might be the game plan but not until we actually hear speculation/rumors of clubs being interested in either player
Jarrad Branthwaite
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Agree completely. I don't know if it's because people are scared of the last expensive English CB we signed, or if people just haven't watched him at all and just think he's a big lumbering CB that we are getting ripped off for. But either way this guy is one of the better young CB prospects in the sport, and an absolute beast physically (and yes he has good pace).
I don't want to spend 70m and cave to Everton, but 55m is fair for this guy's potential when you also add in the PL+homegrown English tax.
PL transfers are always over priced. West Ham spent 40 million on Kilman who is 27 year old CB, so can't see these 50 million bids getting accepted. It will be huge fee.
Seems like this is the potential transfer people here think least, of which makes me wary given he’s a pretty well known PL player.
I just hope a big outlay on this player doesn’t hinder us in adding another midfielder (playmaker) and attacker (winger) aside from Ugarte and Zirkzee.
I just hope a big outlay on this player doesn’t hinder us in adding another midfielder (playmaker) and attacker (winger) aside from Ugarte and Zirkzee.
To be fair this reason enough for some to not want him. British and they’ve actually seen him play? No thank you.
True. The issue is that I barely see anyone here that rates him highly and I’m just going by other’s inputs as the clips don’t look great either. Hope we know what we’re doing.
I think he’s got a lot of potential, but anything over 50m, right now with all our other issues just doesn’t seem like wise businesses
"#EFC see Maguire, Fofana, Gvardiol as pricing benchmarks"
Oh they can eat a bag of salted d*cks. In what universe does a 2019 transfer for a 26 year old full international CB have any bearing whatsoever on a 2024 bid for a completely unproven 22 year old with one good season under his belt?
If they take the Maguire transfer at face value they should be scrambling to give us Branthwaite + £10 mil for him.
So we’re after 2 CBs a ST and a DM. We could get another decent CB for 45m.
Don’t forget a LB 5 new additions looks like a good start.
Completely agree.
I think this will get done at 60m, 50 + 10 add ons.
Ruud probably lay out the pro arguments for Brainwaith on his first day
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Also, I find it funny though that Everton is using Maguire, Fofana and Gvardiol as benchmark
2 was massively overpriced, and 1 is an in-his-prime player who just had a good tournament. And even he was a little bit overpriced IMO
Ruud probably lay out the pro arguments for Brainwaith on his first day
.Also, I find it funny though that Everton is using Maguire, Fofana and Gvardiol as benchmark
2 was massively overpriced, and 1 is an in-his-prime player who just had a good tournament. And even he was a little bit overpriced IMO
Looking at Turkish one
Can't say I watched much of Everton last season but he was absolutely shite against us.
Agreed. But do you not think signing 2 CBs means he may use Martinez, Branthwaite as a cover LB similar to how city use Ake? It gets 2 signings in 1. I don’t see either new CB being happy to be on the bench and Martinez should be first choice when fit. Also i would put a RW high up on the priority list, we have no goalscoring threat or creativity from wide areas and especially since we’re selling sancho and greenwood.
Can we stop going for clearly overpriced targets? If they don't want to accept 50 mil then move on.
just having fit players will be an great start. Competition for places etc.. we all know what happened last season, not using it as an excuse obviously but I do find it players gets really casual if they know they will start with no one trying to get their spot. However we will want to play this season, having players that can play in different positions will benefit the team greatly. That Turkish lad we in for looks like can play lots of positions as well.
I don’t think we should be going above that, focus elsewhere if they genuinely want £70m
Coincidence with Ruud coming in the same days second bid goes in?
I hope the new management shows resolve and moves on if Everton doesn't budge. Going beyond 50M will be going back into Woody and Murtough levels of over-payment.
I’d rather we went for Guehi - appears cheaper and is very solid.
Everton think this is Utd of old - we should just move on especially if there is zero encouragement.
Everton think this is Utd of old - we should just move on especially if there is zero encouragement.
There's no way anyone at the club is actually expecting Everton to entertain that offer, so I'm not sure what it is we're doing here.
This seems more like a PR ploy by INEOS, the more I think about it. Try to bid well under what a club is demanding for their English Homegrown player to put more context for the bids being planned in the future. It's obvious Branthwaite isn't worth the fee being asked for by Everton, but they have all the right to hold their own.
Who are our home grown players currently?
United HG: Rashford, McT, Heaton, Garnacho, (Mainoo), Amad (?), (Kambwala), Evans, Mejbri
English league HG: Sancho, Maguire, Shaw, Wan Bissaka
Have I missed any?
It's quite likely that 3 of the 4 from the 2nd list will be off this year or next, and possible that Rashford, McT, Heaton, Evans, Mejbri leave in the same timeframe. I assume we'll therefore want to keep Kambwala around which would give us 3+ United HG still and then Shaw most likely from the English HG. Is 5 the right number in total? The penalty is you lose an over age squad place from your 25 for every home grown player you don't have right?
We've obviously got the likes of Amass and the various CMs coming through as well but they won't be 21+ for a while so don't really factor I guess. I guess Mainoo probably has 2 years before we need to worry about his home grown status too, though maybe it's not a big problem as we certainly won't need to register an extra squad place since he will be in the first team for sure. Maybe a 24 man squad is fine at that point.
Certainly bringing Branthwaite in wouldn't hurt from a HG perspective though would it? You never know whether e.g. Amad will want to leave at some point if he doesn't break through as first choice and we don't want to have to rely on kids if they're not ready yet. Can't imagine it's the dominant factor in our thinking though, probably a lot more to do with his two footedness and physicality giving us options for our CB partnerships and tactics.
