you have a 1% chance of playing, so I suggest you leave" you're probably going to leave and give a nice big up yours on the way out.
Miss him immensely to be honest.
Dont act like you know anything about LVG because you have clearly only seen what you saw with your eyes.
I saw with my eyes, how poetically theological. Similarly, I heard with my ears, spoke with my mouth, typed with my fingers and felt the sting of abhorrent football with my soul.
Dont act like you know anything about LVG because you have clearly only seen what you saw with your eyes.
Yet you didnt think much. Whether LVG is gone or not - have you noticed that the whole team even with new recruits can hold possession against even our rivals? Once you learn how to keep the ball within a team; playing long ball tactics or playing strikers like hernandez becomes a conflict of ideas and not getting the best out of a team that has a significant advantage over everybody else - having more of the ball.
If Ibrahimovic wasnt here - I would be all up for Hernandez; but pretending to think that Hernandez offers something different to Ibrahimovic is just utter nonsense.
Jose is showing signs of his inability to adapt to a team geared to play in a fluent way and would rather play a game of tennis on the football pitch when the Premiere league has moved on so far ahead of that type of tactic. He needs to understand the advantages he has of managing the current squad and recognize its weaknesses. To think that Hernandez is some sort of cure for a weakness when we already have a Focal target man is bizzare.
We are now a team that opposition from top to bottom respect as a group of players that can out outmaneuver the ball by keeping possession & they are likewise geared by more players as defenders. The last thing that will work is more target men and poachers.
Word on the street is he's headed to LAFC next Spring.
feck it, lets go the whole way and break the transfer record again to bring him back!
But seriously, I wouldn't be too excited about it but it could definitely turn out a good move.
But seriously, I wouldn't be too excited about it but it could definitely turn out a good move.
Has a year left on his current deal, so won't be too costly.
At this point is he really good enough? 10 Bundesliga goals in 23 appearances, but he had a huge barren spell during the season, totalling 15(!) games:He's also currently on a 6 game goalless streak.
He'll fit right into our current set of misfiring attackers.
Martial, Rashford, Miki and then Chicharito....all seeing who can go the longest without scoring a goal.
We need lethal finishers and I feel that Chicharito will merely increase the number of non-scoring attackers in our team.
Dont act like you know anything about LVG because you have clearly only seen what you saw with your eyes.
I supposed in your opinion LVG gave us the foundation to become the next Barcelona?
I never a big fans of pure poacher like Hernandez. However, a poacher like Hernandez has also a lot of things to offer depends on how we play. if we look at Rashford and Martial this season, they tend to make crosses to our six yard boxes, and every time we make those crosses there is no one waiting in the six yard boxes. Hernandez loves scoring those tap in goals, and I think bring him back in will be a good decision.
And the more I think about it again, he's pretty similar to Milito which makes me think he will be ideal in Jose's system.
And the more I think about it again, he's pretty similar to Milito which makes me think he will be ideal in Jose's system.
^This^, for me.
I supposed in your opinion LVG gave us the foundation to become the next Barcelona?
Football has really gotten confusing for some. You going to tell me all this possession is down to Jose
if not then yes there is a foundation in place.I know Jose's strong points and I know some of his weaknesses. It's a shame you cannot see whats right in front of your eyes/ the benefits of the LVG period ( a team still managing to hold on to possession after that manager is gone; but no - that's all Jose's hard work after a couple of months!!! Hilarious.
Anyway; Jose cannot un-teach us to keep possession. Possession is not a tactic; it is a habit of the players and this will stay a long time with us. Having the ball at our feet means the game is in our hands and any manager that does not utilize that is shooting themselves literally in the foot. Teams are literally playing us with 11 defenders and showing us respect all because we can hold on to the ball.
If you and whoever else thinks a player like Hernandez is the missing piece of the puzzle to unlock these defenses of 11 men- then fair enough. That's your opinion.
You can laugh all you want at me because I noticed links between the way LVG's previous clubs played and ours now. I'l just sit here knowing that if we ever end up playing the likes of Barcelona and Bayern - some of the fans put their hope on players like Hernandez to get us to the epitome of football.
"He (Van Gaal) began building this historic Barca side, which I have been privileged to be part of," Valdes - upon his arrival to United.
Surely he is a liar.
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Personal don't want him back. Not going to improve the starting 11 and will hinder the development of Martial & Rashford.
Jose please sign him!
Can we have Kagawa back too?
This argument that x player wouldnt start for any of the top 6 has always been weird to me. So what? I wouldn't start Busquets or Isco, but Barca and Madrid are better teams than us right now
The few times I've watched him since he left, I've seen that he's definitely improved other parts of his game. When he was with us, he was literally just a goalscorer/poacher and didn't offer anything else at all. I think he'd be a great squad player to have back for sure.
I'd obviously love him to be back, but if I were Chicharito I would not come back. We wouldn't be able to guarantee a starting spot for him and what's important for him is to be the main man at a team because his talent deserves it.
He'd be perfect to bring on while chasing goals. If he's happy with that role, let's get him.
You think Ibrahimovic and Hernandez are similar players? How about Messi and Peter Crouch?
Coming back to the thread there is no chance United will sign Hernandez and nothing Jose has said suggests he wants to. He is just saying that United lack a natural goal scorer and they clearly do.
There isn't a single player in the United squad whose best quality is scoring goals. Even Ibra is a better link player than goalscorer.
I agree. Chicharito shouldn't come back to warm the bench again especially when he starts regularly for Bayer. But I think Belotti seems to be in the same mold but tougher and could be built for the PL.
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