United HG: Rashford, McT, Heaton, Garnacho, (Mainoo), Amad (?), (Kambwala), Evans, Mejbri
English league HG: Sancho, Maguire, Shaw, Wan Bissaka
Have I missed any?
It's quite likely that 3 of the 4 from the 2nd list will be off this year or next, and possible that Rashford, McT, Heaton, Evans, Mejbri leave in the same timeframe. I assume we'll therefore want to keep Kambwala around which would give us 3+ United HG still and then Shaw most likely from the English HG. Is 5 the right number in total? The penalty is you lose an over age squad place from your 25 for every home grown player you don't have right?
We've obviously got the likes of Amass and the various CMs coming through as well but they won't be 21+ for a while so don't really factor I guess. I guess Mainoo probably has 2 years before we need to worry about his home grown status too, though maybe it's not a big problem as we certainly won't need to register an extra squad place since he will be in the first team for sure. Maybe a 24 man squad is fine at that point.
Certainly bringing Branthwaite in wouldn't hurt from a HG perspective though would it? You never know whether e.g. Amad will want to leave at some point if he doesn't break through as first choice and we don't want to have to rely on kids if they're not ready yet. Can't imagine it's the dominant factor in our thinking though, probably a lot more to do with his two footedness and physicality giving us options for our CB partnerships and tactics.
Has anyone suggested we "walk away" yet?
Pallister was a record signing back in the day, I'm sure Ferdinand was as well for a centre half....Maguire cost a few quid.....If United want this chap then just pay up as they have always done. Everton don't want to sell him, hence the high price tag, so if they do lose him they have some cash to spend elsewhere
you missed Mount, we need 8 HG in the squad so we should be alright there, even if we sell the likes of Maguire & Mct, we'd still have enough.
Please walk away united. Hes just not worth it
To be fair, I think he stays as well. But I do think he wants it and is probably a little unsettled.
Get in to his people’s ear to have him pressure Everton into accepting a bid by telling them he wants the move - then cum in hard with an offer of £55m plus £10m in add ons and this will get done.
You have to pay good money for English potential and this is a reasonable offer for both sides.
You have to pay good money for English potential and this is a reasonable offer for both sides.
We clearly want the LCB to be the ball player, that feeds the midfield and attack.
The RCBs will be De Ligt and Varane types, good in the air and reasonable with the feet ala vidic.
I'm hoping there's a ball playing LCB at a cheaper price than what Everton want for Branthwaite but the English tax and us wanting a homegrown players is probs why we haven't yet moved on. I'd suggest 60m will be the final bid. See if it's accepted. I'd rather we signed someone else but see what the new recruitment guys can do.
The RCBs will be De Ligt and Varane types, good in the air and reasonable with the feet ala vidic.
I'm hoping there's a ball playing LCB at a cheaper price than what Everton want for Branthwaite but the English tax and us wanting a homegrown players is probs why we haven't yet moved on. I'd suggest 60m will be the final bid. See if it's accepted. I'd rather we signed someone else but see what the new recruitment guys can do.
For the purposes of UEFA, I think it's McTominay*, Mount, Shaw*, Rashford*, Wan-Bissaka, Heaton*, Evans*, Maguire, Hannibal*, and Amad, with asterisked having trained 3 years for us between the ages of 15 and 21 (ie; HG at club). So that's ten players overall.
You get a 25-player squad but 8 have to be HG, of which 4 have to be HG at club.
With the PL, I think it's easier to just see it as you get up to 17 foreign players over the age of 21, so usually easy peasy. In both cases players under 21 are pretty much freebies, hence not counting Kobbie or Kambwala.
If Heaton and Evans were to retire and we were to then sell Wan-Bissaka, for instance, we'd need an HG player if we wanted to make up the full 25-man limit.
Oh ok so we could be pretty tight then in a couple of years' time depending on which players leave. Kambwala would become United trained if he were still here and yeah I forgot about Mount so that obviously helps but we could in theory be down to Kambwala, Garnacho, Amad/Rashford (I assume at least one would stay), Shaw (I thought he was 19 when he signed for us? Is it inclusive of 21? So would Dalot count?) and Mount. Obviously if McT and Maguire stayed plus both of Amad and Rashford then it becomes easier. Or we just sack it off and play the youngsters coming through, we've a lot of good ones, maybe it's worth the risk.
It’s only wasting time if it’s impeding our other targets which it doesn’t seem to be.
As stated earlier in the thread I think we are using Everton to tell the world we won’t be paying ludicrous fees.
I think we are getting close to our limit for the player this summer. I hope we try one last time for £55m and move on if Everton reject that too.
He would be a great signing, but not one we cannot afford to miss out on. There's also always next summer to come back in for him.
He would be a great signing, but not one we cannot afford to miss out on. There's also always next summer to come back in for him.
Shaw was 18 when we signed him, it goes to the season during which the player has their 21st birthday, and Dalot doesn't count. If you want the full details of it all it's under Article 31 of this.
There's nothing wrong with having empty slots and I'm pretty sure a lot of teams do, but yeah for the club trained quota, you kind of just have to hope more kids keep coming through.
We should keep bidding a bit more. Unsettle the player. Hopefully Branthwaite asks to leave as well.
Even if it doesn't happen this summer, we will have laid out the foundations for him to eventually make the move in the future.
Even if it doesn't happen this summer, we will have laid out the foundations for him to eventually make the move in the future.
The replies you've been getting to this are some of the strangest I've seen. Really fascinating.
De Ligt 43M (£), Branthwaite 60M? There really is no value available in EPL. Even smaller and middle table clubs has money to say no. We should be aiming to continental Europe. Players there are easily 20-30% cheaper, if not more.